EPTOn September 16 2010 03:39 Merikh wrote:
Avilo put up a poll you'll get extra feedback from people who don't like to post.
Avilo put up a poll you'll get extra feedback from people who don't like to post.
added a poll in OP
Blizzard needs to get rid of the match history - Page 4
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
Knowing what BO people use to top ladders should be enough information, and would also help players keep the exciting/innovative stuff for tournaments, by practicing in custom games. | ||
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BOOWOO
United States83 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:42 Zarahtra wrote: If they are just doing 1 BO, if the opponent didn't know it before the match(like watching replays/VODs of him), then he will know it when he's 1 down in bo5 or w/e. I mean it might not be a huge deal, but the idea behind being able to basically watch over your opponent while he practices is a bit absurd imo. It's not a huge deal at all. Like the poster above you said (great point), even if you know Idra's BO 100%, if you are an inferior player you're still going to lose. And its not like this option isn't available to everyone. There's no unfair adavatage to anyone because of this system. | ||
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Decko
United States150 Posts
I'm not saying that I'm right, I could very well be wrong as I don't participate in tournaments, not would I consider my self quite good enough to enter tournaments. But I think even knowing someone's build order wouldn't completely change an outcome, players of your skill level have too many openings, knowing about five or six of them wouldn't really avail them of anything. | ||
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socal50
United States93 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:46 Decko wrote: Avilo, I have a general understanding of your concerns, but I just don't see it being the threat that you assume it to be. Considering someone of your skill level has a pretty refined idea of what kind of openings you're expecting from each race in each match up, I'd say practicing would do the player better rather then studying a general trend. Even if you understand what someone's build order is, if it's a fairly typical reaper opening for example, you know the times at which something comes out, but you don't understand the efficacy of each individual move the player makes. The mechanics are still missing, essentially it's just a spread sheet of information, it's not a distinct look into exactly how someone plays. Also, I'd imagine that most of the top tier players have a general knowledge of what kind of play they're expecting in a certain match up with a certain player. I'm not saying that I'm right, I could very well be wrong as I don't participate in tournaments, not would I consider my self quite good enough to enter tournaments. But I think even knowing someone's build order wouldn't completely change an outcome, players of your skill level have too many openings, knowing about five or six of them wouldn't really avail them of anything. Having some information is always more than zero information. | ||
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IShowUMagic
United States104 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
Again, there is no argument FOR this feature when you think of all the downsides to it. Defending something for the sake of simply having it vs voting to remove a feature that has clear downsides and no clear positive benefits for anyone... | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
And, it works both ways. Yeah, the other guy can watch you play. But you can watch him play too. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:50 Elegy wrote: Anyone who thinks open match history is a good idea should learn what a prepared build is and watch the ro32 for the GSL where this feature contributed to a pretty significant upset. Again, there is no argument FOR this feature when you think of all the downsides to it. Defending something for the sake of simply having it vs voting to remove a feature that has clear downsides and no clear positive benefits for anyone... I hope you're against replays and vods too then homie, cuz it's the exact same thing. Everyone from GSL is fairly known. There are reps and vods of those players available online for studying—and you get to see the build AND gameplay in those. | ||
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:50 Elegy wrote: Anyone who thinks open match history is a good idea should learn what a prepared build is and watch the ro32 for the GSL where this feature contributed to a pretty significant upset. Again, there is no argument FOR this feature when you think of all the downsides to it. Defending something for the sake of simply having it vs voting to remove a feature that has clear downsides and no clear positive benefits for anyone... You mean where Idra saw his opponents prepared build order but then his opponent found out that Idra had seen his prepared build order so he switched it up?? Is that the "upset" you are referring to??? | ||
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comis
United States333 Posts
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:53 Hawk wrote: I hope you're against replays and vods too then homie, cuz it's the exact same thing. Everyone from GSL is fairly known. There are reps and vods of those players available online for studying—and you get to see the build AND gameplay in those. I disagree, while VoDs and replays are available everywhere that doesn't mean that a player can't make and practice a certain finely tuned opening build specifically for an opponent before a major tournament. just because there are X number of, say, tester replays of him doing a certain build certainly doesn't mean that he can't specifically craft a build vs a specific opponent that he hasn't used or shown off in a tournament before but is then shown in the match history | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
yea other players can find vods and replays of their opponent but at least those arent recent. its like your practicing for a match and your opponent is watching you every step of the way. its just dumb. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:53 Hawk wrote: I hope you're against replays and vods too then homie, cuz it's the exact same thing. Everyone from GSL is fairly known. There are reps and vods of those players available online for studying—and you get to see the build AND gameplay in those. It's not the same thing at all. Match history/build order viewing is available to everyone right now with a bnet account. Replays are only available if you find em, practice with certain people, or hand them out. Huge difference. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
If all you have is one build that you always practice, you have bigger problems than people being able to see them. | ||
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pettter
Sweden1032 Posts
Suddenly, you can play off-the-record games, under tournament conditions (since 'real' tournaments use the 'proffesional edition') | ||
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snakeyes
25 Posts
It seems this was not even on the radar until Artosis and Tasteless told everyone Idra's training tricks. It won Idra the first game, but it very clearly lost him the second. Even if Idra had won the match, his next opponent would just do what Lotze did. I just don't think we will be seeing the abuse that we expect to come from this. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
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