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On December 04 2010 11:37 Disastorm wrote:
I'm glad these changes are going on test server first so blizzard can see if they are appropriate. I'm guessing their analysis will reveal that Zerg will probably have no answer to phoenixes after this patch, and that mass phoenix into a decent ground army will be close to unbeatable.
However it is interesting to note that the bunker change was specifically marked as being ONLY intended for test server. Why would they purposely intend a change ONLY for test server, thats a bit odd?
They're doing it to check the repair priority I would guess, since that's the most likely thing that you need to repair as Terran.
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This is fucking amazing.
lol@butthurt Zerg players
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On December 04 2010 11:41 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:37 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:32 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:30 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:17 vyyye wrote:
What Blizzard is trying to tell me is that phoenix are now invincible? It's 100% impossible to kill them now, unless the protoss does something ridiculously stupid. Awesome, why the fuck was that necessary?
What if protoss learned to micro and spread their phoenix out to minimize fungal effect instead? I mean.. what the hell?
Other than obvious nice things like chat channels, I'm really not fond of the balancing. I don't get why they changed the void ray either, how was the speed upgrade in need of removal? Bunker build time again, why?
No, I don't get it. what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill. u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right? Just like mutas, except Faster More hp Bigger range Smaller attack cooldown No counter in zerg army u forgot to add *don't hit ground* and *shots dont bounce* *costs 50% more gas* since we are counting everything they do hit ground with graviton beam they do significantly more damage even if you count bounce damage. But how would i expect someone who comes to an arguement not even knowing how much the unit theyre arguing about cost. Youre either completely clueless or are a troll. yeah, i wrote gas instead of minerals, so im completely clueless! wtf is ur problem and they don't hit ground with gravitron beam. they pick stuff up, which other phoenixes can hit because it's in the air. which also causes the phoenix that picks it up to stop moving, during which any zerg could hit it because it can't run away. yes, im aware u know all this, but im just affording u the same courtesy u showed me i love how ridiculously butthurt u get over this shit, because i dare to say that phoenixes aren't impossible to kill.
it should probably be noted that phoenix are literally useless against spore crawlers and other buildings.
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On December 04 2010 11:25 StoLiVe wrote:
ZvP will be so broken now. how can zerg kill air unit ?
muta ? phoenix can kyte them for ever.
hydra ? too slow wont be able to hit anything because the god damn FG can,t hit aire.
Queen? are you kidding me ?
You're going to have to do more then make mutas for total air control. Boo hoo.
Maybe zerg will stop staying on t2 so long.
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On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care.
How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way.
The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective which is silly.
People saying spores... really? Do you even play the game? They'll damage the shields and then the phoenixes fly away. Would need a lot of bloody spores to deal with them, and that's quite an investment.
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On December 04 2010 11:40 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:37 Cpadolf wrote:
Clearly Terran needed help to be able to bunker rush easier. Obviously Fungal Growth can't affect air units, otherwise dropship harass would be too hard for Terran. Indeed very reasonable changes. yeah cause hitting d and clicking places then pushing the front with your army is a lot harder than trying to deal with 5 different areas of attack at the same time This was my point, yes.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or you're genuinely stupid, but I suppose I'll assume the former because it makes me want to hide in a corner less.
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United States7166 Posts
WTF ?!?!!!!?
i just saw it
"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "
blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug
this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous
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On December 04 2010 11:41 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:37 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:32 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:30 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:17 vyyye wrote:
What Blizzard is trying to tell me is that phoenix are now invincible? It's 100% impossible to kill them now, unless the protoss does something ridiculously stupid. Awesome, why the fuck was that necessary?
What if protoss learned to micro and spread their phoenix out to minimize fungal effect instead? I mean.. what the hell?
Other than obvious nice things like chat channels, I'm really not fond of the balancing. I don't get why they changed the void ray either, how was the speed upgrade in need of removal? Bunker build time again, why?
No, I don't get it. what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill. u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right? Just like mutas, except Faster More hp Bigger range Smaller attack cooldown No counter in zerg army u forgot to add *don't hit ground* and *shots dont bounce* *costs 50% more gas* since we are counting everything they do hit ground with graviton beam they do significantly more damage even if you count bounce damage. But how would i expect someone who comes to an arguement not even knowing how much the unit theyre arguing about cost. Youre either completely clueless or are a troll. yeah, i wrote gas instead of minerals, so im completely clueless! wtf is ur problem and they don't hit ground with gravitron beam. they pick stuff up, which other phoenixes can hit because it's in the air. which also causes the phoenix that picks it up to stop moving, during which any zerg could hit it because it can't run away. yes, im aware u know all this, but im just affording u the same courtesy u showed me i love how ridiculously butthurt u get over this shit, because i dare to say that phoenixes aren't impossible to kill.
allright. Straight up i know you know this and i realize youre just trolling and probably not even aware of this. I read your other posts in this thread where you backtrack on your anti-fungal growth claims.
Between that and claiming that zergs win tournaments, you know, just cut down on the trolling, aye?
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On December 04 2010 11:46 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:25 StoLiVe wrote:
ZvP will be so broken now. how can zerg kill air unit ?
muta ? phoenix can kyte them for ever.
hydra ? too slow wont be able to hit anything because the god damn FG can,t hit aire.
Queen? are you kidding me ? You're going to have to do more then make mutas for total air control. Boo hoo. Maybe zerg will stop staying on t2 so long.
What do you want we do ? t3 still awfull against protoss' air
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On December 04 2010 11:46 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:25 StoLiVe wrote:
ZvP will be so broken now. how can zerg kill air unit ?
muta ? phoenix can kyte them for ever.
hydra ? too slow wont be able to hit anything because the god damn FG can,t hit aire.
Queen? are you kidding me ? You're going to have to do more then make mutas for total air control. Boo hoo. Maybe zerg will stop staying on t2 so long.
None of our tier 3 units attack air. What are you even talking about?
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On December 04 2010 11:05 Fa1nT wrote:
Fungall Growth will NOT be added to the offical game. There is NO counter to phoenix and mutas without it. Any competent player can fly around forever avoiding hydra.
Actually spores counter phoenix just fine. For once Zerg have to deal with a mass of flying units with greater mobility and huge harassment power. Live with it.
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Corruptors have pretty far range of you forgot. Phoenix get owned by corruptors since they are mainly for light units and light harass
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On December 04 2010 11:46 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:44 whomybuddy wrote:
Pheonix can be counter by corruptors easy. It'll change ZvZ match up since mass muta is no longer afraid of fungal growth. I don't use infestor that much anyway so don't really care. How the fuck do you counter phoenix with corruptors? You do realize phoenix are a lot faster than corruptors? No one cares about not being able to kill phoenix head on, that's easy and only a stupid protoss would engage that way. The problem is there's no way to deal with phoenix harass properly. There are ways you can limit the damage but in the end, assuming equal skill and high level, a protoss phoenix harass will always be cost effective.
I agree. I've always felt that corruptors are bad for the time they take to build and the cost. I feel like if they gave corruptors +1 range it would help alot and make the unit worthwhile.
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• Protoss structures can no longer be powered without a power source if constructed while powered by a Warp Prism under the effects of Neural Parasite.
this seems quite useless but you can probably abuse this in a FFA game with a secret teammate for kicks lol... might be too late in game to do anything significant tho
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On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
making mass ling is going to be ridiculous
I bet you anything, this is because of bronze players complaining about how hard it is to keep up with zerg.
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On December 04 2010 11:46 allyourbase wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:41 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:37 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:32 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:30 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:17 vyyye wrote:
What Blizzard is trying to tell me is that phoenix are now invincible? It's 100% impossible to kill them now, unless the protoss does something ridiculously stupid. Awesome, why the fuck was that necessary?
What if protoss learned to micro and spread their phoenix out to minimize fungal effect instead? I mean.. what the hell?
Other than obvious nice things like chat channels, I'm really not fond of the balancing. I don't get why they changed the void ray either, how was the speed upgrade in need of removal? Bunker build time again, why?
No, I don't get it. what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill. u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right? Just like mutas, except Faster More hp Bigger range Smaller attack cooldown No counter in zerg army u forgot to add *don't hit ground* and *shots dont bounce* *costs 50% more gas* since we are counting everything they do hit ground with graviton beam they do significantly more damage even if you count bounce damage. But how would i expect someone who comes to an arguement not even knowing how much the unit theyre arguing about cost. Youre either completely clueless or are a troll. yeah, i wrote gas instead of minerals, so im completely clueless! wtf is ur problem and they don't hit ground with gravitron beam. they pick stuff up, which other phoenixes can hit because it's in the air. which also causes the phoenix that picks it up to stop moving, during which any zerg could hit it because it can't run away. yes, im aware u know all this, but im just affording u the same courtesy u showed me i love how ridiculously butthurt u get over this shit, because i dare to say that phoenixes aren't impossible to kill. it should probably be noted that spore crawlers are literally useless against phoenix
FYP
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On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
WTF ?!?!!!!?
i just saw it
"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "
blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug
this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous
so you would rather have 1 click to morph all your larva into certain unit? that sounds pretty terrible
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On December 04 2010 11:48 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:05 Fa1nT wrote:
Fungall Growth will NOT be added to the offical game. There is NO counter to phoenix and mutas without it. Any competent player can fly around forever avoiding hydra. Actually spores counter phoenix just fine. For once Zerg have to deal with a mass of flying units with greater mobility and huge harassment power. Live with it.
And then you lose a good deal of your economy from building spores either way, and how do you actually be aggressive and maintain map control and vision when your overlords can't move out?
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On December 04 2010 11:47 Zelniq wrote:
WTF ?!?!!!!?
i just saw it
"Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. "
blizzard you have got to be kidding me. i like how they make it seem it was a bug
this is actually retarded and seriously effects zerg in the stupidest way imaginable. christ at least in brood war 1 hotkey press while selecting 12 larvae made them all morph, now it's actually much worse than that, making mass ling is going to be ridiculous
This is one of those things we need to be very vocal about on the forums so as this bit remains unchanged for the real patch.
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On December 04 2010 11:47 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 11:41 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:37 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:32 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:30 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 04 2010 11:20 travis wrote:On December 04 2010 11:17 vyyye wrote:
What Blizzard is trying to tell me is that phoenix are now invincible? It's 100% impossible to kill them now, unless the protoss does something ridiculously stupid. Awesome, why the fuck was that necessary?
What if protoss learned to micro and spread their phoenix out to minimize fungal effect instead? I mean.. what the hell?
Other than obvious nice things like chat channels, I'm really not fond of the balancing. I don't get why they changed the void ray either, how was the speed upgrade in need of removal? Bunker build time again, why?
No, I don't get it. what? how is it 100% impossible to kill them? they are JUST like mutas in how easy they are to kill. u realize that to use gravitron whatever-the-fuck the protoss has to stop moving the phoenix right? Just like mutas, except Faster More hp Bigger range Smaller attack cooldown No counter in zerg army u forgot to add *don't hit ground* and *shots dont bounce* *costs 50% more gas* since we are counting everything they do hit ground with graviton beam they do significantly more damage even if you count bounce damage. But how would i expect someone who comes to an arguement not even knowing how much the unit theyre arguing about cost. Youre either completely clueless or are a troll. yeah, i wrote gas instead of minerals, so im completely clueless! wtf is ur problem and they don't hit ground with gravitron beam. they pick stuff up, which other phoenixes can hit because it's in the air. which also causes the phoenix that picks it up to stop moving, during which any zerg could hit it because it can't run away. yes, im aware u know all this, but im just affording u the same courtesy u showed me i love how ridiculously butthurt u get over this shit, because i dare to say that phoenixes aren't impossible to kill. allright. Straight up i know you know this and i realize youre just trolling and probably not even aware of this. I read your other posts in this thread where you backtrack on your anti-fungal growth claims. Between that and claiming that zergs win tournaments, you know, just cut down on the trolling, aye?
are u actually arguing that zerg don't win tournaments? u don't think gsl counts for anything?
and i never backtracked on anything. i clarified for people who like to make assumptions
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