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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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Gospadin
United States84 Posts
(~40 sets in the group phase with ~5 sets/8 groups) + (2.5 sets*8 for the Ro16) + (2.5 sets*4 for Ro8) + (~4 sets*2 for Ro4) + (~5 sets for the finals) Adds up to about 85 sets for $10. At an average of ~12 minutes/each, that's about 1000 minutes of matches, roughly 18 hours worth. And that's just for Code S, you also get Code A for free, with about as many sets. Seriously, there's no other entertainment like this for the price. Each season, I spend about a nickel per hour watching the GSL. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
For example, my friend is in the military ROTC and he has to get of for PT in the morning at 5ish and can't watch the actual live stream. If it gets rebroadcast around prime-time in the states, he would be able to get a bite to eat and get the same excitement of a smooth whole cast, even with the breaks where GOM could easily add in a ton of advertisements. After I tell most people about Starcraft 2, they are intrigued, but not intrigued enough to stay up til 3 a.m. to sample a full broadcast or to just blindly throw 10 dollars at it. I don't see why so many people are against having more people watch Starcraft 2 and get the exposure out there for such a great game. Most people who are arguing against a restream act like people are not going to buy the ticket for the VODs or that everyone is way too lazy to just click each VOD. The case being made here is wider E sports recognition at little cost to put up a full broadcast where people still have the chance to see what Starcraft 2 played at the highest level looks like. NASL is actually doing the restream for Europe and will be credited more in helping out with E-sports globally by doing so. I am actually looking forward to all the tournaments in the west, and I see a real breakthrough happening this year with E-sports. Day 9, Incontrol and a ton of other people who organize and help popularize tournaments KNOW this is the year of Starcraft 2. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:38 Schnake wrote: Seriously, that is what the VODs are for. You can watch "live", so to speak, at any point in time you wish to do so. Not even remotely close for me personally as a total GSL fan. Opening up each and every game just breaks the flow so much for me. With a restream I can open my GOM player and do nothing else. Literally, nothing. That feels MUCH more live to me. This really is for me (and I believe the OP) more about making the GSL feel truly as live as can be in America, and providing a presentation that VOD's never ever will for me. This will leak back a bit into the free stream as more people will watch it because it's at a sane time, but that's again a good thing. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:26 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Ease of use. I like clicking "go live" and nothing else instead of 20 seconds of stupid stuff in between each game and vod buffering. Then I always skip the intro and end up going to far trying to find the game start and have to click back and forth to find it. Also it would open up the doors of a top level esports production that is really in a league of it's own for SC2 (nothing against MLG or ESL, GOM does SCII spot on). See my post above, I really think it would help both SCII and GOM doing so. I agree that it would be nice to just press one button and then watch the full gsl without loading each individual VOD. But I don't know if this has to be a fixed restream or if it would be possible as an alternative mode to watch the VODs. Advantage of the second version would be that you don't have to watch the GSL at a specific time every day. | ||
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sh4w
United States713 Posts
The HQ VODs are actually way better than the HQ streaming quality, I ALMOST prefer to watch it via VODs, but the live feel just really does it for me. As for a re-stream, if its not live, why would you want to watch it in streaming quality. I know you just want to hit one button, but that is just sheer laziness. I'm pretty sure ANYONE can afford 10 dollars for a season ticket, and this season you get more content than ever. It just doesn't make any sense to re-stream when you have such an easy, cheap, and viable option. Edit: I do however agree that being able to watch a day's events straight through in 1 shot sounds like a good option | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Voted No. It's a chepa price to pay at like what, 20 cents a day over the course of a year, to pay for HD/VOD access. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:38 Gospadin wrote: Seriously, there's no other entertainment like this for the price. Each season, I spend about a nickel per hour watching the GSL. And you never ever were disappointed by a boring game which "wasted" your time? That is one of the issues I have with "asking us" to pay for VODs ... they can not promise that the things they deliver will be worth watching / entertaining. With a movie channel you know what a movie is going to be about from its description and thus you can say if you want to watch it or not, but that doesnt exist for a game of Starcraft. Maybe you are like "oh if the Terran goes mech and turtles I dont want to watch it" ... what do you think when the Terran does exactly that? Personally I think a broadcaster needs to be encouraged to "deliver a good service" and if people have to give them money for the privilege of watching before they even know what is going to be playing is the wrong way. The company needs to be funded purely by numbers of viewers, because that way they are interested in making that number grow. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:46 sh4w wrote: Pay the 10 dollars... The HQ VODs are actually way better than the HQ streaming quality, I ALMOST prefer to watch it via VODs, but the live feel just really does it for me. As for a re-stream, if its not live, why would you want to watch it in streaming quality. I know you just want to hit one button, but that is just sheer laziness. I'm pretty sure ANYONE can afford 10 dollars for a season ticket, and this season you get more content than ever. It just doesn't make any sense to re-stream when you have such an easy, cheap, and viable option. I don't understand why no one is getting the point that this restream will allow Esports to grow, my friends want to watch it without committing 10 bucks for the first time they watch it and 3 to 4 a.m. isn't feasable to them. Start thinking about the restream in general terms, and not as someone who watches GSL everynight or as someone who wants to see Esports grow. This isn't about the money, it is about the exposure! | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
For that reason, if one was to keep the current method of just showing only 1 stream, it would make most sense for them to have the matches streamed at a north american time, so that it strains the korean/chinese/SEA viewers to buy the tickets instead of the smaller US market. The obvious issue with this though is that the stream would need to be delayed, and there would be spoilers and such. Regarding the argument about making money... if they want to make money, why offer a free stream at all? There is a HUGE difference between VODs and 1 re-stream a day, and I can't believe that ANYONE would even compare the two. With regards to time, when would it be though? prime time for central (north) america, prime time for central europe, or prime time for the middle-ground between them both? (somewhere in the Atlantic ocean/greenland) | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:49 Demonace34 wrote: I don't understand why no one is getting the point that this restream will allow Esports to grow, my friends want to watch it without committing 10 bucks for the first time they watch it and 3 to 4 a.m. isn't feasable to them. Start thinking about the restream in general terms, and not as someone who watches GSL everynight or as someone who wants to see Esports grow. This isn't about the money, it is about the exposure! This is 100% about the money. They already have problems with the live stream and premium service. It would cost too much to drop the vods and hire/pay more employees to do the re-streaming work in the middle of night. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
If they go through with what you suggest, then come around NASL season, people will have to choose to watch either since their stream time will overlap since prime time is what your suggesting and that is when NASL wants to stream too. Some people can sorta follow both simultaneously but one can't focus on one without tuning out the other. eSports industry is still in its infacy, we don't need tournament conflicts to challenge viewer base. Even NASL is working with MLG to not coincide dates. Besides, a re-stream will never reproduce the effect of LIVE 100% cause the result has happened anyways. Everyone that has stayed up late will still stay up late to catch it TRUE LIVE. (P.S. A auto hider for timer would be a neat feature wouldn't it.) | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On February 23 2011 16:53 Grettin wrote: This is 100% about the money. They already have problems with the live stream and premium service. It would cost too much to drop the vods and hire/pay more employees to do the re-streaming work in the middle of night for re-streaming. Like I said before, the more exposure eventually in time pays off to more money, especially now that NASL is going to be on and have a wider audience. They will still get the hardcore people of Esports to give money for the VODs and then on top of that get exposure on that night that my friends are over having a good time and I put on the restream. My friends aren't going to stay up til 3 or 4 a.m. with me to watch a live stream because they value their sleep for work the next day. They don't want to blindly spend 10 bucks on a game that I think they would enjoy. If they need to pay for it, do it with ads and product placement in the normal 5 minute breaks that the normal live coverage always has of just the studio. I'm sure companies and businesses that have a market in the young nerds of SC2 will put their dollars into advertisements in that slot of time. About more people needed to work to make the restream happen, how hard is it to actually replay a virtually unedited cast of SC2. All the work was done the day before by the production crew, someone needs to be able to upload it and press play? Maybe I don't know anything about a restream, but I am doubting there is much production needed to play a replay of the day before. | ||
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
The only way I can see this being beneficial is if Gomtv had a chatroom attached to the live rebroadcast, being able to talk to others about the game while it's going on would be something a VOD cannot reproduce. | ||
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Zavi_
100 Posts
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
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Poocs
94 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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