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robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
December 22 2010 18:13 GMT
#961
In my opinion the casual sc2 spectators need to man up if they want to label sc2 an e-sport.

A legitimate e-sport does not condone matchfixing. It does not QQ about MLG's tourney format, it does not feel it is justified for GSL to organize the ro64 brackets however they want for an open qualifier just to make better profit for themselves.

A legitimate e-sport holds itself to the highest level of integrity.
True skill comes without effort.
Doriboi
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States181 Posts
December 22 2010 18:13 GMT
#962
On December 23 2010 03:09 Danjoh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2010 02:46 Treemonkeys wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 23 2010 02:28 MorroW wrote:
when we saw this event we quickly realized if both if us played it and won half of the tours then we wouldnt get the computer (there are about 16 tours and need 11 tour wins to get the computer). assuming we would win half of these each which would make us 3 steps away from getting it

so we asked maven if it was allowed to play the finals and give the win to the other player even if someone else won. for example if me and sjow met in finals and then we stacked all wins to sjows "thorphy table". he said he was ok and i thought it was ok going to IOL on the bus but when i got there it was not the case. we were not allowed to stack all wins to 1 player

in all honesty im far from a cheater, i have never cheated in my life and im a serious gamer.
i thought i could keep the stream on because its not like were gonna talk anything dirty about cheating. we were just honestly asking the admins of the tournament if it was allowed to give the wins to 1 player if we met in the finals. which was not allowed

and from here rakaka took over and made the story alot more interesting than it actually is haha

if its allowed by the admins to split wins like that then u shouldnt call the gamers cheaters or anything, then you should complaint to the admins and orga for allowing it to happen. me and sjow are good friends and we knew we would be the far superior players at this backdoor neighbour events thats why we wanted to work together so we wouldnt sabotage each other so nobody of us would get the computer, it actually makes alot of sense.

you cant blame players for things they do might be boring or lame, just when i abused reapers in the IEM germany, its imbalanced and i said it myself but you shouldnt call me a lame player for doing it, you should put the blame on the game for being imbalanced. its quite the same concept if u think about it really

me and sjow came to a new conclusion now anyway and we decided only 1 player should stay and play these tournaments and it turns out to be sjow. just to make it extra clear only 1 of us plays this because if both plays it theres a big risk neither of us gets the computer and that would be such a tragedy

lets just cheer for sjow to get the computer asap. if the cs players get 11 wins before sjow does, then they will take both the computers they have on their giveout and once sjow reach 11 wins he wont get any computer. thats why its so important that 1 person wins all tours in a row

many are talking about rigging games as in acting the finals when one player plays on purpose badly so he loses. we were never going to do this ofcourse. we were gonna play finals and have a nice time and let the best player win, and then give the actual prize wins to 1 person.

this is not anything like koreas match making scandal^^
ive been a member of the sc community for a long time and ive been a very mannered and competitive one aswell with high goals in the game.
it would never come to me to cheat in events and thats why i wanted to make sure with the admins it was allowed to pile up all wins on 1 person because personally i thought it sounded silly and didnt believe we would be allowed to do so, which turned out to be true.

just wanna give a big cheers to inferno online they have let me practice there for over a month for free and hosting such awesome events. i wish the guys who participate in it the best of luck and ill leave sjow to this one

i never meant to do anything that i knew was wrong. we were told it was allowed but once i got there it was completely different. all we have done really is just to ask if something was allowed by the admins and they said it was ok and will work something out, and later on changing their mind and then rakaka took it from there


Oh please, you are really going to bring balance into this discussion?

The fact is you were looking to match fix to get an easy computer. You were looking for the easiest way to get the prize, by slacking off competition. To make it worse you were doing this on a "small" no name tournament where the two of you could clean house.

Yeah financially we know how it makes sense. It's obvious, but don't talk about how you are a serious gamer when you just explained in depth how you were going blow off competition, blow off the game, to get the prize as easy as possible. You aren't a serious gamer, you just want the prize, even if you can get it by not even playing.

Yes, why should we let the accused person speak?
We all should just speculate what happened based on reports from a 3rd party site that wasn't there when it happened and is known for cherry picking quotes and blowing things out of proportion. And then we should all decide on a suitable punishment for what the rumours said he might have done if he wasn't "caught".

Sounds completely reasonable.

/irony



Sure Morrow should have his due process. But freedom of the press is also valued as well. By Sjow's and Ipp's statements, there was a discussion that happened and they have the right to report the story. It doesn't sound like the quotes were cherry picked. It looks like journalism at work.
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Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 18:16:07
December 22 2010 18:14 GMT
#963
On December 23 2010 03:00 mango_destroyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2010 02:53 Random() wrote:
I wonder why people had no problems with Koreans throwing matches at WCG to avoid eliminating each other, but suddenly some guys trying to abuse the system in a local tournament should be lynched.

In my opinion it is as much the organizer's fault as it is theirs. There should not be any incentive to throw matches just because of the tournament's format.


There is NO incentive to throw matches. The point of this tournament`s format is to reward a player that actually is dominant (11/18). If they believe they can`t do that against each other than they don`t deserve it period. It cheapens the competitive spirit if they try to arrange anything just to get the prize.


Well, don't give full information about the requirements to win that prize then so that it cannot be easily exploited. Don't tell the actual number of wins required, or make it so that the one who wins most tournaments gets it. Or make the one with most wins and the one with second most wins fight in a BO7 for that prize.

It is kind of obvious that if there is a pool of players such that there are two whose skill levels are approximately equal to each other but much higher than anyone else's they may feel that it is only right that one of them gets that prize because one of them most probably would if it weren't for the other.

I agree that such behaviour may not be too sportsmanlike, but it is quite logical if you ask me.
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
December 22 2010 18:16 GMT
#964
I honestly don't understand what all the drama is about. If I were in their shoes I would have made the same choice. If they both play and split the wins, they both lose. If only one plays and wins, they both win. They asked if one of them could forfeit their wins, so what? The 11 win rule is a completely idiotic rule in the first place. In the end no one fixed a single match and one of them dropped out of the tournament, boo hoo.
Hatsu
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom474 Posts
December 22 2010 18:16 GMT
#965
I can see something like this working in a King of the Hill tournament. Gotta give it a try!
Sedit qui timuit ne non succederet
Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States535 Posts
December 22 2010 18:18 GMT
#966
Just close the thread, they wanted to split the prize not throw away games. Only one of them is competing and everything has been explained the only thing left that will be said are from people who have preformed negative opinions about Morrow and Sjow and will just use this thread as another reason to complain.
Live it up.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 22 2010 18:18 GMT
#967
On December 23 2010 02:28 MorroW wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
when we saw this event we quickly realized if both if us played it and won half of the tours then we wouldnt get the computer (there are about 16 tours and need 11 tour wins to get the computer). assuming we would win half of these each which would make us 3 steps away from getting it

so we asked maven if it was allowed to play the finals and give the win to the other player even if someone else won. for example if me and sjow met in finals and then we stacked all wins to sjows "thorphy table". he said he was ok and i thought it was ok going to IOL on the bus but when i got there it was not the case. we were not allowed to stack all wins to 1 player

in all honesty im far from a cheater, i have never cheated in my life and im a serious gamer.
i thought i could keep the stream on because its not like were gonna talk anything dirty about cheating. we were just honestly asking the admins of the tournament if it was allowed to give the wins to 1 player if we met in the finals. which was not allowed

and from here rakaka took over and made the story alot more interesting than it actually is haha

if its allowed by the admins to split wins like that then u shouldnt call the gamers cheaters or anything, then you should complaint to the admins and orga for allowing it to happen. me and sjow are good friends and we knew we would be the far superior players at this backdoor neighbour events thats why we wanted to work together so we wouldnt sabotage each other so nobody of us would get the computer, it actually makes alot of sense.

you cant blame players for things they do might be boring or lame, just when i abused reapers in the IEM germany, its imbalanced and i said it myself but you shouldnt call me a lame player for doing it, you should put the blame on the game for being imbalanced. its quite the same concept if u think about it really

me and sjow came to a new conclusion now anyway and we decided only 1 player should stay and play these tournaments and it turns out to be sjow. just to make it extra clear only 1 of us plays this because if both plays it theres a big risk neither of us gets the computer and that would be such a tragedy

lets just cheer for sjow to get the computer asap. if the cs players get 11 wins before sjow does, then they will take both the computers they have on their giveout and once sjow reach 11 wins he wont get any computer. thats why its so important that 1 person wins all tours in a row

many are talking about rigging games as in acting the finals when one player plays on purpose badly so he loses. we were never going to do this ofcourse. we were gonna play finals and have a nice time and let the best player win, and then give the actual prize wins to 1 person.

this is not anything like koreas match making scandal^^
ive been a member of the sc community for a long time and ive been a very mannered and competitive one aswell with high goals in the game.
it would never come to me to cheat in events and thats why i wanted to make sure with the admins it was allowed to pile up all wins on 1 person because personally i thought it sounded silly and didnt believe we would be allowed to do so, which turned out to be true.

just wanna give a big cheers to inferno online they have let me practice there for over a month for free and hosting such awesome events. i wish the guys who participate in it the best of luck and ill leave sjow to this one

i never meant to do anything that i knew was wrong. we were told it was allowed but once i got there it was completely different. all we have done really is just to ask if something was allowed by the admins and they said it was ok and will work something out, and later on changing their mind and then rakaka took it from there

Thank you for this explanation. It originally appeared like the potential matches would not be played seriously, but if they were and only the prize would be divided, then I don't think it affects the competition at all. Some of you might not believe him, but MorroW deserves the benefit of the doubt in this community.

I'm locking this thread, as that seems to conclude everything unless some awesome new development occurs. Maybe the next ESPORTS drama can be a sex scandal?
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