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On February 24 2011 05:14 Gao Xi wrote:
I thought GOM didn't have to pay anything, cause Blizzard was trying to screw over kespa or w/e by giving GOM exclusive broadcasting rights in Korea. Pretty sure the prize money comes partially from blizzard, and sponsors like intel. Whatever the case is GOM and Blizzard seem pretty tight, it seems like theres always blizzard people at the GSL.
no. they have to pay money.
They pay money _for_ the exclusive rights. that's how business works.
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On February 24 2011 05:20 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:14 Gao Xi wrote:
I thought GOM didn't have to pay anything, cause Blizzard was trying to screw over kespa or w/e by giving GOM exclusive broadcasting rights in Korea. Pretty sure the prize money comes partially from blizzard, and sponsors like intel. Whatever the case is GOM and Blizzard seem pretty tight, it seems like theres always blizzard people at the GSL. no. they have to pay money. They pay money _for_ the exclusive rights. that's how business works.
I guess thats true.
Apparently i was right, they get it for free, pretty much.
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Info i found on the whole KeSPA, gomtv and blizzard thing..
"For those who are not really aware of KeSPA's business, here's the timeline of KeSPA and its major events in (South) Korea
1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded.
2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA.
3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament.
4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.'
5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea
6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this.
7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online.
8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee.
9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games.
10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting.
11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard.
12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches.
13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business.
14. Blizzard got really mad.
15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft.
16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA.
17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball.
18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea.
19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime.
20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain.
21. Blizzard constantly tried to negotiate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason.
22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negotiation with KeSPA.
23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard.
24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard)
25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negotiate with GomTV
26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA.
27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA.
28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2.
29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs.
30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League).
31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA.
32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2
33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany.
34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem.
35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time.
Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea.
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On February 24 2011 05:20 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:14 Gao Xi wrote:
I thought GOM didn't have to pay anything, cause Blizzard was trying to screw over kespa or w/e by giving GOM exclusive broadcasting rights in Korea. Pretty sure the prize money comes partially from blizzard, and sponsors like intel. Whatever the case is GOM and Blizzard seem pretty tight, it seems like theres always blizzard people at the GSL. no. they have to pay money. They pay money _for_ the exclusive rights. that's how business works.
$1, for real. That's what it cost GOM to get them. You can find it in one of the KESPA drama threads but that's what Blizz gave it to them for.
Edit: See post above this.
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On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. This made me laugh.
95% of people eh? I can smell where you pulled that number from. Not gonna bother responding to the rest of that because your sentences are either hypocritical, or it's you trying to convince yourself that it you weren't dumb on paying for it. Already went over this.
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On February 24 2011 05:30 Rah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. This made me laugh. 95% of people eh? I can smell where you pulled that number from. Not gonna bother responding to the rest of that because your arguments are either hypocritical, or it's you trying to convince yourself that it you weren't dumb for paying for it. Already went over this.
Yes, i made that number to prove a point. The rest of your post is just garbage.
Sorry, but how am i being a hypocrite or dumb for paying for something I THINK deserves my money. There are tons of people who work VERY hard to bring the content to the rest of the world. John would be my best example. Almost everyone on this site would agree; i guarantee.
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this is how gom makes their money, if u don't have the time to stay up and watch it live for free, pay for the vods.
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On February 24 2011 05:28 Marcus420 wrote:Info i found on the whole KeSPA, gomtv and blizzard thing.. Show nested quote +
"For those who are not really aware of KeSPA's business, here's the timeline of KeSPA and its major events in (South) Korea
1. KeSPA (Korean e-Sports Player Association) was founded.
2. Blizzard didn't pay much attention to KeSPA.
3. KeSPA tried to sell tickets to offline audience for the final match of Ongamenet Starcraft taurnament.
4. Blizzard said, 'No, you can't do that.'
5. KeSPA then started to take money from two major game channels, Ongamenet and MBC Game, for broadcasting Starcraft matches in Korea
6. Blizzard got mad a bit about this.
7. Only GomTV contacted Blizzard directly to request for broadcasting matches online.
8. Blizzard asked only 1$ for the contract fee.
9. GomTV created GomTV Classic and began to broadcast games.
10. Around Season 4, KeSPA told GomTV to pay money for the broadcasting.
11. GomTV argued that KeSPA didn't have any rights to do so by mentioning its contract with Blizzard.
12. KeSPA pulled their progamers out of GomTV Classic matches.
13. Eventually, GomTV went out of business.
14. Blizzard got really mad.
15. Blizzard set in motion to protect its property as well as intellectual property of Starcraft.
16. Blizzard tried to negotiate a contract with KeSPA.
17. KeSPA refused, argueing that e-sports are like other sports such as basketball and soccer, and we don't pay money to the creator of the soccer ball for soccer games. Starcraft is for the public use like the soccer ball.
18. Michael Morhaime, the president of Blizzard, visited Korea to meet progamers while promoting new Starcraft2 beta in Korea.
19. KeSPA threatened each progamer team not to meet Michael Morhaime.
20. So Michael Morhaime couldn't meet any progamers and had to return to U.S. in vain.
21. Blizzard constantly tried to negotiate with KeSPA, but KeSPA kept refusing for the same reason.
22. Blizzard finally announced that there'll be no negotiation with KeSPA.
23. Blizzard provided GomTV with the rights for broadcasting all the matches using Blizzard games. Also Blizzard informed that all the matches from KeSPA after the end of August, 2010 will expire, so KeSPA will not be able to have any matches using Blizzard games, otherwise be sued by Blizzard.
24. KeSPA furiously reacted to the 'sudden' terms. (Actually, it seemed like threatenening Blizzard)
25. Ongamenet and MBC Game hurriedly tried to negotiate with GomTV
26. In fact, there's no difference for them because they are going to pay GomTV the same money which they've been paying to KeSPA.
27. The only weapon that KeSPA has now is progamer teams that belong to KeSPA.
28. KeSPA prohibited progamers (including SlayersBoxer and NaDa) from playing, or even trying, Starcraft 2.
29. Consequently, the current high ranking players are usually retired progamers and amateurs.
30. GomTV prepared for the broadcast of GSL(Global Starcraft 2 League).
31. The scale of the league surpassed by far that from KeSPA.
32. KeSPA is now trying some media manipulation saying bad things about Starcraft 2
33. Recently, KeSPA forced NaDa to quit playing during the Starcraft2 event match that was held in Germany.
34. KeSPA gave an excuse that it was because of a network problem.
35. KeSPA changed the excuse that NaDa had another event to attend to at that time.
Most of these are known facts that have happend and are happening in Korea.
The problem with this order of events is it neglects to explain why Kespa was formed or its function, or even who Kespa is.
Kespa was formed by the pro teams, and it has in essence always existed to serve the pro teams.
When it says something like "Kespa tried to force Gom to pay rights" it could just as easily be construed as saying they have to pay a fee to the pro teams for the use of their players, whose salaries are paid by the teams. These are the stars that people tune in to watch, you can offer a prize pool but at the end of the day their real pay comes from their salary, so if you are going to use them for viewers, is it not fair to pay?
Also bear in mind not every team pulled out of the GOM tournaments, while every team is a member of Kespa. So to say "Kespa pulled out" isn't really a completely truthful statement.
Ultimately I don't think they get the fairest shake in all this, the way I see it they try to look out for the interests of the teams, which were vital in BW's growth.
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On February 24 2011 05:36 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:30 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. This made me laugh. 95% of people eh? I can smell where you pulled that number from. Not gonna bother responding to the rest of that because your arguments are either hypocritical, or it's you trying to convince yourself that it you weren't dumb for paying for it. Already went over this. Yes, i made that number to prove a point. The rest of your post is just garbage. Sorry, but how am i being a hypocrite or dumb for paying for something I THINK deserves my money. There are tons of people who work VERY hard to bring the content to the rest of the world. John would be my best example. Almost everyone on this site would agree; i guarantee.
Would you say 95% of people on this site would agree with you? You seem to have some serious knowledge on demographics Marcus420. I'll break down what I meant since you insist on it.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with donating to e-sports if you got the money to blow, but I think they should let the quality attract people rather than trying to restrict other options. They shoot themselves in the foot with exposure and we find other ways to watch it anyway if we really want to.
+ Show Spoiler +The hypocrite line was about how you made a post attacking me while accusing me of only knowing how to attack people in an argue. Didn't think it was so hard to notice.
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They already have this, its called VODs. I can watch them whenever I want.
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On February 24 2011 05:53 Rah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:36 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 05:30 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
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This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. This made me laugh. 95% of people eh? I can smell where you pulled that number from. Not gonna bother responding to the rest of that because your arguments are either hypocritical, or it's you trying to convince yourself that it you weren't dumb for paying for it. Already went over this. Yes, i made that number to prove a point. The rest of your post is just garbage. Sorry, but how am i being a hypocrite or dumb for paying for something I THINK deserves my money. There are tons of people who work VERY hard to bring the content to the rest of the world. John would be my best example. Almost everyone on this site would agree; i guarantee. Would you say 95% of people on this site would agree with you? You seem to have some serious knowledge on demographics Marcus420. I'll break down what I meant since you insist on it. I don't think that there's anything wrong with donating to e-sports if you got the money to blow, but I think they should let the quality attract people rather than trying to restrict other options. They shoot themselves in the foot with exposure and we find other ways to watch it anyway if we really want to. + Show Spoiler +The hypocrite line was about how you made a post attacking me while accusing me of only knowing how to attack people in an argue. Didn't think it was so hard to notice.
Wait wait wait, are you Actually arguing that they should not charge money for content?
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On February 24 2011 05:53 Rah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:36 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 05:30 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
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This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. This made me laugh. 95% of people eh? I can smell where you pulled that number from. Not gonna bother responding to the rest of that because your arguments are either hypocritical, or it's you trying to convince yourself that it you weren't dumb for paying for it. Already went over this. Yes, i made that number to prove a point. The rest of your post is just garbage. Sorry, but how am i being a hypocrite or dumb for paying for something I THINK deserves my money. There are tons of people who work VERY hard to bring the content to the rest of the world. John would be my best example. Almost everyone on this site would agree; i guarantee. Would you say 95% of people on this site would agree with you? You seem to have some serious knowledge on demographics Marcus420. I'll break down what I meant since you insist on it. I don't think that there's anything wrong with donating to e-sports if you got the money to blow, but I think they should let the quality attract people rather than trying to restrict other options. They shoot themselves in the foot with exposure and we find other ways to watch it anyway if we really want to. + Show Spoiler +The hypocrite line was about how you made a post attacking me while accusing me of only knowing how to attack people in an argue. Didn't think it was so hard to notice.
I wouldnt say exactly 95%; but i would consider that majority of the people who come on this site have some common sense, related to that if there is someone working their ass off to make people like me and you happy, they should be getting paid.
This post is much more civilized; and i would agree with some of your points.
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On February 24 2011 05:56 Sanguinarius wrote:
They already have this, its called VODs. I can watch them whenever I want.
Well he's meaning for free lol. But don't see GOM doing this while its a good idea just don't see it happening  . But its not expensive to get the vods anyway 10$ I think it is still?
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Please don't let this thread devolve into a KESPA v. Blizzard thread. For what its worth, I agree with iCCup.Diamond here, simply re-streaming the games at a time where foreigners can tune in will give GOM a larger audience and in return, probably more premium ticket holders.
Much like what the UFC did.
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As-live broadcasting is the next best thing to live broadcasting. I hope thus re-broadcasts will be a feature of future seasons.
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On February 24 2011 06:01 whiteguycash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 05:53 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 05:36 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 05:30 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:
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It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. This made me laugh. 95% of people eh? I can smell where you pulled that number from. Not gonna bother responding to the rest of that because your arguments are either hypocritical, or it's you trying to convince yourself that it you weren't dumb for paying for it. Already went over this. Yes, i made that number to prove a point. The rest of your post is just garbage. Sorry, but how am i being a hypocrite or dumb for paying for something I THINK deserves my money. There are tons of people who work VERY hard to bring the content to the rest of the world. John would be my best example. Almost everyone on this site would agree; i guarantee. Would you say 95% of people on this site would agree with you? You seem to have some serious knowledge on demographics Marcus420. I'll break down what I meant since you insist on it. I don't think that there's anything wrong with donating to e-sports if you got the money to blow, but I think they should let the quality attract people rather than trying to restrict other options. They shoot themselves in the foot with exposure and we find other ways to watch it anyway if we really want to. + Show Spoiler +The hypocrite line was about how you made a post attacking me while accusing me of only knowing how to attack people in an argue. Didn't think it was so hard to notice. Wait wait wait, are you Actually arguing that they should not charge money for content?
Yea, see that's kinda how it is for most e-sports events. Including GSL for Koreans. Crazy I know! after that awsome tasteless marketting convinced you that it's something you should pay for. Read my other posts, I think I've made it clear enough what I'm trying to say. Gonna spare the repeat posts.
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I'm just happy that GSL is from like 10 to 13:20 live in Europe and not middle of the night as in USA. But be tiring to watch. I can wake up turn on my computer and sit only in my pants and duvet over me and watch some lovely high quality starcraft when i've woken up.
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Go ahead and post this on the GSL forums, as they could actually make use of the idea...
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who the hell is voting NO seriously? Do you mind people getting entertained or what?
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I have bought season 2-current, never bought season 1 as I watched it live. Due to a new job I am unable to watch the whole stream every night even though it is on at a very reasonable time for me in Australia. I can't afford to stay up till possibly 10pm+ every night to watch the games when I have to be up and alert at 5am. This means I miss games because it's not at a convienient time for me. So...I buy the VOD's and watch at a convienient time for me. Simple. The 'live' experience comes down to people being too lazy to click the next set. So all you really need is a stream all option of a set for the vod's and the problem is solved.
There is absolutely no need for a restream. To everyone complaining and using the 'it will help e-sports grow argument', e-sports is growing, (NASL, MLG expanding), and there are a variety of free streams on at times that would be convienient for your 'friends' to watch and if not they can watch the VOD's at your place if they're interested, (I personally have had friends over to rewatch games to see if they were interested in buying a ticket of their own). I am getting quite sick of all these complaints saying that the stream only caters to Asia/China when the same applies for other large tournaments that cast in America/Germany/Sweeden and you see no huge threads complaining of stream times from anyone else about how there needs to be a restream.
Someone who cares enough and wants the button for play all, go suggest it to Gom. Otherwise go watch the free streams that all on at convienient times and stop the whinging, this thread pops up nearly every season and the same arguments get thrown back and you nearly ever poll comes back on a restream being needed but it never happens, because it's not really needed.
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