EPTBlizzard needs to get rid of the match history - Page 2
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Maand
326 Posts
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:10 avilo wrote: Horrible analogy. In sports you can study replays, just like you can in Starcraft. You can study your opponent, what you're not allowed to do is go stalk your opponent in RL and show up at every one of their practice sessions. You can study Federer and Nadal's play style and tendencies, and collect information, but you cannot go watch them personally practice with their coach 24/7. In football, you get fined/penalized if you go and try and spy on other teams practices with a camera (that happened in recent years b4 superbowl or something)? You can study that way, but if you want to make an analogy here, it's going to be closest that SC2 match history is like stalking/invading privacy and trying to go spy on someone's personal practice session with their coach. Worse analogy, the BO shows nothing you couldn't learn from watching replays, it's just a faster way of gaining that information. | ||
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:14 Dionyseus wrote: Nothing is stopping you from buying another account to practice on. If you think saving $60 is worth the risk of losing $85,000, something's wrong with you. Actually in korea there is since you have to sign up for an account with your government id similar to a US SSN if I understand correctly. However for US/EU there is hope. By using these recently created maps that don't show build orders in the match history in custom games on your primary account with your practice partners and then by using a second account on which you only ladder and never play with practice partners you can approach anonymity. Still it seems like an awfully big hoop to jump through. Being able to see the build order only if you have the replay would be a nice solution as the screen itself is pretty convenient for getting a birds eye view of the strategy without having to watch the game. | ||
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fAnTaCy
United States893 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:22 kmillz wrote: Worse analogy, the BO shows nothing you couldn't learn from watching replays, it's just a faster way of gaining that information. So? If the someone REALLY wants to know what their opponent does, they will take the time to find their replays and study them. And even then, there will only be a select few, not their ENTIRE match list since they started with all their bo's and everything, which can and probably will hurt tournies untill something is taken care of. | ||
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Gont
Germany239 Posts
its fine if u can see bo after the game so beginners still could learn from their opponents if they were raped but i guess on a prolvl the match history is too "strong" | ||
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dbddbddb
Singapore969 Posts
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archaik
Sweden32 Posts
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On a side note: I think Idra benefited from this and was not net-harmed by it. I realize it creates a meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-game, but there were some koreans already sharing their replays of him from ladder which IMO is a much bigger advantage and can't be stopped by just turning off the build order button. | ||
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SpartiK1S
United States145 Posts
When has the prospect of losing money ever motivated a company to change something in an environment? I don't mean game makers, but every company out there is driven by profits, and more profits. It sure sucks you gotta play mindgames with opponents before you even play them, and possibly spend hours guessing thier ID #, which you will, eventually... But I highly doubt Blizzard will fix/change this, it's throwing possible money down the toilet. As crazy as it sounds to regular people like us, companies can't afford to lose any amount of money to satisfy special interests, regardless of how many millions they make per/month. | ||
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s2pid_loser
United States699 Posts
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truckerdaves
United States66 Posts
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:22 kmillz wrote: Worse analogy, the BO shows nothing you couldn't learn from watching replays, it's just a faster way of gaining that information. Match history is available for anyone with a battle.net account. Replays are only available to the people that manage to find them/download them. One can be hidden, the other cannot be. Think b4 you post. On September 16 2010 03:10 nukkuj wrote: Agreed, while Blizzard are taking their time to fix it, use "Teddyman's pro maps"  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153120aha, good stuff  | ||
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TiBe
Mexico200 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153120 | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
There is no argument to HAVE this, none at all. Just showing winner/loser in the match history is sufficient (and whether it was a custom or ladder game with the + points thing). build orders available for everyone to see is stupid, how often in pro BW did we ever get a professional replay? only when leaked did that ever happen and for a good reason | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I pitty the fool that looks at my matchlist for ideas. I try and do 4-5 builds per matchup and more depending on the map. | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
I'd say, if anything, the match history build order thing isn't even as good as getting recent replays. | ||
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Merikh
United States918 Posts
Idra got meta-gamed last night lol Such an upset, I'm guessing this is why this thread came back up. | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
Just get rid of it in custom games to give pros a ground to test their stuff privately without having to buy another account. | ||
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Rumiah
24 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:17 Deadlyfish wrote: Well i thought the pro players could vary their build orders? I rarely see a game where they go for the exact same build as the first game. I'm also pretty sure that the pro players adapt their build to whatever their opponent is doing, and not just blindly go for the same build again and again. Everyone knows that IdrA is a macro player and likes to macro alot before he attacks. I dont see what's wrong with that. Trying to hide your build orders would also be very tricky, and kinda strange. Also, i'd never go look up some build order that my opponent did, and just assume that they're going to use that against me, i'd be taking a huge chance. Pro players obviously vary their build orders. The reason you dont see the same build twice in a row is due to maps having a massive input in which BO is played. GSL spoilers. + Show Spoiler + As you mentioned IdrA, after the GSL today where game 1 and 2 were pretty much decided because of the fact idra knew the build Lotze would play on blistering, as that is the build he had practiced for that particular map vs idras macro style play. This would of been an extremely strong build vs idras normal macro style, but as idra knew the timings of when the push would come etc from checking the match history he reacted to these timings and won. Game 2 Lotze knew idra had sniped his 1 base collossus push and used that knowledge to voidray rush idra. Based on this just because you wouldn't assume a build order being used against you doesn't mean that IdrA (a player that I can only presume is of higher caliber than you) wouldn't take the risk, as afterall Lotze also took the risk in game 2 by presuming IdrA would try to counter 1base collo. | ||
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