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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 20 2010 02:44 GMT
#101
This is so obvoius.

You have bonus pool. Add your bonus pool to your points, those are your actual points(assuming 50% winrate, so your actual points are most likely even higher). If you're a 1k diamond with 1.1k bonus pool, you're a 2100 diamond. If you're being matched vs 2400s, it's working properly. Spend your bonus pool completely first, then make these kinds of threads.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Lucid90
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada340 Posts
December 20 2010 02:51 GMT
#102
Im 1600 diamond and I consistently play opponents that are between 2200 and 2500. I think it's because Im diamond and have 400+ games played. My guess is that the match making system checks how many games played, what's your level and what kind of opponents are similar to your skill and have similar amount of games played. I could be wrong though.
My sc2 account: http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1296221/LuciD
yesplz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States295 Posts
December 20 2010 02:54 GMT
#103
Why does your ladder rating really matter at all? Obviously if you're going 50/50 against those higher than you, you are somewhat even with them in skill. All ratings mean is how many games you play or if you got an early head start before other people.

Unless you're trying to get into tournaments that look at rating why does your rating matter to you? It's just a number...If your friends laugh just crush them in game and shut them up.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
December 20 2010 04:21 GMT
#104
On December 20 2010 10:13 kYem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 08:36 Effen wrote:
i think the biggest reason that most people cant get out of bronze/silver/gold/low diamond is that they watch all these guys like day9 and casters and replays and focus way to much on build orders and memorizing at exactly what supply you must do a certain action rather than just playing the game and figuring things out on the go.

every game is different and you need to learn how to beat things and what works when for YOU.


Really bad advise.


If you do one build good you will be in mid diamond in no time. if you can do it perfectly you can reach top diamond. Once you have one build ONLY then you should star adding aditional builds.

It doesn't matter if you have "10 builds" but every game its actually different... and in fact you cant do even one build correctly. Thats why most people cant move up because they play on the flow, meaning they do not improve because every time you in different situation and you don't know how to react vs opponent build.

If you try to figure out everything it's takes SO much time. Its not time effective use.


No, actually most top players (well really all of them) don't memorize build orders. Its not really good for your game sense to be memorizing lists. Instead pros are using timings such as "if I want 100 gas when my pool finishes I need to put 3 drones into gas 10 seconds before my pool starts." or "if I build an infester when my pathanogen glands is 60% done it will hatch with enough energy to fungal.

When you use this kind of knowledge it doesn't matter what build you are using, and you'll be a much better player for it.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
December 20 2010 12:57 GMT
#105
On December 20 2010 13:21 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 10:13 kYem wrote:
On December 20 2010 08:36 Effen wrote:
i think the biggest reason that most people cant get out of bronze/silver/gold/low diamond is that they watch all these guys like day9 and casters and replays and focus way to much on build orders and memorizing at exactly what supply you must do a certain action rather than just playing the game and figuring things out on the go.

every game is different and you need to learn how to beat things and what works when for YOU.


Really bad advise.


If you do one build good you will be in mid diamond in no time. if you can do it perfectly you can reach top diamond. Once you have one build ONLY then you should star adding aditional builds.

It doesn't matter if you have "10 builds" but every game its actually different... and in fact you cant do even one build correctly. Thats why most people cant move up because they play on the flow, meaning they do not improve because every time you in different situation and you don't know how to react vs opponent build.

If you try to figure out everything it's takes SO much time. Its not time effective use.


No, actually most top players (well really all of them) don't memorize build orders. Its not really good for your game sense to be memorizing lists. Instead pros are using timings such as "if I want 100 gas when my pool finishes I need to put 3 drones into gas 10 seconds before my pool starts." or "if I build an infester when my pathanogen glands is 60% done it will hatch with enough energy to fungal.

When you use this kind of knowledge it doesn't matter what build you are using, and you'll be a much better player for it.


exactly.
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
December 20 2010 16:19 GMT
#106
SC2 ladder is a joke, if they could at least show MMR only in Master league it would settle it for good.

Diamond league with it's points system is a joke right now, just play more and you'll have more pts.
Brood War is forever
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
December 20 2010 16:36 GMT
#107
I've been having something similar to the OP, however in addition to all the 2k diamonds i am facing (about 1400 diamond here), i also face 1-2 650ish point diamond players per 10 ladder games i play. This is confusing, as i don't know if my hidden MMR is near the 2k diamond level or closer to the 700 diamond level.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
EpicLord
Profile Joined December 2010
United States18 Posts
December 20 2010 16:41 GMT
#108
Holy crap, he is in my league. Hi there :O Also, it probably only looks like a huge discrepancy because you have a good amount of bonus pool. You just need to play a lot more games. Your MMR is even with those players, but you don't have the games to have a higher score. Play 150 more games, and it should even out
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Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-21 20:47:09
December 21 2010 20:46 GMT
#109
On December 21 2010 01:36 57 Corvette wrote:
I've been having something similar to the OP, however in addition to all the 2k diamonds i am facing (about 1400 diamond here), i also face 1-2 650ish point diamond players per 10 ladder games i play. This is confusing, as i don't know if my hidden MMR is near the 2k diamond level or closer to the 700 diamond level.


Trying to associate your MMR with a "point level" is a fundamentally flawed exercise. You cannot compare skill levels between players using the SC2 point system. The point system is directly designed to not give you any information about skill/MMR.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
December 21 2010 21:16 GMT
#110
i'm currently a 600 diamond w/ ~1700 bonus getting matched up against high 2000's.

i decided to sit down and play to use up my bonus pool points. as i playing, i get matched up against high diamonds and get +8 or +12, when i play mid 1000's, i get +22. i keep getting matched up against harder opponents yet i get lower points. this seems very pointless to me and deprived me of all motivation to play ladder. now i play my friend's account for noob bashing (i leave on purpose so i don't win)...this is more fun.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
majestouch
Profile Joined December 2010
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-21 21:28:53
December 21 2010 21:27 GMT
#111
every time I see a thread about stuck in xxxx or how do i get better or how do i get 200apm i face palm~
steps to get better:
1- pick 1 race and stick with it
2- figure out your "niche" or what buid orders you are comfortable with
3- watch day9 dailies and other commentators/analyzers
4- set small goals and accomplish each one before progressing to the next one inevitably getting better
5- repeat steps 2-4

Hope that helps and best of luck in your endeavor

ps day9 did a good little segment over looking at what caused you to lose a game not the last battle but earlier etc - in other words, i suggest watching your replays and see what first made you have an unfavorable position
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