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AtlasJQ
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada138 Posts
September 25 2010 23:39 GMT
#81
Ty for the translation, very interesting comments. I saw the game and didn't pick up some of the nuances this guy explained in his post. Its great to see the decision reasoning for these players.
An old schooler from Katans Lair and Mavens Haven - | - Fav SC accomplishment: Beating SSamjang in the first i2e2. Yes, that SSamjang. I am old :(
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
September 25 2010 23:54 GMT
#82
That fucking first game....

OH MY GOD....

I want to play TvT now.
Alexstrasas
Profile Joined August 2010
302 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-26 00:32:02
September 26 2010 00:16 GMT
#83
I am either not getting something or this "step by step guide" is useless?

What i found extremely odd about this game is that AFTER the 10:24 mark Top just sit in his base making basicly 200/200 thors. Nowere in there it explains why this is justifiable.

In game 1 he did a ton of drops, in this one he could easly dropped a thor on the ledge to harass and possibly take out the natural early on, but he didnt, he just sit in his base chilling and then moved out just when the other guys ultralisks were poping out, weird really weird. Oh and btw there were no mutas so he could have made all the drops he wanted.

Nah the more i think about the more it seems fixed...possibly the best ogs player, one of the top player (top lulz), on the 3rd round game, sit on the base making thors? He should have gone really wild and just made 200/200 battlecruisers, seriously...

Also i dont really see how because zerg was not actualy too much behind somehow it justifies this outcome, if anything the moment Top saw that gold he should either gone for a pushing atempt or somesort of drop harass or a stronger banshee harass also seeing as there were no mutas.
This isnt a mistake, like "ops i lost a medevac full of units" or " i made mass banshee and he has mass muta", he purposly sit in his base fully aware that his opponent had more bases then him and did nothing.



Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
September 26 2010 00:17 GMT
#84
Great analysis but there is no match fix. Why would there be?
In life you can obtain all sorts of material wealth, but the real treasure is the epic feelings you get while doing something you love.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
September 26 2010 00:20 GMT
#85
Very nice article and translation. Thanks!
KingAce
Profile Joined September 2010
United States471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-26 00:55:17
September 26 2010 00:44 GMT
#86
All of you that doubt tasteless and artosis, I bet you money they could analyze any game just like this Korean commentator did, after rewatching said game in a replay.

Looking at the game again, it is possible. Tasteless questions why Terran had Zerg basically rocked but opted to expand instead of killing him. Artosis replies that maybe he was going for some kind of thor timing push.
"You're defined by the WORST of your group..." Bill Burr
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
September 26 2010 01:01 GMT
#87
I don't understand that after such an epic series, everyone is so up the ass paranoid about it being set up. Can't you just accept something as an epic game?
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
September 26 2010 01:04 GMT
#88
Great work, put in the spotlight.
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kwiznek
Profile Joined September 2010
9 Posts
September 26 2010 01:12 GMT
#89
The fact that there is controversy over this being setup shows you just how imbalanced EVERYONE considers this matchup. As if the terran would've had to try to lose to actually lose. Hilarious.

Honestly, I bet cool got into ogstop's head. There is alot of money on the line. They said that team OGS helped him come up with some solid build, because clearly they were afraid of cool or at least the possibility of him giving top a challenge. So instead of just playing straight up and grinding on the aggression, he went and did something weird which, hey guess what, didn't work! That's my take of it. Such a perfect game, won't ever be recreated, just a perfect storm of action and reaction... so sick.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
September 26 2010 01:34 GMT
#90
I didn't know there was an actually a debate about this- but this hopefully will be the final word about it.

With the new patch changes- the size of Thors seems to put them at serious disadvantage vs ultras.

Your work at the translation and post is much appreciated. I love how suspect ANY Zerg winning these days is. You must be hackin' or payin' bitches to lose. haha
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
z00t
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia976 Posts
September 26 2010 01:43 GMT
#91
Heh, I like this commentator's way of describing Cool's droning as a 'defensive all in'.

It's interesting because we tend to think of 'all-ins' as applying specifically to offensive tactics, but it can be applied to Cool's kind of situation as well.
cskalias.pbe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States293 Posts
September 26 2010 01:45 GMT
#92
i would love to see more of these types of articles. really helps me appreciate the game even more
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
September 26 2010 01:47 GMT
#93
I don't think they would fix a match in this way, pressure is more likely to lead to poor descisions
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
attackfighter
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada308 Posts
September 26 2010 02:05 GMT
#94
On September 26 2010 09:44 KingAce wrote:
All of you that doubt tasteless and artosis, I bet you money they could analyze any game just like this Korean commentator did, after rewatching said game in a replay.

Looking at the game again, it is possible. Tasteless questions why Terran had Zerg basically rocked but opted to expand instead of killing him. Artosis replies that maybe he was going for some kind of thor timing push.


Maybe they could, but they definately won't. They don't seem interested at all in the games they cast, the obligatory "WHAT A HIGH LEVEL GAME" they yell out almost every match seems so forced and the only time they bother describing what's going on is for really obvious stuff, like "oh look he's walling his ramp". Half-way through the games, once things start getting complicated, they just seem to doze off and start making little cutesy jokes with each other (such as "it;s almost like we finish our sentences AT THE EXACT SAME TIME" line which they've used about 5 times so far), it's just boring to listen to them. If they would start analyzing the games like this Korean caster they'd be so much better... even if they failed and missed some stuff, it would be a huge improvement over this minimalist thing they currently have going.
rally_point
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada458 Posts
September 26 2010 02:18 GMT
#95
wow that was an awesome analysis, thanks!
SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
September 26 2010 02:20 GMT
#96
really good analys!
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
September 26 2010 02:49 GMT
#97
Thank you for the translation.

That game is awesome, but yeah weird. I guess at that time Top was mentally wrecked that he couldn't do what most Terrans do against zerg: build units, attack, gg.
Zingerac
Profile Joined July 2010
United States138 Posts
September 26 2010 02:59 GMT
#98
On September 26 2010 10:34 cursor wrote:
With the new patch changes- the size of Thors seems to put them at serious disadvantage vs ultras.

the patch did absolutely nothing to increase the effectiveness of Ultras Vs Thors.
So basically the difference between me and deezer is that I don't need to look at his stream to know what hes doing- Liquid'Ret
hkfosho
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada213 Posts
September 26 2010 03:16 GMT
#99
On September 26 2010 06:54 Fa1nT wrote:
Fixed or not, TOP did not play at the level he did in matches before it.

He did not abuse the map, and did not push early.

That screenshot with 1000 income to terrans 700? One mule would even that out, and TOP had TWO CC on the way. His econ was fine. His banshee was still alive (he didn't even repair it..?) and he had done over 500 minerals worth of damage in just DRONES.


And this is why this game was so epic... because even a brilliant-minded zerg can outplay an overpowered terran.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 26 2010 03:25 GMT
#100
Zerg won?? OMGmatchfixing
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