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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:46 Grettin wrote: But how many sponsors would be happy to hear that they would need to sponsor more money because of multiple streams. For companies like Intel and Sony Ericsson, money is not the issue, getting as many eyes as possible on their logo and products is the only issue really. | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:38 Demonace34 wrote: Why post this junk? People who aren't able to stay up til 3 or 4 in the morning don't have this luxury of trying out of free stream. So they either have to bite the bullet and buy something for 10 bucks that they don't know if they will like, or not watch it at all and miss out on the casting archon that is Tastosis and not subscribe for VODs or the "HQ Restream" they could get with it. But you do have the luxury of trying it out. GOM makes the first VOD of each set freely available to anyone who wants to get a taste of the GSL and decide whether to purchase a ticket. They already do an excellent job of letting people in all timezones get a feel for what the GSL is all about. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:50 Dhalphir wrote: so in your situation the VODs would be perfect and all you'd get out of the restream is not having to pay. @OP: I agree with you that from a business perspective, a free restream may well be a good idea for GOM to increase their viewership. But people need to stop pretending on any sort of individual level that they want this for any other reason than its a free restream so they don't have to pay for VODs. There's no other benefit to an individual person from a free restream. Some people actually aren't always out for themselves. I want to see Esports grow, and a restream would get more gamers attention in the west. Honestly, it isn't hard to fall for Tasteless and Artosis amazing commentary only after a couple of viewings. Day9 is an individual, but guess what, he does it for the community because he LOVES Esports. He loves this game and the people who make Starcraft II possible. | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:50 Dhalphir wrote: ... But people need to stop pretending on any sort of individual level that they want this for any other reason than its a free restream so they don't have to pay for VODs. There's no other benefit to an individual person from a free restream. Are you serious? My first reaction was "This is a good idea for more people to watch an official stream of the best SC2 esport program AND Gomtv gets more viewer numbers for their sponsors" If people really wanted FREE Vods they can get it with little to no effort with a google search, just like their mp3's and porn, not argue for a restream. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:55 Jumbled wrote: But you do have the luxury of trying it out. GOM makes the first VOD of each set freely available to anyone who wants to get a taste of the GSL and decide whether to purchase a ticket. They already do an excellent job of letting people in all timezones get a feel for what the GSL is all about. I cant speak for anyone else but the vods just lack something telling someone to tune in and watch, versus watching a single game is a bit different. I can't explain it but there is a definite magic missing with watching the first set of a series or vods in general versus a singular broadcast. Maybe some people felt it during the "clash of the titans" match. Also it lets them " directly compete" against basically every tournament/event in NA/EU, which alone is worth it. It seems like a smart move to me. | ||
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
It's the passion for SC2 gosuness that makes people wake-up/stay-up in awkward hours. It's also quite often that I get to stay up all night in a coffee marathon, watching Live On 3, or/and Day[J] Daily or/and State of The Game. Whenever I can't watch them live, I simply stay the fuck out of TL.net, so that I don't get spoiled. I watch the VODs first, then hop in here to read all the comments. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:55 Jumbled wrote: But you do have the luxury of trying it out. GOM makes the first VOD of each set freely available to anyone who wants to get a taste of the GSL and decide whether to purchase a ticket. They already do an excellent job of letting people in all timezones get a feel for what the GSL is all about. Watching a 1 game VOD isn't the same, I think anyone who has tried to watch 1 VOD at a time, realizes that it doesn't give you the feeling like 1 whole set would give you. Just like if you watched the beginning of a movie, got the character details but then it gets cut off after the first big battle. That is more frustrating than it is encouraging to buy the 10 dollar ticket. You want to get people hooked? All you have to do is the restream, then not do a restream of the finals and make it 5 bucks to watch the finals. Maybe even say 15 bucks to watch the finals and buy the next season ticket. BOOM. Deal done, and people are hooked. | ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
GSL doesn't have serious competition for me atm. It's got the best players, great casters and a genuine effort to get better with every series. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 23 2011 18:01 Subversive wrote: The production values that Gom is putting in are easily worth the cost of the ticket. Agreed, and I would still buy said ticket even with restreams. The SQ to HQ stream difference is pretty major. Would they reap more by offering more streams at different hours and with an increased audience, attract more money in sponsorship than they lose in ticket sales? Unclear. GOM is probably looking at all the ways of marketing their product and the costs/risks and rewards involved in each scenario. It's not a bad idea what you're suggesting, but it might be something they can afford to do in the future, not right now. Also, there's no guarantee of a massive surge in viewers. I think the people who are even vaguely interested in sc2 are already watching. The Youtube community says you are wrong. Jinro vs. MC GSL III Semi Finals VOD from December: 193,000 views. 2 Random Psy Starcraft Videos that are 2 weeks old each (just so ppl could not bitch about me using HDH as an example): 180,000 views. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 23 2011 18:11 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Agreed, and I would still buy said ticket even with restreams. The SQ to HQ stream difference is pretty major. The Youtube community says you are wrong. Jinro vs. MC GSL III Semi Finals VOD from December: 193,000 views. 2 Random Psy Starcraft Videos that are 2 weeks old each (just so ppl could not bitch about me using HDH as an example): 180,000 views. Well what we still don't know is what their current income is and plans for the future. They don't even need a restream at that, just make vods free. But it's their decision *shrugs* so unless they're incompetent I guess they feel at the moment, pay to view is the way to go. The same argument could be made for anything that's pay per view. I'd watch cable if I didn't have to pay for it. They could put ads in, have sponsors, wouldn't bother me. | ||
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jester-
Canada547 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 23 2011 18:20 jester- wrote: GSL is live here at 4:00 AM and really screws my life up I like watching things live too, and as it's on at 5-8pm here in Aus, I can. But sometimes I go out :p. In those cases, I just watch the vods. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Falling
Canada11477 Posts
The main thing is- nobody but hardcore SC players are going to watch SC at 2-5am in the morning. Nobody, but hardcore SC players with money are going to pay for the vods. That cuts out most SC players, nevermind most people that might want to stumble into the proleague scene to see what it's about. A restream at Euro and NAm times would help increase the viewership base. It may never move beyond a niche audience, but it can expand its scope. I can however, see that GOMtv would be hesitant to do such thing. Theoretically, there could be long term benefits, but that's in theory. It could be quite possible that it never pays for itself- unless they can find international companies that want to advertise in those breaks. However, for some reason, GOMtv classic vods were all free, SC2 vods are not all free... But the main point stands to all those saying- just buy the vods if you don't like the time. Or if you don't have the money, watch it live. Yes, and yes- but you're just preaching to the choir. The op's point was to expand beyond the choir. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
so they wont do it. (i cant see gom being completely sponsored anytime soon, in that case ofc it would be the logical option (to let everybody watch the advertisments on stream). as long as nerd say "i pay for every bit of content" theres no reason for getting paid by advertisments) | ||
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ElFoggero
Germany3 Posts
However, the live stream is the way to get the games as early as possible, you're not going to be spoilered and you can watch the games as they happen. A restream gives you none of that. I would like, however, for gomtv to implement a continous playing mode for the vods. Just let all the vods play one after the other, without having to get up and click on the set buttons. That would recreate the live experience as close as possible with minimum effort. TLDR: Restream not necessary, enable vods to play continously. | ||
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
"too bad artosis is sick today" as tasteless says. I sort of keep covering my face a little bit whilst watching just out of embarrassment :S. Is it confirmed now that moletrap is coming in full time? | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 23 2011 20:53 Scrimpton wrote: It doesnt matter when tasteless keeps getting iterrupted by things that i have to really put effort into understanding, and then im just bored when i can understand them "too bad artosis is sick today" as tasteless says. I sort of keep covering my face a little bit whilst watching just out of embarrassment :S. Is it confirmed now that moletrap is coming in full time? Completely off-topic, it's almost like you're responding in the wrong thread but I know you're not. Keep your bitching to yourself. | ||
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