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On February 24 2011 02:48 confusedcrib wrote:
Herp derp I guess your friends couldn't just watch a VOD or two with you or would that not let them get the idea of what it is?
I've moved several times, so I'm mostly talking about friends I mostly talk to online. Herp derp to you too
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On February 24 2011 03:42 Pinith wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:48 confusedcrib wrote:
Herp derp I guess your friends couldn't just watch a VOD or two with you or would that not let them get the idea of what it is? I've moved several times, so I'm mostly talking about friends I mostly talk to online. Herp derp to you too
Some of the Vods are free; they can watch those to get a good idea of what it is like.
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On February 24 2011 03:31 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
OK mods can I have permission to remake this shit fest with a more complete OP in hopes that some people read it and will be much more in depth and cover 95% of the repeating posts in here?
I understand the post. The UFC rebroadcasts its fights that were held in Europe, so viewers in the U.S can watch at home at the same time (around 10pm EST). The UFC also charges the regular PPV price even though its rebroadcast.
The World Cup doesn't always rebroadcasts its games, we have to catch it on a you tube video or if you have a premium service package you might get a game shown again.
So it does come down to money. It takes money to show these events again. The NFL has exclusive rights to all its games. Even with all its sponsors.
If GOMtv were to set its schedule so the rest of the world could watch it at a certain time, I believe they should be compensated for the effort.
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On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong.
All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger.
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On February 23 2011 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:I thought the greatest thing about watching pro starcraft was fighting the urge of sleeping at 2AM to watch a starleague finals. it shows passion and dedication. School tomorrow?still watch starcraft at 2AM. Catch a a flight in the morning?Still watch starcraft at 2AM. + Show Spoiler +FOR THE PASSION,
FOR THE GLORY,
FOR THE MEMORIES,
FOR THE MONEY,
YOU'RE A GAMER,
YOU LOVE STARCRAFT,
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?
ALL THE SAME!!!
Kinda hard when the games start at 7AM
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Good for users, bad for GOM.
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I would probably tune in but haveing the VODs is really just thing. Its only 10$ a season so i really do not mind putting up the money. Its Reading week so i have been up every night watching it anyways but thats not a normal occurrence. I think the VODs are just fine.
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Why would streaming at the same time as NASL be good? They would split the market and hurt each other.
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Why can't you pay for the service? Atleast gom is kind enough to stream it for free in the first place, i'd say quit being needie.
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My tip if you missed it and don't wanna pay: Go on Justin.tv and search gsl code S. They're always there.
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I quit watching GSL because I don't have the energy to stay up that late and I'm not going to buy tickets for some silly VODS of a game I don't even think is living up to BW yet. If GOM doesn't restream at a different time, I'm just not interested in GSL.
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On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger.
Sigh, do you have the act like that?
GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast.
I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell.
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On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell.
On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events.
Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin.
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I see no reason why they shouldn't restream it at a later time. They offer a free stream for a reason, so why wouldn't they want to make it more accesible to get more people interested in GSL?
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On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin.
What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being.
They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head.
95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world.
You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone.
Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin.
This made me laugh.
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On February 24 2011 03:13 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 03:05 mprs wrote:On February 24 2011 02:35 Myles wrote:On February 24 2011 01:51 whiteguycash wrote:
The amount of uneducated thoughts and comments regarding "Business Sense" is absolutely astounding in this thread.
The niche of off-broadcast viewership is already fulfilled by High Quality VODs. I suppose if you were to Re stream for US Timezones, you would want to Re stream for EU timezones as well, to make sure none of your viewership is left out of the equation? Don't be ridiculous. Re streaming 2x would cost much more than a simple VOD system, and would net ZERO additional benefit. You have some numbers for this? You state this like you know exactly how much it costs for them to stream a event rather then hold a database of VODs that are available whenever someone wants to access the. Also, there is much benefit. I don't have to stay up to 4-6am to watch the games live, which I prefer much more then watching VODs. Uhhh what? He doesn't need numbers to back up his claims. Let x be the amount of money it costs to stream. The amount of total money spent on streaming if they were to stream twice = 2x. ... which is what he said. Anyway, the benefit is strictly to you. GOM gets nothing. In fact, they just get lowered ticket prices. You say you prefer to watch live games over VoDs, but restream wouldn't be live. A large majority of the community would either watch live or through VoDs anyway, there is no reason for a 2nd live showing. It makes zero sense. No, he said that running the stream twice would cost much more then simply having vods. I disagree and want to know how he came to that conclusion. I asked for numbers because he's likely pulling it out of his ass and has no more authority to state it will cost much more then I have to say it will cost almost nothing more.
Maybe my intent wasn't clear, but mprs was absolutely correct in his conclusion of my intent.
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On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. This made me laugh.
Doesn't Blizzard fund GOM in some way? Or is it just the prize money..
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On February 24 2011 04:55 Deadlyhazard wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 04:51 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 04:02 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:55 Assirra wrote:On February 24 2011 03:47 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:41 Marcus420 wrote:On February 24 2011 03:23 Rah wrote:On February 24 2011 03:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On February 24 2011 03:16 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote:
Plus a restream isn't live... it's really the same as watching a VOD, except it seems you just don't want to pay for it and it's unpausable with long breaks between games. Esports are awesome, why not put so money into the community you enjoy. This is not about $, please read the thread/op. It doesn't matter what this thread is really about at this point, you're wasting your breath. They will oppose it because they're disgusted by the thought of other people getting for free what they convinced themselves was worth paying for. We're all in a shitty situation as far as GOM, but now it's like crabs in a barrel. Nothing is free. Deal with it. You are wrong. All I hear is "baaaahhhhh". Broodwar Vods are free, non korean SC2 tournies are free, GSL is free for Koreans dude. See a trend? Don't shoot the messenger. Sigh, do you have the act like that? GSL free for koreans? yea cause they have adds. adds make money, maybe gom should try to get some english/american adds aswell, it would be more enjoyable then just a blank screen during the pauses atleast. I dunno anything about brood war but did they had an international stream that was mend for the non-koreans inclusive professional casters/observer/interviews? if the answer is no, that argument fails aswell. On the international stream the answer is no, except for gom at one point who had a free one, or maybe just the vods, i forget. but for broodwar they also didn't use these "donations" you clowns pay to hire people to scour the web removing all fan generated content. There was a lot more selection on accessible commentators for big events. Maybe I was a little over the top with how I said that to him, yea, but it annoys me when people feed into dumb shit like this. I guess I'll go back to quietly boycotting it. and yes, using those donations to pull in some ad people would sit better with me. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. What in the fuck are you talking about? Fan generated content? Oh, im sorry they are abiding by copyright laws for their own well being. They are a business that needs to make profit; get that clear in your head. 95% of people dont mind paying $10 or so to support a very high quality stream with some of the best sc2 games in the world. You're second paragraph just makes you look like an asshole who can only argue by attacking someone. Call me cheap, at least I ain't a sheep, all I'm sayin. This made me laugh. Doesn't Blizzard fund GOM in some way? Or is it just the prize money..
I think its GOM who pays Blizzard for the rights to broadcast their game live on TV and such. Dont know how the rest works.
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I thought GOM didn't have to pay anything, cause Blizzard was trying to screw over kespa or w/e by giving GOM exclusive broadcasting rights in Korea. Pretty sure the prize money comes partially from blizzard, and sponsors like intel. Whatever the case is GOM and Blizzard seem pretty tight, it seems like theres always blizzard people at the GSL.
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On February 24 2011 05:14 Gao Xi wrote:
I thought GOM didn't have to pay anything, cause Blizzard was trying to screw over kespa or w/e by giving GOM exclusive broadcasting rights in Korea. Pretty sure the prize money comes partially from blizzard, and sponsors like intel. Whatever the case is GOM and Blizzard seem pretty tight, it seems like theres always blizzard people at the GSL.
Possibly.
My understanding is that Kespa doesnt want sc2 because they had to pay for broadcasting rights. I could be wrong though.
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