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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:02 Frankon wrote: You picking all the map for EG masters laptop series is any diffrent? ;-P that makes no sense at all, but if they wanna come play on korea and choose the maps thats fine with me | ||
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TheGrimace
United States929 Posts
On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote: poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to Why would you support match fixing? Even if it has a practical purpose, say gaming a system to get a computer, why would you want to support players not playing to the best of their ability? Would you have let qxc win the laptop this past weekend if he offered you $600? I mean, if he could game the system like that, it's win/win right? | ||
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:01 cnas wrote: Yeah, kind of like EG Masters. Imagine you were to compete with iNcontrol or someone else in the team. It must be hard for the audience to not think its a fixed game if they win the laptop. Anyway, some tournaments are made up like this, this community should be able to handle it without turning to fraudulence As far as I know EG members do not get to compete with Idra for the laptop when winning the finals. Simply changing the rule to "the player with most tournament wins in a year gets the pc" would have solved the issue already. | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:02 Frankon wrote: You picking all the map for EG masters laptop series is any diffrent? ;-P Poor poor qxc. He's one of the few foreigners that can take games off IdrA too. . . | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Anyways, it would be fun if Jinro or Haypro showed up for the tournaments after reading this and took all the prizes and the computer just because they can. =D | ||
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cnas
Sweden640 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:05 DizzyDrone wrote: which is probably why if an EG member wins the EG finals they do not compete with Idra for the laptop? nice try though Oh, i didn't know that rule, makes a bunch of sense.  | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
In a later article, rakaka got in touch with Inferno Online's owner Anton "Budak" Budak, who had the following to say: "No throwaway games, the slightest suspicion and they'll be banned for life". He added: "I decide, and nothing unsportsmanlike is allowed". | ||
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Askesis
216 Posts
On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote: poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to I agree that the tournament setup is bad, but you are actually condoning and encouraging match-fixing? Just because the opportunity is right there in front of them doesn't mean that they should take it. Because the structure can make cheating tempting, then it is alright to cheat? I don't agree with that. | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
That's why people crying "terrible!", "cheaters!" and so on can't be taken seriously. Because they're being hypocritical without even realizing it. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:03 dakalro wrote: There is no prize pool, it was never intended to give the 4k PC away, it's there just for show, to attract the 2 pros and a ton of idiot customers. That's the entire point of it. Put on the huge fireworks show, present some huge diamond to attract the crowd, get the money and run, no actual cost for it. It may not be bait and switch exactly but it's damn close to it, chances of someone winning 11/18 with 2 huge favorites and chance that they would lose 1-2 finals are so small it's worth the risk. How do you think casinos make money? They have the setup out in the open for everyone to see, if they win 11/18 tournaments they get the PC. Pretty clear imo. It is not like if Morrow plays and legitimatly wins 11 times he wont get the PC. Is it a "bait"-prize? Yeah ofc, just as all King of the Hill tournaments are, they reward one player dominating others. That is the setup of KotH-tournaments/competitions. Everyone knows this! I dont see you going into Gisados KotH-stream thread and start whining about it being to hard to win the max prize and it is unfair to the players just a bait. Setup is KotH. Dont like the setup? Dont play the tournament! | ||
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Tone_
United Kingdom554 Posts
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:11 Tone_ wrote: Based on their excuses they can matchfix all they want. But it's going to make me and I'd imagine a lot of others less interested and respectful of them as players. No ones interested in watching you or hearing about you earning money, they want to see Starcraft. This is why the thread title needs to be changed. The tournament hasn't even started yet. It is horribly skewed. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:09 ParasitJonte wrote: It just amazes me that a significant amount of people don't seem to realize that they're still going ahead as planned, just with a slightly different strategy. Somehow, that new strategy doesn't seem as offensive to people. That's why people crying "terrible!", "cheaters!" and so on can't be taken seriously. Because they're being hypocritical without even realizing it. I belive now only one player will play in the tournament? Do not see how that is slightly different or hypocritical. One player winning by himself just normally is one thing. Two players working together in a 1vs1 tournament, throwing matches in order to ramp up the prize ladder is something completely different. You could say that instead of facing Sjow in the finals now Morrow will face someone else he will just dominate and in the end it will still be 11 wins for him, but one setup is fine and well within the rules, the other is not. It is like saying it is okay for a athlete to use steriods since he would win anyways so end results would be the same. The difference is not the end result, it is fair play. | ||
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DennyR
Germany379 Posts
There is no betting involved. Its obviously not accectable if anything like this happens in another scenario, but both make it into the final the legit way, then why not give morrow the fucking computer if sjow doesnt need it? Dimaga and Dimuslim did it serveral times when they faced each other in the finals. Sometimes they swapped races and I bet they shared the pricemoney. Nobody complained. So nobody of you should really complain. The only guys allowed to complain are touramentorganizers. If they ban them for not playing 100% then its fine, because it takes away the attractiveness of their cups and finals. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:09 ParasitJonte wrote: It just amazes me that a significant amount of people don't seem to realize that they're still going ahead as planned, just with a slightly different strategy. Somehow, that new strategy doesn't seem as offensive to people. That's why people crying "terrible!", "cheaters!" and so on can't be taken seriously. Because they're being hypocritical without even realizing it. Cause now this new strategy isn't matchfixing. There will not be any throw down games. If he wins by playing with other players that aren't "helping" him with wining thats ok | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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cnas
Sweden640 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:13 decemberscalm wrote: This is why the thread title needs to be changed. The tournament hasn't even started yet. It is horribly skewed. Well if they do this now, and don't even try to hide it from the stream(!), there's no doubt it could be just an everyday thing for them. I don't see their (sjows) answers as like they did anything wrong or even thought it was wrong. So let's say my country removed the law for stealing, does that mean that i can now go rob every person i know? No, I still think it's morally wrong, and i don't need a law to tell me that. Saying that it's the tournaments fault is just morally questionable in my mind. | ||
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
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Askesis
216 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:03 dakalro wrote: There is no prize pool, it was never intended to give the 4k PC away, it's there just for show, to attract the 2 pros and a ton of idiot customers. That's the entire point of it. Put on the huge fireworks show, present some huge diamond to attract the crowd, get the money and run, no actual cost for it. It may not be bait and switch exactly but it's damn close to it, chances of someone winning 11/18 with 2 huge favorites and chance that they would lose 1-2 finals are so small it's worth the risk. How do you think casinos make money? Think about it this way. The chance that one of them would get the PC at even skill is once every 2k+ tournaments like this ....................................................... First of all, you are acting like the 6k computer is the only prize, and that if you don't win 11 of the 18 tournaments, you don't get anything. This isn't true, but even if it was, SO WHAT? That's the way they structured the tournament, that's the way they advertised it, and everybody knows what to expect. If you want to play in the tournament, do it. If you don't feel the format is worth it, then don't play in them. Where does it come into play that players have the right to cheat the tournament because they don't like the structure? This is a tournament that they are voluntarily playing. People have this sense of entitlement when they really aren't owed a damn thing. And casinos make money because of math. They have a slight edge in all of their games, so even though many times people will walk out of the casino winners on the night, the casino will always win in the long run. However, I'm not quite sure what that has to do with this thread, to be honest. | ||
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Ozu
Sweden66 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:04 TheGrimace wrote: Why would you support match fixing? Even if it has a practical purpose, say gaming a system to get a computer, why would you want to support players not playing to the best of their ability? Would you have let qxc win the laptop this past weekend if he offered you $600? I mean, if he could game the system like that, it's win/win right? Why would a player make such a suggestion before playing the match though? If he wins he'll get the laptop for free. If he loses, he can then ask if he can buy it. Nothing strange there. This situation is a bit different, though IOL only have themselves to blame for setting up a system like this. On December 22 2010 20:06 Subversion wrote: Adding this to OP: In a later article, rakaka got in touch with Inferno Online's owner Anton "Budak" Budak, who had the following to say: "No throwaway games, the slightest suspicion and they'll be banned for life". He added: "I decide, and nothing unsportsmanlike is allowed". Heh, that was just a text message convo, not exactly a serious official statement -- "slightest suspicion->banned 4 life" should give it away :D Budak also added in the comments field: "but what a news item, hahaha starting to like rakaka" and later "it was a pr coup :D" | ||
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