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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 04 2010 02:55 GMT
#401
On December 04 2010 11:54 never_toss wrote:
OMG MY STARCRAFT IS PATCHING! <3


No its not but people might actually believe you.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Eleven-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 02:55:43
December 04 2010 02:55 GMT
#402
Remember everyone that these changes are going to be tested. If something is seriously wrong it will be changed by the time they release it officially on the main servers.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
December 04 2010 02:55 GMT
#403
The problem in ZvZ. The unit to make becomes the Hydralisk, and possibly Queens. Spore Crawlers must be made, but they will not defend against increasingly large Mutalisk balls. At a certain point, the defending player must decide whether to attack. If he attacks, it is completely all in, because it takes Hydralisks too long to get across the map. The Mutalisks would kill all the workers, and still fly back to reinforce if necessary.

I don't think it's possible to creep up to the opponent before the Mutalisks get out of control. But I think we'll see the use of Speed Overlords and Creep Spawn a lot more if one decides to counter attack.

I always hated ZvZ because of Mutalisks. Now I have to learn to play it. My strategy always consisted of a Roach push right before Mutalisks came out. Too late of a push, and I lose from no anti-air. Timing had to be perfect. Time to relearn the match up.
There is no one like you in the universe.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
December 04 2010 02:55 GMT
#404
On December 04 2010 11:54 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:52 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:51 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:49 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:47 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:41 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:37 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:32 travis wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:30 Sfydjklm wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:
[quote]

what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill.

u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right?


Just like mutas, except
Faster
More hp
Bigger range
Smaller attack cooldown

No counter in zerg army


u forgot to add *don't hit ground*
and
*shots dont bounce*
*costs 50% more gas*

since we are counting everything

they do hit ground with graviton beam
they do significantly more damage even if you count bounce damage.
But how would i expect someone who comes to an arguement not even knowing how much the unit theyre arguing about cost.
Youre either completely clueless or are a troll.


yeah, i wrote gas instead of minerals, so im completely clueless!
wtf is ur problem
and they don't hit ground with gravitron beam. they pick stuff up, which other phoenixes can hit because it's in the air. which also causes the phoenix that picks it up to stop moving, during which any zerg could hit it because it can't run away.

yes, im aware u know all this, but im just affording u the same courtesy u showed me

i love how ridiculously butthurt u get over this shit, because i dare to say that phoenixes aren't impossible to kill.

allright. Straight up i know you know this and i realize youre just trolling and probably not even aware of this. I read your other posts in this thread where you backtrack on your anti-fungal growth claims.
Between that and claiming that zergs win tournaments, you know, just cut down on the trolling, aye?


are u actually arguing that zerg don't win tournaments? u don't think gsl counts for anything?

and i never backtracked on anything. i clarified for people who like to make assumptions

see, trolling, you know exactly what i mean but you ask those enticing questions i cant help but answer

btw you're stupid. I may not agree completely with travis but labeling everything he posts as trolling just makes you into a retard.

dont you just love his custom avatar?


why does that make him a troll too?
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
December 04 2010 02:55 GMT
#405
On December 04 2010 11:51 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
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On December 04 2010 11:49 DonKey_ wrote:
I guess spore crawler and corrupters are going to need to be built against phoinex builds. Oh no! the game is broken now!

Seriously the reaction zerg players are having is ridiculous; THE PATCH ISN'T FOR SURE YET. This is to test it to see if it is beneficial to the MU or not.

And we're vocalizing that we don't think it will. Whats the problem?


What will? I don't understand why you are complaining? Blizzard is trying to test out a new patch on a test server, and you guys are pissed that they are nerfing and buffing things on a TEST SERVER.

Whats the point of complaining about all of this when it is not even a "real" patch?
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
MythicalMage
Profile Joined May 2010
1360 Posts
December 04 2010 02:55 GMT
#406
On December 04 2010 11:49 StoLiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:48 Ocedic wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:05 Fa1nT wrote:
Fungall Growth will NOT be added to the offical game. There is NO counter to phoenix and mutas without it. Any competent player can fly around forever avoiding hydra.


Actually spores counter phoenix just fine. For once Zerg have to deal with a mass of flying units with greater mobility and huge harassment power. Live with it.


you want us to put spore EVERY WHERE on the map ? this is not only the worker harras who make that broken
Just follow July Zerg and make corruptors. They shut down phoenixes reasonably well, and stop the transition into colossus.
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#407
The only change that people are really complaining about is the infestor change really... i think the rest of them are excellent
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#408
On December 04 2010 11:55 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:54 never_toss wrote:
OMG MY STARCRAFT IS PATCHING! <3


No its not but people might actually believe you.


Yes it is.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
imbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom320 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#409
Zergs stop fracking QQing for a second and just wait and see eh?

Corruptors are quite decent vs all Toss air in addition to the Colossus, and when you're done you can still make them into Broodlords which are quite effective vs Toss.

Yes, yes Corruptors aren't the "perfect" counter vs. a group of fast phoenix, but since when has SC2 or SC1 for that matter been about perfect counters. Remember back when Toss couldn't deal with Mutas for frack but slowly the game styles evolved and they found their way. Have faith in yourselves or go QQ on BNet forums.


except u idiots had an anti air unit that does bonus dmge to light units. its not zerg's fault if it took you so long to realise that "hey, maybe this anti light air unit would work against light air" is it?
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#410
On December 04 2010 11:46 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care.

How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way.

The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective which is silly.

People saying spores... really? Do you even play the game? They'll damage the shields and then the phoenixes fly away. Would need a lot of bloody spores to deal with them, and that's quite an investment.


Sounds like another flying unit in ZvT, but I can't seem to recall the name. I do know that T had to build turrets to defend against them, though. But still their health regenerated, so any good player would just snipe stuff and leave.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#411
On December 04 2010 11:53 Zelniq wrote:
my reply got kind of lost so ill say it again
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:25 Zelniq wrote:
OK so I have a legit source that told me the reason for this infestor fungal nerf was because they removed void ray's speed upgrade. If that's the case why can't they just instead make it so:

- Void Rays are now immune to movement-impairing effects.

(which is only fungal growth)





Void rays have enough range to still attack when fungaled, unlike mutas. Last night on IdrA's stream, some protoss massed like 15 voids and they got fungaled, and still owned the hydra ball shooting them :/

Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1978 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#412
On December 04 2010 11:55 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:54 never_toss wrote:
OMG MY STARCRAFT IS PATCHING! <3


No its not but people might actually believe you.


Actually, mines is too, for a minor patch I think.
DoA
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)599 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#413
I'm really not a big fan of the fungal growth nerf. There's really no need for it.
I cast, therefore I am.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#414
On December 04 2010 11:56 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:55 blade55555 wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:54 never_toss wrote:
OMG MY STARCRAFT IS PATCHING! <3


No its not but people might actually believe you.


Actually, mines is too, for a minor patch I think.


Ah k then guess I am wrong my apologies . What server?
When I think of something else, something will go here
Nobu
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain550 Posts
December 04 2010 02:56 GMT
#415
I hope this doesnt get live. So the race with worst Antiair is losing FG on air units+protoss build time reduced. And the people from blizzard didn't watch the GSl lately. All TvZ are 2rax+scv all-in, and they reduce bunker build time? I need that someone explain this to me because i dont know how they can get to that idea and actually think that is a good way to fix something (don't even know what are they trying to fix).
"There's farmers and there's gamers, farmers get up early, gamers sleep in." Artosis
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1978 Posts
December 04 2010 02:57 GMT
#416
On December 04 2010 11:56 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:56 Garrl wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:55 blade55555 wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:54 never_toss wrote:
OMG MY STARCRAFT IS PATCHING! <3


No its not but people might actually believe you.


Actually, mines is too, for a minor patch I think.


Ah k then guess I am wrong my apologies . What server?


Europe.
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
December 04 2010 02:57 GMT
#417
goo patch :D im gonna take screenshots of chat channel if i can
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
December 04 2010 02:57 GMT
#418
Im un NA and its patching
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
December 04 2010 02:57 GMT
#419
On December 04 2010 11:57 Garrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2010 11:56 blade55555 wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:56 Garrl wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:55 blade55555 wrote:
On December 04 2010 11:54 never_toss wrote:
OMG MY STARCRAFT IS PATCHING! <3


No its not but people might actually believe you.


Actually, mines is too, for a minor patch I think.


Ah k then guess I am wrong my apologies . What server?


Europe.


Also North American.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
December 04 2010 02:57 GMT
#420
On December 04 2010 11:54 Dromar wrote:
while this does suck, we'll get through it. I mean, my first thought was "OMG this is gonna be a nightmare" too, but thinking about it, I didn't actually use infestors that much before. I got mutas against Terran drops, and hydras (or occasionally corruptors) against Protoss air.



You must think phoenix get a big buff too. easier to mass
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