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On December 22 2010 20:40 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:36 Askesis wrote:
So, most importantly, did Sjow win the first tournament?
It would be funny if after "being a lock for the finals in all 18", he didn't win the first one. Someone wrote somewhere in this thread that neither of them played in the first one.
Oh? I thought I had read that only one (Sjow) competed.
If neither competed, i think it's a bit suspicious. Why would they go from trying to cooperate to run through the easy field, and then in response have NEITHER of them play? I figured one of them dropped out in order for the other to have an easy run through the gauntlet. If both of them dropped out, then....well, I would not think they would both voluntarily sit out of this easy-field tournament for a very significant grand prize, let's put it that way.
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Im a safe guy, I wouldve never let the stream run.
I have to say it doesn't sound that bad after I read it. Pretty much because I can actually understand why. If someone could win a prize they wouldve just played. But there's all these restrictions to it. Being they are pro, spend a lot of time playing, they wanna make sure they can profit from playing, otherwise they might say, well its not worth my time (as indicated by one of the comments to have only 1 person play). So I feel the system is set up really poorly however if only one couldve won they shouldve just decided that only one of them was gonna play.
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On December 22 2010 20:36 djengizz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:30 TheRecliner wrote:On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote:
poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to
Wow. Blows my mind that you support match fixing to the point where its stupid not to if you can. Same here, i thought you had higher standards. Guess i was wrong. If a tournament structure sucks you shouldn't play it. If you're better than anyone else you should crush it and win. You shouldn't throw matches to get an advantage, that's cheating.
I dont think IdrA meant to say he supported match fixing at all, i feel the same way, if you can control the outcome itd be stupid not to, esp with the way this tournament is set up.
Just because i think its stupid not to, doesnt mean i support match fixing.
I dont know if IdrA is in the same boat as me, but i dont think he meant to say he supports match fixing.
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On December 22 2010 20:31 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:19 Defacer wrote:
I'm sure that this was explained poorly somewhere, but it sounds as if this magical grand prize doesn't get delivered unless someone meets some kind messed up condition beyond being first ... ? http://www.infernoonline.com/?cat=forstasidan&page=nyheter+ Show Spoiler +
Each night for 18 nights there is a tournament. If you win the tournament one night you get a prize. If you win another night you go up in the prize ladder and get a better prize for the second win. And so on. So if you win the tournament 7 times you would get 7 prizes, each slightly better than the previous one.
The biggest prize is for winning 11 tournaments. This would be quite a feat.
Also that means that if two players meet in the finals 10 times and normally would go roughly 50% against each other they would both get prizes 1-5. If one players agrees to throw all final games the other player would get prizes 1-10 (worth a lot more cash than two sets of prizes ranging 1-5). That was what Morrow and Sjow wanted to do and then share the prizes between them.
Ah, there's the sight. I'll summarize the prices...
# of wins - Price
1 - 250kr (25€) gift certificate
2 - Steelseries Mousepad
3 - Steelseries headphones (XAI/7H, pick one out of the 2)
4 - Steelseries Keyboard
5 - Tony Hawk SHRED (PS3 game)
6 - Guitar Hero: Warroirs of rock (PS3 game)
7 - DJ Hero 2
8 - 21,5" Phillipcs LCD monitor
9 - Intel core i5-750 (+mobo, "Sweclockers recomend")
10 - Intel Core i7-908x (+mobo, "Worlds fastest CPU")
11 - HP Z800 computer, valued 40 000kr (4 000€)
And it says it costs 130kr (13€) to enter the tournament, it does not clarify if that's for all 18 tournaments, or if it's for each tournament. (Normal price is 2€ per hour). So the tournament isn't free to enter iether.
edit: so in my opinion. not until you get 8 wins you get something of actual value. Price 2-4, I already have mousepad, headphones and keyboard I'm happy with and don't plan to switch, 5-7 are games I probably wouldn't play even if I got them for free.
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On December 22 2010 20:24 Ozu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:04 TheGrimace wrote:On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote:
poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to
Why would you support match fixing? Even if it has a practical purpose, say gaming a system to get a computer, why would you want to support players not playing to the best of their ability? Would you have let qxc win the laptop this past weekend if he offered you $600? I mean, if he could game the system like that, it's win/win right? Why would a player make such a suggestion before playing the match though? If he wins he'll get the laptop for free. If he loses, he can then ask if he can buy it. Nothing strange there.
I was specifically referring to IdrA and the EG Master's Cup this weekend. If IdrA won the show match, no one got the laptop. If qxc won, he got a laptop. So my question still stands. If qxc offered $600 to win the $1600 (I believe that was the price) laptop, would IdrA have accepted?
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On December 22 2010 20:30 TheRecliner wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote:
poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to
Wow. Blows my mind that you support match fixing to the point where its stupid not to if you can.
You're raping face and helping out a friend? Who wouldn't agree to that? seriously. Are your feelings hurt cause they want to share something ?
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On December 22 2010 20:43 Sorkoas wrote:
What sickens me the most is how SjoW refuses to believe he's acting wrong by going through with this. After all discussions at IRC, at rakaka and here at TL he still doesn't understand that he's abusing Inferno Online's promotion by making it much easier to secure a prize which is not supposed to be easy to reach. He's also ignoring the fact that if a third skilled player would show up aiming at winning as many tournaments as possible, he wouldn't compete on the same terms as Sjow and MorroW when they agree on not giving each other a fight for it but instead lose to each other, especiall during later stages of the tournament while they give their best versus a supposed third player. Besides them having a much easier way to getting all those 11 tournament wins...
While I agree what they did/wanted to do is wrong, its dosent effect the other players (3rd)..
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Dont this kind of deal happend in poker alot? Two player going heads up and just shaking hands on splitting the 1st and 2nd price equally between each other and just folding the hand ending the tournament.
TBH, who cares? The tournament format is VERY open to stuff like this, why be surprised that they want to earn money and a computer. Instead of just going away with a few bucks each they both can get alot more by just "tweaking" their play abit.
Im not surprised, nor upset. I blame the tournament, not the players.
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On December 22 2010 20:48 TheGrimace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:24 Ozu wrote:On December 22 2010 20:04 TheGrimace wrote:On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote:
poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to
Why would you support match fixing? Even if it has a practical purpose, say gaming a system to get a computer, why would you want to support players not playing to the best of their ability? Would you have let qxc win the laptop this past weekend if he offered you $600? I mean, if he could game the system like that, it's win/win right? Why would a player make such a suggestion before playing the match though? If he wins he'll get the laptop for free. If he loses, he can then ask if he can buy it. Nothing strange there. I was specifically referring to IdrA and the EG Master's Cup this weekend. If IdrA won the show match, no one got the laptop. If qxc won, he got a laptop. So my question still stands. If qxc offered $600 to win the $1600 (I believe that was the price) laptop, would IdrA have accepted?
No lol i mean if he did i would be very suprised that he would "risk" his carrier and other things, his Honour and pride his dignity... these are worth a shit lot more then 600 dollars buddy... Well to some of us anyway
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On December 22 2010 20:48 TheGrimace wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:24 Ozu wrote:On December 22 2010 20:04 TheGrimace wrote:On December 22 2010 19:57 IdrA wrote:
poor tournament design to set up the prize structure that way and if they're that much better than everyone else competing that they can control the outcomes itd be stupid of them not to
Why would you support match fixing? Even if it has a practical purpose, say gaming a system to get a computer, why would you want to support players not playing to the best of their ability? Would you have let qxc win the laptop this past weekend if he offered you $600? I mean, if he could game the system like that, it's win/win right? Why would a player make such a suggestion before playing the match though? If he wins he'll get the laptop for free. If he loses, he can then ask if he can buy it. Nothing strange there. I was specifically referring to IdrA and the EG Master's Cup this weekend. If IdrA won the show match, no one got the laptop. If qxc won, he got a laptop. So my question still stands. If qxc offered $600 to win the $1600 (I believe that was the price) laptop, would IdrA have accepted?
He's be stupid not to, according to his own logic
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It's not fixing, its just splitting the prize. Bit like when you get to final table at poker and you agree to split the pot. It's a thread full of nothings. What a waste of time
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On December 22 2010 20:40 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:36 Askesis wrote:
So, most importantly, did Sjow win the first tournament?
It would be funny if after "being a lock for the finals in all 18", he didn't win the first one. Someone wrote somewhere in this thread that neither of them played in the first one.
vOdToasT actually cleared up the whole situation a while ago.
-> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=178790¤tpage=5#83
After reading (the whole thread) I'd started to write another post explaining how the LAN/tournament is set up, how the players' scheme would be beneficial, and how it was kindof a moot point now that they've decided against it...
...but no one would read that. I don't even know what page this response will show up on. Quite a few spiteful posters on here, openly calling these players "scum" and all that.
EDIT: The hypothetical situation where qxc offers IdrA $$ in exchange for the laptop is laughable because IdrA throwing that game would likely have far-reaching repercussions regarding his sponsorship and his personal image. (Askesis...lol. Just lol.)
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On December 22 2010 20:49 TaKemE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:43 Sorkoas wrote:
What sickens me the most is how SjoW refuses to believe he's acting wrong by going through with this. After all discussions at IRC, at rakaka and here at TL he still doesn't understand that he's abusing Inferno Online's promotion by making it much easier to secure a prize which is not supposed to be easy to reach. He's also ignoring the fact that if a third skilled player would show up aiming at winning as many tournaments as possible, he wouldn't compete on the same terms as Sjow and MorroW when they agree on not giving each other a fight for it but instead lose to each other, especiall during later stages of the tournament while they give their best versus a supposed third player. Besides them having a much easier way to getting all those 11 tournament wins... While I agree what they did/wanted to do is wrong, its dosent effect the other players (3rd)..
Sure it does - if I wanted to win this thing I would have to defeat both Morrow and Sjow. They themselves don't have to really "beat" each other.
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Hope they get punished. If they aren't kicked out of that weekly tournament stuff it would be a damn shame.
Match fixing, cheating and so on. It all has to be punished hard and oh boy does that shit make me angry. Everyone who supports this or doesn't consider this to be any harmful at all needs a brain surgery.
Of course that all depends on whether this is true but it seems to be the case 100%.
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On December 22 2010 20:53 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Hope they get punished. If they aren't kicked out of that weekly tournament stuff it would be a damn shame.
Match fixing, cheating and so on. It all has to be punished hard and oh boy does that shit make me angry. Everyone who supports this or doesn't consider this to be any harmful at all needs a brain surgery.
Of course that all depends on whether this is true but it seems to be the case 100%.
Your wrong... they havent been match fixing get your facts right....
Yes they were talking about it but thats hardly the same as doing it.
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On December 22 2010 20:50 Eka wrote:
Dont this kind of deal happend in poker alot? Two player going heads up and just shaking hands on splitting the 1st and 2nd price equally between each other and just folding the hand ending the tournament.
TBH, who cares? The tournament format is VERY open to stuff like this, why be surprised that they want to earn money and a computer. Instead of just going away with a few bucks each they both can get alot more by just "tweaking" their play abit.
Im not surprised, nor upset. I blame the tournament, not the players.
No, this thing does not happen in poker regularly. It's strictly prohibited.
So I mean, how can we be mad at burglars either? Why be surprised that they want to acquire money, televisions, and a computer, instead of working minimum wage for a few bucks? They can get a lot more by just "tweaking" their employment a bit,
See what I did there?
It's not the thieves fault! It's the homeowners's fault for having valuables in the house!
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On December 22 2010 20:53 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:49 TaKemE wrote:On December 22 2010 20:43 Sorkoas wrote:
What sickens me the most is how SjoW refuses to believe he's acting wrong by going through with this. After all discussions at IRC, at rakaka and here at TL he still doesn't understand that he's abusing Inferno Online's promotion by making it much easier to secure a prize which is not supposed to be easy to reach. He's also ignoring the fact that if a third skilled player would show up aiming at winning as many tournaments as possible, he wouldn't compete on the same terms as Sjow and MorroW when they agree on not giving each other a fight for it but instead lose to each other, especiall during later stages of the tournament while they give their best versus a supposed third player. Besides them having a much easier way to getting all those 11 tournament wins... While I agree what they did/wanted to do is wrong, its dosent effect the other players (3rd).. Sure it does - if I wanted to win this thing I would have to defeat both Morrow and Sjow. They themselves don't have to really "beat" each other.
no, because regardless of whether they match fix or not, no one is going to beat them. if they match fix, youre 3rd, if they dont match fix, youre 3rd.
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On December 22 2010 20:53 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 20:49 TaKemE wrote:On December 22 2010 20:43 Sorkoas wrote:
What sickens me the most is how SjoW refuses to believe he's acting wrong by going through with this. After all discussions at IRC, at rakaka and here at TL he still doesn't understand that he's abusing Inferno Online's promotion by making it much easier to secure a prize which is not supposed to be easy to reach. He's also ignoring the fact that if a third skilled player would show up aiming at winning as many tournaments as possible, he wouldn't compete on the same terms as Sjow and MorroW when they agree on not giving each other a fight for it but instead lose to each other, especiall during later stages of the tournament while they give their best versus a supposed third player. Besides them having a much easier way to getting all those 11 tournament wins... While I agree what they did/wanted to do is wrong, its dosent effect the other players (3rd).. Sure it does - if I want to win this thing I have to defeat both Morrow and Sjow. They themselves don't have to really "beat" each other.
Exactly more cry babies attacking the comradeship of top players that deserve reward for their work, ie beating challengers.
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On December 22 2010 20:48 alexpnd wrote:
You're raping face and helping out a friend? Who wouldn't agree to that? seriously. Are your feelings hurt cause they want to share something ?
No my feelings arent hurt. I just know if I watch a sport I want to know theres 2 teams/persons actually competing.
If theres any doubt about the legitimacy of the sport and the integrity of the competition it has serious effects. You will lose fans. You will lose sponsors. It stunts the growth of the sport.
And yes I am absolutely aware this is "just one tournament and its not like its the GSL" but thats besides the point. If you start condoning it then it can pop up in any context and you have a tradition of rigging the sport.
To talk about helping a friend is completely bizarre. Its in fact not taking it seriously as a sport. Its just something that you and your buddies do then.
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On December 22 2010 20:52 ste0731 wrote:
It's not fixing, its just splitting the prize. Bit like when you get to final table at poker and you agree to split the pot. It's a thread full of nothings. What a waste of time
It is fixing, it's not just splitting the prize. It's nothing like when you get to final table at poker and you agree to split the pot. A post full of nothing. What a waste of time.
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