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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:38 Nyx wrote: Am I the only person who sees the ultralisk change? It's going to buff the hell out of the ultra. Only if they don't get cockblocked by zerglings and roaches still. | ||
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ThE_ShiZ
United States143 Posts
Good buffs for protoss, doesn't really effect pvt much, which i thought was the real problem. zvp was fine imo. I think a better buff wouldve been to make psi storm more accessible. The fungal change looks interesting. I dont think dropships are the problem, mutas were much better at handling that, it's the phoenix. I guess Blizzard really wanted to give protoss a viable air opener vs zerg, like what sc1 had. Protoss ground did have trouble once collosi were gone. EDIT: God forbid Zerg doesn't have the option of freezing entire armies of air units in place. Zerg has options of dealing with drophip play that are more practical than fungals. and with Phoenix, spores prevent their harassing options. hydra/corrupter should still be fine, or try to tech ultras. Mass/VR sair will be stronger vs corrupter play though. | ||
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Suffo
United States936 Posts
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malphigian
United States68 Posts
-"Repairing SCVs now assume the same threat priority as the unit they’re repairing." -- very nice for countering thor rushes as you won't need to micro the slipknot, and this is likely to kill the scvs faster, right? -"The Ultralisk’s arc-shaped damage area is now centered at the front of the Ultralisk instead of at its center." -- That's a pretty huge buff no? I mean, it's profoundly dumb that it was ever coming out of the center of that giant unit, their attack should be hitting way more now. and: "Creep will now spread evenly in all directions." -- I think this is a buff assuming it spreads at the same rate? Less sure about this one. | ||
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Lucius2
Germany548 Posts
and to the "z has no counters to phx anymore", i can just say: p still has no real counter to broodlords. blink doesnt work so well, if they are backed up by 200 roaches and getting blocked by the broodlings | ||
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Toxiferous
United States388 Posts
Also gonna be real fun attempting to stop multiple medivac drops around the map without fungal growth | ||
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lakritzc
Sweden164 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:38 Nyx wrote: Am I the only person who sees the ultralisk change? It's going to buff the hell out of the ultra. No, I saw it. They'll be like they weer when the PF/ultra mega cleave bug was still in place, without the PF bug obviously if I understood it correctly. God yes, really appreciated. Might even try using them versus protoss again (which hasn't worked at fucking all this last patch), but I'm skeptical. It'll be nice versus the few terrans who have quite a bit of mech in their play though, really fucking nice. Problem with the ultra is still the same though, they have a habit running around doing nothing behind everything else (similar to immortals, but worse...). | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:38 MonsieurGrimm wrote: yeah cause hitting d and clicking places then pushing the front with your army is a lot harder than trying to deal with 5 different areas of attack at the same time This was my point, yes. | ||
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
Can't wait to concede map control to protoss and terran since I can't stop drops or air harass without slow ass hydras. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:37 Disastorm wrote: I'm glad these changes are going on test server first so blizzard can see if they are appropriate. I'm guessing their analysis will reveal that Zerg will probably have no answer to phoenixes after this patch, and that mass phoenix into a decent ground army will be close to unbeatable. However it is interesting to note that the bunker change was specifically marked as being ONLY intended for test server. Why would they purposely intend a change ONLY for test server, thats a bit odd? 95% of zerg responses, that I have seen, to protoss going for air power has been building a muta/corruptor-ball. Zerg goes for corrupotors vs protoss air especially in GSL games. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:38 Nyx wrote: Am I the only person who sees the ultralisk change? It's going to buff the hell out of the ultra. That change benefits zerg so we're all gonna ignore it and baww our eyes out about phoenixes now being invincible without playing a single game sup | ||
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Artisan
United States336 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:35 travis wrote: yeah i fixed it lol anyways, i DO suspect that protoss air will be OP vs zerg. and if they keep the fungal change they are def gonna need to buff hydra speed, no real reason not to also, i have trouble agreeing with everyone saying mutalisk is going to dominate zvz now. i guess myabe it will... but for the cost doesn't hydra/roach beat muta/ling in headon collision? but i don't play z so it's something i'd like to hear from dem zergs Muta's give map control and high mobility without being able to get a good fungal off and picking off the mutas they will just harass and stay away from your army tell they are ready to engage. The zerg with muta's will have map control and be able to expand hydras are to slow off creep and if the hydra zerg takes a lot of bases he will be spread to far apart allowing the mutas to harass and pick apart his economy. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
But as a Protoss player, fuck yeah. | ||
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
I love the FG changes  yay vikings and medivacs. Sorry zergs about the incoming phoenix rape though I hope you guys pull through. Need a hydra off-creep speed upgrade eh?---------------- Best part of the patch though. Chat channels. Hopefully that'll improve TL and BNet forums ever so slightly as people can vent their rage/QQ there. | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On December 04 2010 11:39 lakritzc wrote: Oh man, this patch is really too much to handle for my brain. Feels like a family member just died. ZvZ, what shalt becometh o' thee... Wait, I just skimmed through the patch notes so I've probably missed something, but what is going to change ZvZ so fundamentally? | ||
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cannavaro
Italy86 Posts
Fungal Growth no longer affects air units. Yay, every mirror's going to be either an early 1-base allin or mutas vs mutas, terran drops will be even stronger, protoss air is gonna be a nightmare, especially phoenix with their new build time.I also think that fungal growth was overpowered vs large clusters of air units since they bunch up so much. A good implementation would imo be something like: "Hits every ground target in the target circle, but is applied to random 4 (number I think that would be fair) air units in the target circle. " • Harvesting units no longer avoid enemy units. Good: Can kill every scout that walks through your mineral line, but will only work for a short time until people stop to walk through it. Bad: Defending vs 6/7 pool is gonna be a real pain in the ass. • Fixed an issue where Larva could produce units by holding down hotkeys. Yeah of course..fixed an issue. Was bugged like hell, yup yup. edit: wth happened to my post after I wrote it in editor and c/p'ed it....fixing it up... | ||
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DoubleLariat
Canada190 Posts
they got a 20% boost to massive. Do you not understand that this means you now have great options against ultras (which eat just about every protoss unit), thors, and colossi? There is now a very effective way to deal with colossi such that Protoss vs. Protoss will not turn into a war of the worlds civil war. (I am brainwashed by Day9 to not say words such as hard conter =P) | ||
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