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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 24 2011 06:09 GHOSTCLAW wrote: Go ahead and post this on the GSL forums, as they could actually make use of the idea... Is there anyway we can either remake this thread with a much more detailed OP highlighting this is not about getting the stream for free or either make a mod note on top to stop complaining about this? | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On February 24 2011 06:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Is there anyway we can either remake this thread with a much more detailed OP highlighting this is not about getting the stream for free or either make a mod note on top to stop complaining about this? But that's exactly what it is about, everyone keeps arguing that it would be more convienient whereas the VOD's are exactly that convienient and then you bash that idea because you want a play all button so go ask for one and then you can 'box,write etc' while it plays on your tv. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
non-live report thread + kinda IRC + delayed stream + whenever = boring... i'd rather have HQ vods | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
But this is my own personal circumstance. | ||
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fds
Slovenia258 Posts
EU is ok with current broadcasting. NA is crying about current broadcasting. This is classic time zone problem. How to solve this problem? Offer video on demand (VOD)! You want more? Write GomTV to introduce playlist - play all VODs from selected date. | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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whiteguycash
United States476 Posts
On February 24 2011 06:07 Rah wrote: Yea, see that's kinda how it is for most e-sports events. Including GSL for Koreans. Crazy I know! after that awsome tasteless marketting convinced you that it's something you should pay for. Read my other posts, I think I've made it clear enough what I'm trying to say. Gonna spare the repeat posts. Then apparently you misunderstand the way SOCIETY IN AND OF ITSELF FUNCTIONS. There is no free lunch. Somebody somewhere is paying for it, and you expect the sponsor to foot the bill and invest without any return? They have no reason to operate in the red. The reason Koreans don't have to pay for season tickets is because the advertisements are geared towards them, so the advertisers are willing to foot the bill for Koreans watching. Not so for foreigners, because Korean commercials don't market to foreigners. I just can't believe that you have the audacity to think you are entitled to something free, not even mentioning the quality of the games, casters, production, and all the behind the scenes work that goes on. You might think that we are "giving in to some huge marketing scheme and bowing down to the man," but I have a newsflash for you. Thats how the world works. You don't get something for nothing because its called STEALING and it is ILLEGAL. | ||
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ImHuko
United States996 Posts
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
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Rah
United States973 Posts
On February 24 2011 07:51 whiteguycash wrote: Then apparently you misunderstand the way SOCIETY IN AND OF ITSELF FUNCTIONS. There is no free lunch. Somebody somewhere is paying for it, and you expect the sponsor to foot the bill and invest without any return? They have no reason to operate in the red. The reason Koreans don't have to pay for season tickets is because the advertisements are geared towards them, so the advertisers are willing to foot the bill for Koreans watching. Not so for foreigners, because Korean commercials don't market to foreigners. I just can't believe that you have the audacity to think you are entitled to something free, not even mentioning the quality of the games, casters, production, and all the behind the scenes work that goes on. You might think that we are "giving in to some huge marketing scheme and bowing down to the man," but I have a newsflash for you. Thats how the world works. You don't get something for nothing because its called STEALING and it is ILLEGAL. very dramatic justification thread there. I won't argue man, glad those HD vods are worth it for you. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On February 24 2011 06:17 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Is there anyway we can either remake this thread with a much more detailed OP highlighting this is not about getting the stream for free or either make a mod note on top to stop complaining about this? Except the whole point of the thread is to get the stream for free. Otherwise people can just pay for the VOD and watch it at the "restream" time. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
- The OP is not trying to get something for nothing - The point of this thread is that restreaming once will boost viewership in the US, which is true, because some people can't see the live broadcast and can't afford the VODs - Boosting viewership benefits GOM because it benefits sponsors such as Intel and Sony, and would benefit them even more if they could run region-specific ads - It is not about getting a free lunch because getting more viewers benefits GOM, the viewers, and the sport - Restreaming is not the same as making the VODs free -- the restream would happen only once and to watch the VODs at any other time would still require the subscription fee The OPs idea is to benefit GOM by boosting viewership in the US. This is good for US esports because it would help GOM connect with US advertisers. Ultimately, this might mean that the entire service could be free in the US as it is in Korea. How would that be a bad thing for anyone? People who can't understand these points, please reread the OP and stop derailing the thread. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On February 24 2011 08:25 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: This thread fails so bad, and it has nothing to do with the OP, which is pretty reasonable if you read it. - The OP is not trying to get something for nothing - The point of this thread is that restreaming once will boost viewership in the US, which is true, because some people can't see the live broadcast and can't afford the VODs - Boosting viewership benefits GOM because it benefits sponsors such as Intel and Sony, and would benefit them even more if they could run region-specific ads - It is not about getting a free lunch because getting more viewers benefits GOM, the viewers, and the sport - Restreaming is not the same as making the VODs free -- the restream would happen only once and to watch the VODs at any other time would still require the subscription fee The OPs idea is to benefit GOM by boosting viewership in the US. This is good for US esports because it would help GOM connect with US advertisers. Ultimately, this might mean that the entire service could be free in the US as it is in Korea. How would that be a bad thing for anyone? People who can't understand these points, please reread the OP and stop derailing the thread. Ppl understand but don't forget, when they will restream at decent hours (for US) they WILL lose premium tickets because a lot of those are exactly cause it are those hours and ppl buy it for the VODS. The OP's intentions might be right and all but you need to see the 2sides of the coin here. They will lose premium tickets and gain sponsorship and more viewership. Its to GOM to decide if they want to take the "risk" of setting it up and making sure it works like it should. Don't forget that it is god knows what hour in the night is during cause of the wonderfull time system. I would fully support this but to say they don't lose anything is simply wrong. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On February 24 2011 09:07 Assirra wrote: Ppl understand but don't forget, when they will restream at decent hours (for US) they WILL lose premium tickets because a lot of those are exactly cause it are those hours and ppl buy it for the VODS. The OP's intentions might be right and all but you need to see the 2sides of the coin here. They will lose premium tickets and gain sponsorship and more viewership. Its to GOM to decide if they want to take the "risk" of setting it up and making sure it works like it should. Don't forget that it is god knows what hour in the night is during cause of the wonderfull time system. I would fully support this but to say they don't lose anything is simply wrong. Imagine if teamliquid.net cost 10 dollars a month to view. They would skyrocket in earnings. The negative effect though is a cut of their relevance, and reddit sc / alternatives would spring up filling their void. The idea is that those competitors to GomTV are beginning to appear. It makes sense to solidify their position as the best tournament in the world by restreaming once for USA timezones and once for EU primetime. It's for a lot of different reasons, more exposure in those markets is overall good for gomtv. | ||
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Sickafant
Canada19 Posts
I would imagine most of the hardcore fans who watch early in the morning will still watch it at that time, since that's pretty much the bees knees right there. The restream will be for expanding the audience. I'm pretty confident the extra exposure from a restream will help premium service sales overall. Maybe they can try to do a restream of some of the shows to gauge the feasibility of this. One restream per week or something, and try to get the word out to the fans to tell their friends to check out the restream whenever it airs. In my opinion, watching the whole show is way more awesome than just 1 set, so maybe it will entice users to get the premium service. | ||
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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plainsane
Germany98 Posts
So why exactly would a restream be better than this, except for the fact that you would get the content for free? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10823 Posts
On February 24 2011 07:42 fds wrote: Korea is happy with current broadcasting. EU is ok with current broadcasting. NA is crying about current broadcasting. This is classic time zone problem. How to solve this problem? Offer video on demand (VOD)! You want more? Write GomTV to introduce playlist - play all VODs from selected date. How the fuck is anyone with a "normal" Job in Europe happy with the Broadcasting times? If there is an important/very interesting game in the middle of the night i can get up or stay up. If there is an important/very interesting game in the middle of the day i can either not watch it or take holydays... | ||
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
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