On December 22 2010 20:22 KonohaFlash wrote:
Does anyone know what the actual computer they're competing for is? I've been searching around and can't for the life of me find it, even on the IOL Page.

Mintastic

United States166 Posts

December 22 2010 11:25 GMT

#542

Unlike other types of matchfixing I think I'm okay with this one. If they both went 100% into it and got 50-50 on the results then neither would end up getting the prize. This way they're guaranteeing that at least one of them gets the prize for all their hard work. The tournament structure is flawed in that they have to do this just to get the prize instead of making it so that whoever wins majority of the daily tournaments get the prize.

Askesis

216 Posts

December 22 2010 11:26 GMT

#543

On December 22 2010 20:09 ParasitJonte wrote:
It just amazes me that a significant amount of people don't seem to realize that they're still going ahead as planned, just with a slightly different strategy. Somehow, that new strategy doesn't seem as offensive to people.

That's why people crying "terrible!", "cheaters!" and so on can't be taken seriously. Because they're being hypocritical without even realizing it.

What do you want us to do? Call them cheaters because Morrow isn't playing, opening the door for Sjow to take them all? I mean, we all know what's going on, but what can we do? People are getting flamed for calling them cheaters for trying to match-fix, yet you want people to call them cheaters for Morrow not playing in the tourny?

But wouldn't the same thing also apply to every good player who is not participating in the tournament?

OnFire

324 Posts

December 22 2010 11:27 GMT

#544

Fuck them. Ban them both for life.

User was warned for this post

Askesis

216 Posts

December 22 2010 11:28 GMT

#545

On December 22 2010 20:25 Mintastic wrote:
Unlike other types of matchfixing I think I'm okay with this one. If they both went 100% into it and got 50-50 on the results then neither would end up getting the prize. This way they're guaranteeing that at least one of them gets the prize for all their hard work. The tournament structure is flawed in that they have to do this just to get the prize instead of making it so that whoever wins majority of the daily tournaments get the prize.

The structure isn't flawed. That's the way it is intended. Yes, they are "guaranteeing" that at least one of them gets that prize by cheating the system. THAT is the problem!

TheRecliner

Sweden103 Posts

December 22 2010 11:30 GMT

#546

On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote:
poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to

Wow. Blows my mind that you support match fixing to the point where its stupid not to if you can.

DND_Enkil

Sweden598 Posts

December 22 2010 11:31 GMT

#547

On December 22 2010 20:19 Defacer wrote:
I'm sure that this was explained poorly somewhere, but it sounds as if this magical grand prize doesn't get delivered unless someone meets some kind messed up condition beyond being first ... ?

http://www.infernoonline.com/?cat=forstasidan&page=nyheter

Each night for 18 nights there is a tournament. If you win the tournament one night you get a prize. If you win another night you go up in the prize ladder and get a better prize for the second win. And so on. So if you win the tournament 7 times you would get 7 prizes, each slightly better than the previous one.

The biggest prize is for winning 11 tournaments. This would be quite a feat.

Also that means that if two players meet in the finals 10 times and normally would go roughly 50% against each other they would both get prizes 1-5. If one players agrees to throw all final games the other player would get prizes 1-10 (worth a lot more cash than two sets of prizes ranging 1-5). That was what Morrow and Sjow wanted to do and then share the prizes between them.

kirkybaby

Korea (South)781 Posts

December 22 2010 11:33 GMT

#548

This is really disappointing. I'm not sure which hurts me worse, this or the Korean scandal but it just shows that integrity is a rare thing these days, and true competition suffers because of the scandalous deeds of a few inconsiderate people.

Dagobert

Netherlands1858 Posts

December 22 2010 11:33 GMT

#549

Hahahahaha. Talking about matchfixing on stream. Prizeless.

TBO

Germany1350 Posts

December 22 2010 11:34 GMT

#550

Tournament organizers should stick to formats which can't be abused. There is a reason last group stage matches in FIFA Worlcup are at the same time (to avoid another "Shame of Gijón" - Germany and Austria both advanced if germany won 1-0 but not higher - and that is was happened, they were obviously not punished for it because it was not against any rules). The Alternative is to just allow this things officially to happen (see Formula 1).

What Morrow and Sjow did might have been morally wrong from some standpoints but if they really asked the admins before if this was okay (which the admins said it wasn't) and then decided to change their strategy to something which is inside the rules of the tournament I don't see what they did wrong. There should never be Thoughtcrime.

Cor Aut Mors

United States6 Posts

December 22 2010 11:35 GMT

#551

this has been blown way out of proportion

from what I've read, if either plays individually, without the other competing, his chances of winning are extremely high

however, if they both compete, the chances of winning are virtually nothing

an 18 tournament scheme is a very long endeavor to walk away empty handed

the two both wish to compete, and try to think of a way to do so without screwing each other
they ask the tournament officials if their plan is viable, officials say no
once they realize that it is unviable to do so, one drops out to let the other win

condeming them for cheating is irrational/illogical
to continue with the theft metaphor, this is more along the lines of approaching someone and asking "hey is it ok if I steal from you? ... No? ... Ok, no big deal, I'll be leaving now."

djengizz

Netherlands42 Posts

December 22 2010 11:36 GMT

#552

On December 22 2010 20:30 TheRecliner wrote:

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Wow. Blows my mind that you support match fixing to the point where its stupid not to if you can.

Same here, i thought you had higher standards. Guess i was wrong.

If a tournament structure sucks you shouldn't play it. If you're better than anyone else you should crush it and win.

You shouldn't throw matches to get an advantage, that's cheating.

Askesis

216 Posts

December 22 2010 11:36 GMT

#553

So, most importantly, did Sjow win the first tournament?

It would be funny if after "being a lock for the finals in all 18", he didn't win the first one.

peachsncream

United States289 Posts

December 22 2010 11:37 GMT

#554

I don't understand why everybody gets so upset about this... honestly it isn't a big deal.

TheBanana

Norway2183 Posts

December 22 2010 11:40 GMT

#555

On December 22 2010 20:36 Askesis wrote:
So, most importantly, did Sjow win the first tournament?

It would be funny if after "being a lock for the finals in all 18", he didn't win the first one.

Someone wrote somewhere in this thread that neither of them played in the first one.

Frankon

3054 Posts

December 22 2010 11:41 GMT

#556

On December 22 2010 20:37 peachsncream wrote:
I don't understand why everybody gets so upset about this... honestly it isn't a big deal.

i think you dont get it. Its not that they share winnings. they planned to are artifically boost the number of won torunaments to get better bonus prices, by forfeting in the other finals.
It would be like first tournament final Morrow vs Sjow. Sjow wins.
Next final would be the same (at least that is what Morrow and Sjow were thinking) and you would know the winner before thay play. Sjow would win yet again ^^

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

December 22 2010 11:41 GMT

#557

On December 22 2010 20:34 TBO wrote:
Tournament organizers should stick to formats which can't be abused. There is a reason last group stage matches in FIFA Worlcup are at the same time (to avoid another "Shame of Gijón" - Germany and Austria both advanced if germany won 1-0 but not higher - and that is was happened, they were obviously not punished for it because it was not against any rules). The Alternative is to just allow this things officially to happen (see Formula 1).

What Morrow and Sjow did might have been morally wrong from some standpoints but if they really asked the admins before if this way okay (which the admins said it wasn't) and then decided to change their strategy to something which is inside the rules of the tournament I don't see what they did wrong. There should never be Thoughtcrime.

This, in a nutshell.

I wish people would just chill out instead of going on a self righteous forum quest every time a pro gamer or anybody remotely well-known doesn't satisfy their "moral standards". Internet communities nowadays. =/

Sorkoas

549 Posts

December 22 2010 11:43 GMT

#558

What sickens me the most is how SjoW refuses to believe he's acting wrong by going through with this. After all discussions at IRC, at rakaka and here at TL he still doesn't understand that he's abusing Inferno Online's promotion by making it much easier to secure a prize which is not supposed to be easy to reach. He's also ignoring the fact that if a third skilled player would show up aiming at winning as many tournaments as possible, he wouldn't compete on the same terms as Sjow and MorroW when they agree on not giving each other a fight for it but instead lose to each other, especiall during later stages of the tournament while they give their best versus a supposed third player. Besides them having a much easier way to getting all those 11 tournament wins...

KonohaFlash

Canada1590 Posts

December 22 2010 11:44 GMT

#559

I guess MorroW didn't think what him and Sjow were doing was necessarily bad considering he actually had the balls to discuss their plan whilst streaming.