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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 06:57:42
February 23 2011 06:54 GMT
#21
Well tbh. I rather watch GSL live in Europe at 11-12AM than primetime. So i guess the only problem i see is with the US time zone, but hey, US content casting hours are always as fucked up as gsl casting hours. Atleast for the europeans. So yeah, buy Vods, support the scene.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 06:59:59
February 23 2011 06:56 GMT
#22
rebroadcasting at normal hours

Gets them a calendar link on Teamliquid.

Allows you to say "tune in to watch GSL". Instead of watching game 1 of a match/group, you can tell your friends to get the real experience and watch an actual consistent stream.

By airing at normal hours they increase total traffic. They miss out on a ton of traffic broadcasting at 3 AM, it makes sense to run a rebroadcast.

Also yes, you may pay 10 dollars for vods, there are a lot of people that look elsewhere or simply don't care enough to. As competition from NASL and other orgs materializes, it makes sense to do this.

Honestly what other matches / sc2 will be happening on any weekday in the SC2 scene? If gomtv capitalizes and starts doing this before NASL starts, it will be a good move. Not like there is a ton of money right now, but it does make sense in any longterm perspective.

VoDs/HQ would still be available to purchase.
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Manatea
Profile Joined March 2007
Korea (South)48 Posts
February 23 2011 07:05 GMT
#23
I guess GOM has not incentives for restream at all unless there are additional sponsors for restream.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
February 23 2011 07:11 GMT
#24
On February 23 2011 15:56 dacthehork wrote:
Also yes, you may pay 10 dollars for vods, there are a lot of people that look elsewhere or simply don't care enough to. As competition from NASL and other orgs materializes, it makes sense to do this.

This is the problem with the suggestion. Why make a restream solely for people who don't care enough for it to matter? The VODs are cheap and convenient. The only experience you're missing out on is that it's not live, which wouldn't be the case with your suggestion anyway.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
February 23 2011 07:14 GMT
#25
just buy the ticket man, it's worth every penny. i've already bought every season. plus the vods on high quality are 3x better than the hq stream that you get with the ticket and 10000x better than the free stream
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smocca
Profile Joined May 2010
United States83 Posts
February 23 2011 07:20 GMT
#26
I think the premium VODs are enough but if I had one request it would be that I could login and click a "play all" option which would play the entire broadcast from start to finish. It would be convenient and preserve the feeling of a 'start to finish' show which you get from watching the livestream.
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
February 23 2011 07:20 GMT
#27
The VODs are usually uploaded very fast, you can watch them at any time you want, in any order you want and in way better quality

Really there is no reason to restream it again, just get the VODs (they are spoiler-free too, it's awesome)
wat454
Profile Joined October 2010
19 Posts
February 23 2011 07:21 GMT
#28
the ignorance in this thread makes me sad

User was warned for this post
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:23:10
February 23 2011 07:22 GMT
#29
As an Australian I can watch it live but I don't really and I get premium anyway. No way am I not gonna support GSL and just take take take from an awesome production like that. You gotta give back.

Just get the VODs, they won't restream for you they WANT you to get premium. It's not that much, seriously.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:24:42
February 23 2011 07:22 GMT
#30
On February 23 2011 16:14 Alejandrisha wrote:
just buy the ticket man, it's worth every penny. i've already bought every season. plus the vods on high quality are 3x better than the hq stream that you get with the ticket and 10000x better than the free stream


I buy the ticket, and still would buy the ticket but watch mainly the restreams. I have it so my main TV can be set up as a monitor/speakers, I would love to be able to work out, box, write, do anything else while watching without having to start up each and every game. It's a hassle and I am roughly 100% more likely to skip all the intro stuff (ie less viewer time, it matters to a company like GOM) when watching a VOD. But on a restream there is no option to do so.

It's a tried and very proven method, and I hope the mods let this stay open as we have seen TL forums get more accomplished then the GOM forums more often then not.

Also it's 14,000 times easier to get new fans to SC2. It's really fucking tough to tell people, "well check out this revolutionary thing you never thought was a sport but you got to stay up till 4am or pay some money on something you are not really that interested in yet." Now I can say "listen, ANY weekday starting at 7pm you can go to this site and check this out, I know it's new but just give it a shot, any weekday at this site for free."

I think having GSL more accessible to the US and EU audiences would help SCII by leaps and bounds.
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MostDifferent
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway124 Posts
February 23 2011 07:23 GMT
#31
how about you people support it and spend $10 a month on it?
HaNdFisH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia119 Posts
February 23 2011 07:25 GMT
#32
So you are actually asking for a feature to play all the vods from a single play day one after the other automatically?

Sounds like a good idea to implement, should ask on gomtv forums.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:27:21
February 23 2011 07:25 GMT
#33
i dont get the use of this. Why do we need a restream when we can just click on the VODs? The only thing that would be nice if they changed is that the interviews will be uploaded sooner (sometimes I cant find them, sometimes they come up a few days after the match)

edit: i personally wouldnt care if there would be a stream, but GOM needs somehow the money to do that which ofc means higher Premium packages - and that would be bad for everyone. So better to just have it the way it is
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:29:04
February 23 2011 07:26 GMT
#34
On February 23 2011 16:25 HaNdFisH wrote:
So you are actually asking for a feature to play all the vods from a single play day one after the other automatically?

Sounds like a good idea to implement, should ask on gomtv forums.


Not even that. Just restream the whole thing, you use the GOM player and everything. Like say they restream at 7pm my time, I know at 7pm every single day I can go to GOM and hit that live button and it'll be just like I am watching it at 4am, but I don't have to be insane to be up at 7pm.

On February 23 2011 16:25 Markus138 wrote:
i dont get the use of this. Why do we need a restream when we can just click on the VODs? The only thing that would be nice if they changed is that the interviews will be uploaded sooner (sometimes I cant find them, sometimes they come up a few days after the match)


Ease of use. I like clicking "go live" and nothing else instead of 20 seconds of stupid stuff in between each game and vod buffering. Then I always skip the intro and end up going to far trying to find the game start and have to click back and forth to find it.

Also it would open up the doors of a top level esports production that is really in a league of it's own for SC2 (nothing against MLG or ESL, GOM does SCII spot on). See my post above, I really think it would help both SCII and GOM doing so.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
February 23 2011 07:27 GMT
#35
Depends what the cost of restreaming is for them as a business. Without knowing their costs and income, there's no way to say it's obviously better or worse. Everything else is just supposition and guessing.
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Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
February 23 2011 07:29 GMT
#36
Personally I think the "just pay the 10 bucks for VODs" attitude is doomed to failure when there is competition coming up. Most of the Starcraft fans arent the ones who can afford to pay 5-10$ at every corner, so if everyone of these competitions is as restrictive as GOM with the VODs they will split the fanbase into one part which watches GOM and another which watches NASL. That is counterproductive to the whole "lets get eSports to grow big with Starcraft 2" motto which everyone writes on their banner.

So IMO the whole funding for leagues and such HAS TO switch to commercial / sponsor based funding instead of viewer payment based. GOM needs to realize this IMO or they will lose out on the international market.

A restream might also make sense technologically since that will take some part of the traffic and shift it to later times and thus it might help reducing the lag of the stream.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
February 23 2011 07:29 GMT
#37
vods are enough and not expensive
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
February 23 2011 07:30 GMT
#38
On February 23 2011 16:27 Subversive wrote:
Depends what the cost of restreaming is for them as a business. Without knowing their costs and income, there's no way to say it's obviously better or worse. Everything else is just supposition and guessing.


If they don't get viewers, the bandwidth is minimal. If they do, then cool shit it worked. They don't have to get the studio going or anything, it's just streaming a video which is silly easy for a company like GOM.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
February 23 2011 07:31 GMT
#39
LoL so GSL is using all the ticket money to upgrade their infrastructure, increase their vod and stream quality and pay for bandwidth costs as well as hiring MORE english casters and people still complain that they cant get a free stream thats convenient for them.

Just pay the ticket money or stay up. OR you can watch NASL or ESL or any of the countless 100 dollar weekly cups.
HaNdFisH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:40:53
February 23 2011 07:37 GMT
#40
On February 23 2011 16:26 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Not even that. Just restream the whole thing, you use the GOM player and everything. Like say they restream at 7pm my time, I know at 7pm every single day I can go to GOM and hit that live button and it'll be just like I am watching it at 4am, but I don't have to be insane to be up at 7pm.


Oh I see, initially I would have said just watch the VOD's, but that isn't quite the same. Personally I watch the GSL stream (or other live streams) while discussing the games with friends on either msn/vent. While you would lose the "live" factor, you could still have the video synced up so that sort of interaction can still happen, which is a real pain with VOD's.

I can't imagine it would be too hard on GSL's infrastructure either, would be in a way splitting their load so it should possibly improve stream reliability.

edit* Voted yes, but I wouldn't tune in as the current GSL time is ideal for Australia

Wouldn't mind some restreams of like say NASL at good times for Australia though.
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