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TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#381
On second thought I like the protoss changes but that fungal change is pretty silly. As well as the larva "bug fix". Next we'll probably see "fixed an issue where workers would automatically begin mining when rallied to a resource patch"
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#382
On December 04 2010 11:50 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:49 Playguuu wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:45 Rassy wrote:
dont understand observer update
Noone ever complained about the price and it already was cheap
terran lacks a good and cheap mobile detection compared to toss and zerg (mules dont count, they are to compensate for chrono boost and zerg macro and the scan last only 10 seconds and doesnt move)


I thought they were pretty good for a cloaked detector. They actually used to be cheaper in the beta, I think 50/50? A lot of this patch contains changes that don't make sense, like the flux veins, fg, bunker build time.

Spot on, this patch doesn't make sense. Can't wait for a situation report, I really want to know why Blizzard thought these notes was a good idea.

Likely similar for the Void Ray change last patch, where a pro player (Maka iirc) gave them feedback as to a particular abusive strategy that was too strong, so they nerfed it.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#383
On December 04 2010 11:51 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:50 Artisan wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
WTF ?!?!!!!?

i just saw it

"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "

blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug

this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous


I am unable to comprehend why this would need to be changed? Its not gamebreaking and helps save your fingers when you need to morph 30-40 lings into banelings... oh blizzard.

My APM will increase by about 100 as I furiously spam E and click Morph to Baneling button. I guess I'll get used to it but.. uh, macro will be silly lategame.


yup, because playing zerg didnt take enough APM already. :/
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 02:54:39
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#384
Whoa, huge patch. I'm liking some of the changes, like Master's League, chat channels, etc.

Anyone think it'll be possible to integrate custom chat channels with ones in WoW? I'm thinking no, but it'll be cool.
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zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#385
I seriously don't think that Fungal change will make it out of testing.
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#386
On December 04 2010 11:51 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:50 Artisan wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
WTF ?!?!!!!?

i just saw it

"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "

blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug

this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous


I am unable to comprehend why this would need to be changed? Its not gamebreaking and helps save your fingers when you need to morph 30-40 lings into banelings... oh blizzard.

My APM will increase by about 100 as I furiously spam E and click Morph to Baneling button. I guess I'll get used to it but.. uh, macro will be silly lategame.


It only says Larva, not lings. Maybe we can still hold down E for banelings.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#387
my reply got kind of lost so ill say it again
On December 04 2010 11:25 Zelniq wrote:
OK so I have a legit source that told me the reason for this infestor fungal nerf was because they removed void ray's speed upgrade. If that's the case why can't they just instead make it so:

- Void Rays are now immune to movement-impairing effects.

(which is only fungal growth)



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Proto_Protoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States495 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#388
Wow these patches are amazing for protoss i was leaping on joy at the decrease of Observer cost. Now i wont feel so guilt when i pump 3-4 for banshee's. Not sure how i feel about flux vanes never even researched it once but HALLUCINATION TIME REDUCED HELL YEA. But fungal attacking air :/ I loved in ZvZ to fungal Mutalisk and watch them die
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up everytime we do." - Confucius
SiguR
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada2039 Posts
December 04 2010 02:53 GMT
#389
I am so so happy we are finally getting chat channels. I think it's understated how much of an impact its going to have on the community. People can just organize events randomly.

There will be a reason for non-pro's to idle on starcraft 2, instead of playing 2 games and logging off.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#390
On December 04 2010 11:52 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:51 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:49 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:47 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:41 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:37 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:32 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:30 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:17 vyyye wrote:
What Blizzard is trying to tell me is that phoenix are now invincible? It's 100% impossible to kill them now, unless the protoss does something ridiculously stupid. Awesome, why the fuck was that necessary?
What if protoss learned to micro and spread their phoenix out to minimize fungal effect instead? I mean.. what the hell?

Other than obvious nice things like chat channels, I'm really not fond of the balancing. I don't get why they changed the void ray either, how was the speed upgrade in need of removal? Bunker build time again, why?

No, I don't get it.


what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill.

u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right?


Just like mutas, except
Faster
More hp
Bigger range
Smaller attack cooldown

No counter in zerg army


u forgot to add *don't hit ground*
and
*shots dont bounce*
*costs 50% more gas*

since we are counting everything

they do hit ground with graviton beam
they do significantly more damage even if you count bounce damage.
But how would i expect someone who comes to an arguement not even knowing how much the unit theyre arguing about cost.
Youre either completely clueless or are a troll.


yeah, i wrote gas instead of minerals, so im completely clueless!
wtf is ur problem
and they don't hit ground with gravitron beam. they pick stuff up, which other phoenixes can hit because it's in the air. which also causes the phoenix that picks it up to stop moving, during which any zerg could hit it because it can't run away.

yes, im aware u know all this, but im just affording u the same courtesy u showed me

i love how ridiculously butthurt u get over this shit, because i dare to say that phoenixes aren't impossible to kill.

allright. Straight up i know you know this and i realize youre just trolling and probably not even aware of this. I read your other posts in this thread where you backtrack on your anti-fungal growth claims.
Between that and claiming that zergs win tournaments, you know, just cut down on the trolling, aye?


are u actually arguing that zerg don't win tournaments? u don't think gsl counts for anything?

and i never backtracked on anything. i clarified for people who like to make assumptions

see, trolling, you know exactly what i mean but you ask those enticing questions i cant help but answer

btw you're stupid. I may not agree completely with travis but labeling everything he posts as trolling just makes you into a retard.

dont you just love his custom avatar?
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LoversxRequiem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#391
Yay! No more Collosus wars in PvP now with the Void Ray doing bonus damage to massive units.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#392
On December 04 2010 11:52 NeoOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:51 vyyye wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:50 Artisan wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
WTF ?!?!!!!?

i just saw it

"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "

blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug

this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous


I am unable to comprehend why this would need to be changed? Its not gamebreaking and helps save your fingers when you need to morph 30-40 lings into banelings... oh blizzard.

My APM will increase by about 100 as I furiously spam E and click Morph to Baneling button. I guess I'll get used to it but.. uh, macro will be silly lategame.


I dont think its changing for banelings, it just says larva.

Excuse me, it's 5 am. Read the quoted post and didn't think of the actual notes. Same difference anyhow, 200/200 vs 200/200 battle aftermath will be hilarious.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#393
That phoenix buff is going to suck big time for Zerg
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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#394
OMG MY STARCRAFT IS PATCHING! <3
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Stone
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom155 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 02:56:13
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#395
On December 04 2010 11:48 RoyalCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
WTF ?!?!!!!?

i just saw it

"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "

blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug

this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous

so you would rather have 1 click to morph all your larva into certain unit? that sounds pretty terrible


one key press will only morph one egg, but holding the hotkey will morph all eggs (the way it currently stands), i think you miss-understood the way the mechanic currently works. can anyone on the test server confirm that this has been changed. in that you can no longer hold the "z" to mass morph ling.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#396
On December 04 2010 11:50 Artisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
WTF ?!?!!!!?

i just saw it

"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "

blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug

this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous


I am unable to comprehend why this would need to be changed? Its not gamebreaking and helps save your fingers when you need to morph 30-40 lings into banelings... oh blizzard.


I don't think this will affect morphing lings into blings since they said larva.
however i do disagree with this change.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#397
- Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys.

Wtf that was a bug? If you were playing Zerg and had 30 larvae, and you want to make 30 batches of lings, you could hold Z and it'd make the 30 relatively fast after like a 2 second delay. Why is that possibly a bug, or am I reading this correctly?

Love the changes, with the exception of the bunker change, and I'm also skeptical on the Infestor FG change. Wouldn't that make it much harder to counter Phoenixes? I'd rather see it still work on air units, and work more like ensnare from SC1 (I think ensnare was just overall a better spell, just harder to use, would get great use in SC2, as remember it cut down the fire rates of most units it was cast on. Even if it was only just a slowdown and not stoppage, I'd prefer it that way, just cooler imo... at least they could still split from banes, etc.).
cHaNg-sTa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1058 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#398
On December 04 2010 11:50 nalgene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 10:59 Lexpar wrote:
• Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys.
+no fungal growth?

What? Alright. Race switching. No good spells and no macro ability I'm out. I hate to be sensationalist but this shit is fucking wacked. Fucking whacked.

fungal growth not hitting air makes sense for the storyline... they throw globs of green liquid up to 10000meters up?

kinda cool if they like using bcs/ravens...

and SCVS repairing Battlecruisers 10000 meters up in the air makes perfect sense.
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dkim
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States255 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#399
On December 04 2010 11:51 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:49 DonKey_ wrote:
THE PATCH ISN'T FOR SURE YET.


yea I thought HT nerf was coming but they seem to have changed their minds, thank god. would not be surprised if more things change before patch goes public.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
December 04 2010 02:54 GMT
#400
On December 04 2010 11:41 cannavaro wrote:
Stalemate protection with 3 minutes is definately too short, should be 5 minutes at least. Imagine the following: You are zerg, don't have a spire, kill his base, he isn't defeated, you immediately start a spire, which alone takes 100 seconds, another 37 seconds to get mutas out (100/100 each) and they will probably need to fly for at least 40 seconds to get to his lifted cc AND mutas take forever to kill a cc, so a terran in this situation can force a draw out of most games.
Should be more than 3 minute or/and the condition should be that a building is attacked, not destroyed.


Interesting situation. My best idea is that you could buy yourself more time by building and destroying an extractor.




Fungal Growth no longer affects air units.

Yay, every mirror's going to be either an early 1-base allin or mutas vs mutas, terran drops will be even stronger, protoss air is gonna be a nightmare, especially phoenix with their new build time.I also think that fungal growth was overpowered vs large clusters of air units since they bunch up so much.
A good implementation would imo be something like: "Hits every ground target in the target circle, but is applied to random 4 (number I think that would be fair) air units in the target circle. "


while this does suck, we'll get through it. I mean, my first thought was "OMG this is gonna be a nightmare" too, but thinking about it, I didn't actually use infestors that much before. I got mutas against Terran drops, and hydras (or occasionally corruptors) against Protoss air.
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