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ch4ppi
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany802 Posts
February 23 2011 18:04 GMT
#141
The Poll is totally biased... where is the "I dont care" Option?
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
February 23 2011 18:05 GMT
#142
On February 24 2011 02:35 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 01:51 whiteguycash wrote:
The amount of uneducated thoughts and comments regarding "Business Sense" is absolutely astounding in this thread.

The niche of off-broadcast viewership is already fulfilled by High Quality VODs. I suppose if you were to Re stream for US Timezones, you would want to Re stream for EU timezones as well, to make sure none of your viewership is left out of the equation? Don't be ridiculous. Re streaming 2x would cost much more than a simple VOD system, and would net ZERO additional benefit.


You have some numbers for this? You state this like you know exactly how much it costs for them to stream a event rather then hold a database of VODs that are available whenever someone wants to access the.

Also, there is much benefit. I don't have to stay up to 4-6am to watch the games live, which I prefer much more then watching VODs.


Uhhh what?

He doesn't need numbers to back up his claims.

Let x be the amount of money it costs to stream.

The amount of total money spent on streaming if they were to stream twice = 2x.

... which is what he said.

Anyway, the benefit is strictly to you. GOM gets nothing. In fact, they just get lowered ticket prices. You say you prefer to watch live games over VoDs, but restream wouldn't be live. A large majority of the community would either watch live or through VoDs anyway, there is no reason for a 2nd live showing.

It makes zero sense.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 18:11:25
February 23 2011 18:08 GMT
#143
This is pretty much the same thread I'd see if someone argues for making WoW free to play or something. Blizzard or GOM will never need to argue against this, because they've got enough people brainwashed into paying and trying to justify it to themselves on the forums to stomp out anyone opposing it by sheer numbers. "Oh but it's definitly worth the value," a parrot could repeat Tasteless' advertisement too. Good job. Watching Korean pro SC2 should be as costly and easy as watching the OSL finals. Everyone who forgets the extreme measures Blizzard is taking to make it not free and accessible are just sheep to me.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 23 2011 18:11 GMT
#144
This thread needs to be remade or something. I think 40% of the people responding are going "stop being cheap" when it's not about that. Maybe can this get a mod note on top or something? It's a good idea but people are just blindly responding to the title of the thread.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
February 23 2011 18:13 GMT
#145
On February 24 2011 03:05 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 02:35 Myles wrote:
On February 24 2011 01:51 whiteguycash wrote:
The amount of uneducated thoughts and comments regarding "Business Sense" is absolutely astounding in this thread.

The niche of off-broadcast viewership is already fulfilled by High Quality VODs. I suppose if you were to Re stream for US Timezones, you would want to Re stream for EU timezones as well, to make sure none of your viewership is left out of the equation? Don't be ridiculous. Re streaming 2x would cost much more than a simple VOD system, and would net ZERO additional benefit.


You have some numbers for this? You state this like you know exactly how much it costs for them to stream a event rather then hold a database of VODs that are available whenever someone wants to access the.

Also, there is much benefit. I don't have to stay up to 4-6am to watch the games live, which I prefer much more then watching VODs.


Uhhh what?

He doesn't need numbers to back up his claims.

Let x be the amount of money it costs to stream.

The amount of total money spent on streaming if they were to stream twice = 2x.

... which is what he said.

Anyway, the benefit is strictly to you. GOM gets nothing. In fact, they just get lowered ticket prices. You say you prefer to watch live games over VoDs, but restream wouldn't be live. A large majority of the community would either watch live or through VoDs anyway, there is no reason for a 2nd live showing.

It makes zero sense.


No, he said that running the stream twice would cost much more then simply having vods. I disagree and want to know how he came to that conclusion. I asked for numbers because he's likely pulling it out of his ass and has no more authority to state it will cost much more then I have to say it will cost almost nothing more.
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klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
February 23 2011 18:13 GMT
#146
i've heard it's similar to buying a dvd of sorts.
motioncity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States37 Posts
February 23 2011 18:14 GMT
#147
On February 23 2011 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I thought the greatest thing about watching pro starcraft was fighting the urge of sleeping at 2AM to watch a starleague finals.

it shows passion and dedication.
School tomorrow?still watch starcraft at 2AM.
Catch a a flight in the morning?Still watch starcraft at 2AM.

+ Show Spoiler +
FOR THE PASSION,
FOR THE GLORY,
FOR THE MEMORIES,
FOR THE MONEY,
YOU'RE A GAMER,
YOU LOVE STARCRAFT,
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?
ALL THE SAME!!!


haha i agree with this i have classes everyday and usually i end up falling asleep with my laptop running GSL...and i usually stay up till 5-6am watching

and yeah in a way i think it shows that "dedication" to the game
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 18:16:53
February 23 2011 18:15 GMT
#148
On February 24 2011 03:05 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 02:35 Myles wrote:
On February 24 2011 01:51 whiteguycash wrote:
The amount of uneducated thoughts and comments regarding "Business Sense" is absolutely astounding in this thread.

The niche of off-broadcast viewership is already fulfilled by High Quality VODs. I suppose if you were to Re stream for US Timezones, you would want to Re stream for EU timezones as well, to make sure none of your viewership is left out of the equation? Don't be ridiculous. Re streaming 2x would cost much more than a simple VOD system, and would net ZERO additional benefit.


You have some numbers for this? You state this like you know exactly how much it costs for them to stream a event rather then hold a database of VODs that are available whenever someone wants to access the.

Also, there is much benefit. I don't have to stay up to 4-6am to watch the games live, which I prefer much more then watching VODs.


Uhhh what?

He doesn't need numbers to back up his claims.

Let x be the amount of money it costs to stream.

The amount of total money spent on streaming if they were to stream twice = 2x.

... which is what he said.

Anyway, the benefit is strictly to you. GOM gets nothing. In fact, they just get lowered ticket prices. You say you prefer to watch live games over VoDs, but restream wouldn't be live. A large majority of the community would either watch live or through VoDs anyway, there is no reason for a 2nd live showing.

It makes zero sense.


Actually only if they get equal viewers both broadcasts. If they do, then it's a success. You only pay for the bandwidth that is used.

On February 24 2011 03:14 motioncity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I thought the greatest thing about watching pro starcraft was fighting the urge of sleeping at 2AM to watch a starleague finals.

it shows passion and dedication.
School tomorrow?still watch starcraft at 2AM.
Catch a a flight in the morning?Still watch starcraft at 2AM.

+ Show Spoiler +
FOR THE PASSION,
FOR THE GLORY,
FOR THE MEMORIES,
FOR THE MONEY,
YOU'RE A GAMER,
YOU LOVE STARCRAFT,
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?
ALL THE SAME!!!


haha i agree with this i have classes everyday and usually i end up falling asleep with my laptop running GSL...and i usually stay up till 5-6am watching

and yeah in a way i think it shows that "dedication" to the game


Don't forget GSL is at 4AM over here in the EST. Meaning staying up "to be a sport" or whatever is simply not an option for those with jobs.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
1st_Panzer_Div.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 18:22:04
February 23 2011 18:16 GMT
#149
I don't think GOM needs to start competing with NASL quite yet... NASL needs to prove itself still, plus if it really is helping Esports grow in the West, then it may just boost premium sales for GSL.

Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it's unpausable with long breaks between games, and you don't control when it starts. Plus the HD VODs are always higher quality than the streams. I don't really see any benefit over watching a VOD.

Edit: Removed the line about money.
Manager, Team RIP ZeeZ
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 23 2011 18:17 GMT
#150
On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy.


This is not about $, please read the thread/op.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
February 23 2011 18:21 GMT
#151
why would it be good if both leagues would be on the same time?

If they were to restream GSL i bet they wouldn't do it on the sametime another big league takes place because they would lose potencial VOD costumers and some viewers because some will prefer NASL!
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dolpiff
Profile Joined June 2010
France300 Posts
February 23 2011 18:23 GMT
#152
so basically the op is saying; i want to watch gsl for free when i go home from work lol

i hear you since i have the same problem living in europe but its not gonna happen
Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 18:30:37
February 23 2011 18:23 GMT
#153
On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy.


This is not about $, please read the thread/op.


It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel.
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Justanx
Profile Joined November 2010
United States240 Posts
February 23 2011 18:30 GMT
#154
I think what the main complaint is " Why can't GOM give me a free stream at a time that I'm awake" . Wow. Either buy the VODs or don't buy. You are not missing much from the VODs then the regular stream. Its actually better quality then the stream. Comparing it to the NASL is really not comparable, because the NASL will be prerecorded as well, so the cheat factor doesn't come in play.
If you are being frugal then you have to wake up in the morning to watch.
Ding Dong Usama is dead
wireke
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium122 Posts
February 23 2011 18:30 GMT
#155
For EU its actually not such a bad timing. Most of the time games are played from 10 am CET.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 23 2011 18:31 GMT
#156
OK mods can I have permission to remake this shit fest with a more complete OP in hopes that some people read it and will be much more in depth and cover 95% of the repeating posts in here?
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10870 Posts
February 23 2011 18:32 GMT
#157
On February 24 2011 03:30 wireke wrote:
For EU its actually not such a bad timing. Most of the time games are played from 10 am CET.



How is that not bad for a "non student"?

Thats worse than in the middle of the night...
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
February 23 2011 18:38 GMT
#158
On February 23 2011 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I thought the greatest thing about watching pro starcraft was fighting the urge of sleeping at 2AM to watch a starleague finals.

it shows passion and dedication.
School tomorrow?still watch starcraft at 2AM.
Catch a a flight in the morning?Still watch starcraft at 2AM.

+ Show Spoiler +
FOR THE PASSION,
FOR THE GLORY,
FOR THE MEMORIES,
FOR THE MONEY,
YOU'RE A GAMER,
YOU LOVE STARCRAFT,
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?
ALL THE SAME!!!

Unless, say, you're a responsible person and all.
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
February 23 2011 18:41 GMT
#159
On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy.


This is not about $, please read the thread/op.


It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel.

Nothing is free.

Deal with it. You are wrong.
Zisc
Profile Joined February 2011
20 Posts
February 23 2011 18:41 GMT
#160
On February 24 2011 03:04 ch4ppi wrote:
The Poll is totally biased... where is the "I dont care" Option?


if you don't care.........don't vote?

OT: Hell yeah restream that shit but only allow it to be accessible to people who HAVE bought the season ticket and increase the bitrate ftw.
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