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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
People read up http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118212 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830 Good luck all! edit: your right Werk, apologies for being too serious I am just tired  XOXO | ||
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Werk
United States294 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:51 MassHysteria wrote: Ok I am done with this thread, too many misinformed people just throwing out what they think is how it works. (fatale you are ok) People read up http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118212 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830 Good luck all! but reading is hard!...plz don't take anything too serious i just wanted to know if anyone else is having these problems and ya know...share ideas = p | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
You do know how you get points every time you win and lose points every time you lose? Well, they have just won a lot more than you. "2k diamond" is just an indicator that he has collected 2000 points. What can you do? Play more, win more, learn more. | ||
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contraSol
United States185 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4558 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:49 Werk wrote: Someone posted that they wouldn't want to play a 3k diamond on his way up, but i think thats how it should be, i know its shitty getting raped by someone way better than u on their way up but winning non stop will fly him to the top so probably wont play him twice..why have a point system that wont keep up with your true skill level..i just think you should stomp people that have the same points in your division so u can work your way to the higher points....i know that means people who play not nearly as much will fall down the ladder but...blizzard hasn't been nice to people who don't put time into their games in the past.. No you see that doesn't work at all. The point of the game isn't crushing to catch up. You make it sound like your not going to catch-up without facing people lower than you are. You are catching up albeit at a fair but decent pace. Just because your points aren't reflective of your actual skill doesn't give you the excuse to bash on people who aren't at your level because you feel impatient. Other people worked hard to keep their rating, why should you get a free pass on top of bonus pool? | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4558 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:57 contraSol wrote: Why isn't playing people better than you a good thing? I'm ~2.2k plat and always excited to see "opponent slightly favored" when I get a game. It's good ofcourse. However you played "slightly favored" or "very favored" opponents nearly everygame you probably wont like your winrate after a while. Not only that but newer players aren't going to stick with a game they can't ever win. | ||
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Werk
United States294 Posts
On December 19 2010 19:00 FataLe wrote: No you see that doesn't work at all. The point of the game isn't crushing to catch up. You make it sound like your not going to catch-up without facing people lower than you are. You are catching up albeit at a fair but decent pace. Just because your points aren't reflective of your actual skill doesn't give you the excuse to bash on people who aren't at your level because you feel impatient. Other people worked hard to keep their rating, why should you get a free pass on top of bonus pool? hmmm yea i see what your saying...then i guess its just personal preference to not have the bonus pool. again i know this would kill people who don't play a lot..but it kills being stuck at a low score and trying to work your way up against people that are way higher scored | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
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mangoloid
100 Posts
And I think the conclusion of this thread is that bonus pool inflation is not fun. If you haven't been laddering everyday since release, you are probably nowhere near your "true" ladder ranking, and catching up is a serious pain. Season resets should fix this to a degree, but I still feel the bonus pool is something of a problem. (Where's the Bonus Pool is a Problem thread? I know there is one.) | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On December 19 2010 18:30 FataLe wrote: I disagree, you don't catch up in games played, but you do have to play a lot to use it up. That is only true if you don't improve during that play period which is unlikely. So your main argument against adding bonus pool to current points is that if you have played games necessarry to gain those 2k points you would have improved? First of all its not given you will improve even if you play a lot. it is likely though. But it is not relevant to what I claimed, I claimed that matchmaking sytstem pairs you with people of your skill level (which is proven) and that person you are paired with usually has the same amount of points as your points+bonus pool (if he has played a lot) Which basically means that matchmaking system is working as intended because people with same amount of points have the same MMR rating. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
On December 19 2010 19:37 infinity21 wrote: The problem with bonus pool is that I only get 11 + 11 points for beating a guy with 1100 rating higher than me (1800 vs 2900). I think Blizz really needs to implement a system to decrease MMR if a person doesn't play for a significant amount of time. Being away for 2+ months DOES deteriorate a person's skill and coming back after a long time to play, only to get crushed 10-20 games in a row before you start winning is not the best way to keep players who want to come back. i completely agree, but i suspect that blizzard does this to try to 'encourage' people to play the game more, i.e. consistently and frequently (which sucks balls for people who are either in school, or simply don't have a lot of time for sc). | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 19 2010 17:30 Werk wrote: It sucks knowing you should be ranked higher and telling your friends your a measly 1k diamond...sad panda... anyways, be nice to me TL peeps Since points are inflating with time and divisions have different point basses (i.e. 0 points in one division is the same as 300 in another) telling your friends your points is only a very rough estimate and only valid for a short amount of time. Blizzard optimized the ladder to reward causal players who want to climb up some ladder ranks not ladder points. In my humble opinion comparing ladder points does mean nothing until you also state your bonus pool, your division offset and the date. People talk a lot about points because they want to quantify skill and the points Blizzard gave us are the worst measure of skill except there is no other measure. | ||
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Werk
United States294 Posts
On December 19 2010 20:36 kmkkmk wrote: Since points are inflating with time and divisions have different point basses (i.e. 0 points in one division is the same as 300 in another) telling your friends your points is only a very rough estimate and only valid for a short amount of time. Blizzard optimized the ladder to reward causal players who want to climb up some ladder ranks not ladder points. In my humble opinion comparing ladder points does mean nothing until you also state your bonus pool, your division offset and the date. People talk a lot about points because they want to quantify skill and the points Blizzard gave us are the worst measure of skill except there is no other measure. It would be really nice if they had some sort of global rank system. If my points don't say how good i am, and my division rank DEF doesn't say how good i am....how am i suppose to compare myself to other players? Edit: I wanna be able to say "BLAH i'm 500 points better than you noob l2p!" and then have a pro walk up and call me a cheesy noobie hehe. If someone asks me "what skill level are you?" how do you answer when you have a moderate bonus pool but play 2000 diamonds? | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
hope this makes sense to you and helps | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4558 Posts
On December 19 2010 19:27 Jakalo wrote: So your main argument against adding bonus pool to current points is that if you have played games necessarry to gain those 2k points you would have improved? First of all its not given you will improve even if you play a lot. it is likely though. But it is not relevant to what I claimed, I claimed that matchmaking sytstem pairs you with people of your skill level (which is proven) and that person you are paired with usually has the same amount of points as your points+bonus pool (if he has played a lot) Which basically means that matchmaking system is working as intended because people with same amount of points have the same MMR rating. You're quoting the wrong post if you think that's my argument. Yes I said that. That might be true most of the time but it cannot be assumed as my other post pretty much negates it (I think, feel free to correct me) | ||
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Seraph.yongweihua
Canada224 Posts
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understandable
Korea (South)79 Posts
On December 19 2010 17:57 stochastic wrote: i hardly ever play (~400 diamond), but when i do, i get matched up against 1700+ diamond without fail. it's certainly a result of small sample size; comical nonetheless, and it really kills my desire to play u'll get better playing better people ^^ | ||
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qoiN
Sweden576 Posts
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ribboo
Sweden1842 Posts
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