Your ladder history (and build orders) should be viewable by anyone. When you ladder you are joining a public pool of players and because of that the results should be public. However I agree 100% that you should be able to hide your private/custom games. Losing a tourney game because someone looked at your practice games and blind-countered you is pretty stupid.

People have this perception that pro SC2 players fly by the seat of their pants. Most of the time they have VERY specific build orders that they have fine tuned and practiced over and over for specific maps/MU's. Getting this information IS NOT AT ALL like scouting a team or watching film of their games. This information is akin to having them tell you what play they are going to run before they do it. This information should be private.

A football team can and should scout their opponents and watch film on their play. However they shouldn't expect the other team to hand them their playbook and tell them what play they are going to call before hiking the ball.

Achilles

Canada385 Posts

October 02 2010 18:03 GMT

#303

"In sports you can't video tape what the other team is doing" argument would only make sense if this were an invasion of the player's practice games.

In sports you can still rewatch past games to see strats.

However, I don't think match history should be public and I think replays are what killed the difference between good players and robots in brood war.

Raevin

246 Posts

October 02 2010 18:12 GMT

#304

I say NO

Unless you are a one trick pony you should have nothing to hide, NFL teams, Football teams, NBA teams cant hide their "match history".

However if you are basically a gimmick player who has 4 gate'd his way to diamond then i can understand being affraid to get caught with your pants down.

freestalker

469 Posts

October 02 2010 18:18 GMT

#305

I don't know what's the issue with this.. Every pro player should have so many ways of opening in every matchup that watching recent games should not help his opponent at all. Why do you need to hide anything?

Kinmaul

United States104 Posts

October 02 2010 18:22 GMT

#306

On October 03 2010 03:12 Raevin wrote:
I say NO

Unless you are a one trick pony you should have nothing to hide, NFL teams, Football teams, NBA teams cant hide their "match history".

However if you are basically a gimmick player who has 4 gate'd his way to diamond then i can understand being affraid to get caught with your pants down.

Ladder points are meaningless. We are talking about people practicing for tournament games which often involve money. Players practicing for tournaments often will work on unorthadox builds or have a certain map that they will have a specific build for. They will tweek these builds so that the timings on key upgrades/unit counts get done exactly when they want them to.

If you went into a game knowing your opponent was going to banshee rush you could easily stop it. If you knew that at 7 minutes there was going to be muta in your base you could stop it. If a football teams announces "hey guys this a run play!!" before hiking the ball I don't think they would win very many games.

Thing is either Blizzard can fix it or the players will. If you think nothing will be done about it you are crazy. There are already custom maps available where the triggers break the score screen at the end of the match. Trying to look at these games in the match history just results in an error. Look for these to dramatically increase in popularity if Blizzard does not address this issue.

RodrigoX

United States645 Posts

October 02 2010 18:25 GMT

#307

Its a definite need to block the match history. I mean, match history helped me, with me stealing a PvT build from TTone in my division, which Ive made pretty strong since.

I mean yeah its disappointing for the not pros, but an absolute 100 percent necessity for pros to have it blocked.

Megaman

United States19 Posts

October 02 2010 21:45 GMT

#308

The discussion taking place in much of this thread, regarding strategy and surprise/skill in matches, is interesting to see. There are some strong proponents on both sides of the issue. Many of us define "skilled" a little differently from each other.

Odeyuken

France94 Posts

October 02 2010 22:21 GMT

#309

Esports are in stake here, not ladder. Of course there are players out there that always do the same things, and those won't go far anyway. But one shouldnt have access to all the private custom games you do to prepare for one event.

Falling

Canada11475 Posts

October 02 2010 22:31 GMT

#310

Blah. Absolutely the match history should be hidden or gone.

People with your sports analogies, remember you can study opponents public games. The televised games. Absolutely. But you can not walk into their practices with a video recorder. So, please stop with the completely inapplicable comparisons.

And someone else got it right. It's equivalent to your team shouting their next play to the other team. Sure, fine if you want to play head games with your opponent. But it's kinda hard when you can't control it except using custom maps.

And for the people that want the match history kept. What's the advantage really? You can study their public games all you want. Why do you want to see their practices? Something that no sports team would tolerate.

NarutO

Germany18839 Posts

October 02 2010 22:33 GMT

#311

Or you can use the build order hider and have nothing revealed..

Falling

Canada11475 Posts

October 02 2010 22:55 GMT

#312

Right, but you also cannot use the ladder. Seems a rather round about way to fix something that could just be fixed on Blizzards end. It's quite clearly a bad idea. Or isn't it? Of what purpose is there to not have the build order hidden? There are all those public games that you are perfectly able to study.