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On April 07 2011 07:39 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:33 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:28 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:26 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:22 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:16 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:05 Mailing wrote:
The only metagame shift I have seen while watching SC2 for the last 9~ months is that T and P are starting to get better at taking more than 2 bases..
They are starting to prefer unit composition and macro above timing attacks and cheese, partially due to the ever expanding map sizes, and it is actually working out well for them.
Mech TvZ was stopped by Mutaling. The siege tank patch didn't come out until the end of September. There was a nerf in beta patch 15, released in May. Pretty significant one, too.  Siege Tank It wasn't significant, because the number of shots to kill was still the same, except with hydras. And the Mech domination continued in phase 2, after patch 15 was released. Banelings survived splash after the nerf. Before it, a siege tank shot would kill all the banelings in its full-damage area and its half-damage area; after the nerf, banelings in the half-damage area survived a shot. The nerf meant that banelings had a much longer lifespan against sieged tanks, which made muta/bling/ling viable. You shouldn't insist, serious people are telling you it's all in the metagame :D There's a guy that just said Terran uses medivacs less? Maybe it's because their speed got nerfed.. but then I don't know, I'm not Day[9]. Seriously guys.. the "metagame" really didn't evolve that much at all if you disregard the "evolutions" related to balance changes, or those having to do with using larger maps and removing steppes etc. I'm just waiting for a poster to come in with "omg Terran stopped Thor rushing on LT in TvZ". Yeah I wonder why too. Large maps are a recent thing. Cliff drops on LT were stopped for the same reason that Mech was killed off. Zergs figured out how to take map control instead of playing roach/hydra against everything. There's no reason to be facetious when you're not even attempting to argue your case legitimately.
I am not arguing against you or anything, just asking, but didn't thor drops die off once roaches hit 4 range? I seem to remember people still doing them all the time before that patch ._. Maybe I just forgot though.
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On April 07 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:39 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:33 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:28 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:26 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:22 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:16 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:05 Mailing wrote:
The only metagame shift I have seen while watching SC2 for the last 9~ months is that T and P are starting to get better at taking more than 2 bases..
They are starting to prefer unit composition and macro above timing attacks and cheese, partially due to the ever expanding map sizes, and it is actually working out well for them.
Mech TvZ was stopped by Mutaling. The siege tank patch didn't come out until the end of September. There was a nerf in beta patch 15, released in May. Pretty significant one, too. Siege Tank It wasn't significant, because the number of shots to kill was still the same, except with hydras. And the Mech domination continued in phase 2, after patch 15 was released. Banelings survived splash after the nerf. Before it, a siege tank shot would kill all the banelings in its full-damage area and its half-damage area; after the nerf, banelings in the half-damage area survived a shot. The nerf meant that banelings had a much longer lifespan against sieged tanks, which made muta/bling/ling viable. You shouldn't insist, serious people are telling you it's all in the metagame :D There's a guy that just said Terran uses medivacs less? Maybe it's because their speed got nerfed.. but then I don't know, I'm not Day[9]. Seriously guys.. the "metagame" really didn't evolve that much at all if you disregard the "evolutions" related to balance changes, or those having to do with using larger maps and removing steppes etc. I'm just waiting for a poster to come in with "omg Terran stopped Thor rushing on LT in TvZ". Yeah I wonder why too. Large maps are a recent thing. Cliff drops on LT were stopped for the same reason that Mech was killed off. Zergs figured out how to take map control instead of playing roach/hydra against everything. There's no reason to be facetious when you're not even attempting to argue your case legitimately. I am not arguing against you or anything, just asking, but didn't thor drops die off once roaches hit 4 range? I seem to remember people still doing them all the time before that patch ._. Maybe I just forgot though.
Lol you're right too.
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On April 07 2011 06:57 NoXious90 wrote:
Show was lacking without Geoff there. Plus day9 is really fucking annoying and obnoxious. He should maybe try saying 'like' less often.
I can't really agree. I feel that Day9 completely saved that show from being really boring w/ Idra instead of Geoff. There was one point where he said 'like' about 10 times in the span of 30 seconds though.
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On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves."
can you bring the sources?
I have never seen any of them complaining about T being underpowered.
the only thing that have happened was idra complaining about dark swarm and carriers, but doesn't means he claimed that the game is imbalanced or that Terran is underpowered.
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On April 07 2011 07:48 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." can you bring the sources? I have never seen any of them complaining about T being underpowered. the only thing that have happened was idra complaining about dark swarm and carriers, but doesn't means he claimed that the game is imbalanced or that Terran is underpowered.
listen to the podcast...he mentions it
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On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF.
What aren't you getting about this? Absolute legends of BW - Nal_ra, Reach, Kingdom - couldn't figure out how to break sAviOr's ZvP. Then it happened. PvZ was unsolvable before March, 2007. After March, it was solved. You don't know the solution until it happens. That's why you give it time before making declarations.
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On April 07 2011 07:25 dapierow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:13 Talin wrote:On April 07 2011 07:07 MrCon wrote:
My only post about balance will be this small example.
2 or 3 months ago, terrans were dominating zerg with the 2 rax build. Very often zergs were dying right here. Idra and Ret commented on teamliquid that it was unbeatable (=imba).
Now, the 2 rax opening is the standard TvZ opening, and no one dies from it anymore. And nothing was patched. (the 2 rax wasn't 2 rax before depot). This ^^ Moreover, Idra ended up beating MVP's 2 rax all-in on Steppes of War. and yet a game lost to TLO's two rax at MLG, and Morrowd dropped a game in tsl to jinro because the 2 rax set him so far behind so whats that about "NO ONE dies from it anymore"
And Flash can still bunker rush in BW. So what? The difference is it's no longer something we see every game. 2rax should be still effective, because it's one strategy amongst many. It's just boring when every game is a couple marines and pull almost ever scv. A balanced game doesn't mean certain strategies will never work again. There ought to be a variety of builds and pressures that work. Baneling busts work too if Terran gets too greedy (ala Jinro). But it doesn't work every game.
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On April 07 2011 07:34 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:25 dapierow wrote:On April 07 2011 07:13 Talin wrote:On April 07 2011 07:07 MrCon wrote:
My only post about balance will be this small example.
2 or 3 months ago, terrans were dominating zerg with the 2 rax build. Very often zergs were dying right here. Idra and Ret commented on teamliquid that it was unbeatable (=imba).
Now, the 2 rax opening is the standard TvZ opening, and no one dies from it anymore. And nothing was patched. (the 2 rax wasn't 2 rax before depot). This ^^ Moreover, Idra ended up beating MVP's 2 rax all-in on Steppes of War. and yet a game lost to TLO's two rax at MLG, and Morrowd dropped a game in tsl to jinro because the 2 rax set him so far behind so whats that about "NO ONE dies from it anymore" Yeah obviously you can nitpick, but the point stand. The state of the TvP is a perfect example too.
What state of TvP? TvP is pretty balanced for the most part if you can survive the initial mm push and not lose too much of your shit. Or Terran point of view by getting the bunker(s) setup fast enough.
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On April 07 2011 07:51 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF. What aren't you getting about this? Absolute legends of BW - Nal_ra, Reach, Kingdom - couldn't figure out how to break sAviOr's ZvP. Then it happened. PvZ was unsolvable before March, 2007. After March, it was solved. You don't know the solution until it happens. That's why you give it time before making declarations.
Well, it's interesting to think what people actually mean by balance.
What if a solution exists but is _never_ found, is the game still balanced? If it is, is that a meaningful declaration?
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On April 07 2011 07:51 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF. What aren't you getting about this? Absolute legends of BW - Nal_ra, Reach, Kingdom - couldn't figure out how to break sAviOr's ZvP. Then it happened. PvZ was unsolvable before March, 2007. After March, it was solved. You don't know the solution until it happens. That's why you give it time before making declarations.
You treat the Zerg issue as if it had been a strictly ZvP problem, when there already have been many changes made to help with the ZvT matchup. Z is just shittier, everyone knows it, you're supposed to have more APM and/or game sense than P/T to play at the same level as them. I'm not sure why it's so hard to come to terms with it. But you're basically suggesting nobody has thought of this mystery unit (corsair) that Zerg will suddenly find out is awesome. I guess you don't play Zerg much.
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On April 07 2011 07:47 Swarmed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:On April 07 2011 07:39 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:33 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:28 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:26 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:22 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:16 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:05 Mailing wrote:
The only metagame shift I have seen while watching SC2 for the last 9~ months is that T and P are starting to get better at taking more than 2 bases..
They are starting to prefer unit composition and macro above timing attacks and cheese, partially due to the ever expanding map sizes, and it is actually working out well for them.
Mech TvZ was stopped by Mutaling. The siege tank patch didn't come out until the end of September. There was a nerf in beta patch 15, released in May. Pretty significant one, too. Siege Tank It wasn't significant, because the number of shots to kill was still the same, except with hydras. And the Mech domination continued in phase 2, after patch 15 was released. Banelings survived splash after the nerf. Before it, a siege tank shot would kill all the banelings in its full-damage area and its half-damage area; after the nerf, banelings in the half-damage area survived a shot. The nerf meant that banelings had a much longer lifespan against sieged tanks, which made muta/bling/ling viable. You shouldn't insist, serious people are telling you it's all in the metagame :D There's a guy that just said Terran uses medivacs less? Maybe it's because their speed got nerfed.. but then I don't know, I'm not Day[9]. Seriously guys.. the "metagame" really didn't evolve that much at all if you disregard the "evolutions" related to balance changes, or those having to do with using larger maps and removing steppes etc. I'm just waiting for a poster to come in with "omg Terran stopped Thor rushing on LT in TvZ". Yeah I wonder why too. Large maps are a recent thing. Cliff drops on LT were stopped for the same reason that Mech was killed off. Zergs figured out how to take map control instead of playing roach/hydra against everything. There's no reason to be facetious when you're not even attempting to argue your case legitimately. I am not arguing against you or anything, just asking, but didn't thor drops die off once roaches hit 4 range? I seem to remember people still doing them all the time before that patch ._. Maybe I just forgot though. Lol you're right too.
they died when every zerg realized that when they play on LT they need spine crawlers and overlords for sight... then t's used seige tanks... then LT became shattered temple
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On April 07 2011 07:46 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:39 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:33 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:28 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:26 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:22 imareaver3 wrote:On April 07 2011 07:16 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:05 Mailing wrote:
The only metagame shift I have seen while watching SC2 for the last 9~ months is that T and P are starting to get better at taking more than 2 bases..
They are starting to prefer unit composition and macro above timing attacks and cheese, partially due to the ever expanding map sizes, and it is actually working out well for them.
Mech TvZ was stopped by Mutaling. The siege tank patch didn't come out until the end of September. There was a nerf in beta patch 15, released in May. Pretty significant one, too. Siege Tank It wasn't significant, because the number of shots to kill was still the same, except with hydras. And the Mech domination continued in phase 2, after patch 15 was released. Banelings survived splash after the nerf. Before it, a siege tank shot would kill all the banelings in its full-damage area and its half-damage area; after the nerf, banelings in the half-damage area survived a shot. The nerf meant that banelings had a much longer lifespan against sieged tanks, which made muta/bling/ling viable. You shouldn't insist, serious people are telling you it's all in the metagame :D There's a guy that just said Terran uses medivacs less? Maybe it's because their speed got nerfed.. but then I don't know, I'm not Day[9]. Seriously guys.. the "metagame" really didn't evolve that much at all if you disregard the "evolutions" related to balance changes, or those having to do with using larger maps and removing steppes etc. I'm just waiting for a poster to come in with "omg Terran stopped Thor rushing on LT in TvZ". Yeah I wonder why too. Large maps are a recent thing. Cliff drops on LT were stopped for the same reason that Mech was killed off. Zergs figured out how to take map control instead of playing roach/hydra against everything. There's no reason to be facetious when you're not even attempting to argue your case legitimately. I am not arguing against you or anything, just asking, but didn't thor drops die off once roaches hit 4 range? I seem to remember people still doing them all the time before that patch ._. Maybe I just forgot though. Rewatch the first GSL finals when Rainbow drops FD. It was like two weeks before that patch came out. FD expands to the other side of the map splitting Rainbow's attack path and delaying with the Spine Crawlers. It's the extra expansions that seal it.
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On April 07 2011 07:54 Swarmed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:51 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF. What aren't you getting about this? Absolute legends of BW - Nal_ra, Reach, Kingdom - couldn't figure out how to break sAviOr's ZvP. Then it happened. PvZ was unsolvable before March, 2007. After March, it was solved. You don't know the solution until it happens. That's why you give it time before making declarations. You treat the Zerg issue as if it had been a strictly ZvP problem, when there already have been many changes made to help with the ZvT matchup. Z is just shittier, everyone knows it, you're supposed to have more APM and/or game sense than P/T to play at the same level as them. I'm not sure why it's so hard to come to terms with it. But you're basically suggesting nobody has thought of this mystery unit (corsair) that Zerg will suddenly find out is awesome. I guess you don't play Zerg much.
you are not even trying to argue but whatever...
its not like nobody used corsairs before bisu did. BUT the way he transitioned into using them and his followups are what made his build. if im wrong correct me 
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On April 07 2011 07:54 Swarmed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:51 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF. What aren't you getting about this? Absolute legends of BW - Nal_ra, Reach, Kingdom - couldn't figure out how to break sAviOr's ZvP. Then it happened. PvZ was unsolvable before March, 2007. After March, it was solved. You don't know the solution until it happens. That's why you give it time before making declarations. You treat the Zerg issue as if it had been a strictly ZvP problem, when there already have been many changes made to help with the ZvT matchup. Z is just shittier, everyone knows it, you're supposed to have more APM and/or game sense than P/T to play at the same level as them. I'm not sure why it's so hard to come to terms with it. But you're basically suggesting nobody has thought of this mystery unit (corsair) that Zerg will suddenly find out is awesome. I guess you don't play Zerg much.
I spent more time with Zerg than Artosis did. Just because playing and learning one race is harder doesn't mean it's imbalanced.
Back to Broodwar we go, where Protoss was by far the easiest race to play decently and Terran was by far the hardest. Your point of comparisons are off. And the corsair was widely used before Bisu won his MSL.
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On April 07 2011 07:59 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:51 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF. What aren't you getting about this? Absolute legends of BW - Nal_ra, Reach, Kingdom - couldn't figure out how to break sAviOr's ZvP. Then it happened. PvZ was unsolvable before March, 2007. After March, it was solved. You don't know the solution until it happens. That's why you give it time before making declarations. Pretty much this. The games are way too complex and you can't just shout op/up when things go bad for a race for some months, especially not right after patches. The game is fine, let it stay the way it is and work with what you have. Complaining and crying about imbalance will never make you a better player, however trying to find a solution to how to improve against some race and player will. Also the ZvP matchup isn't as hard as people make it seem to be right now. You have to remember the fact that there are less amazing players that play zerg compared to the other races.
really? you say ZvP isnt as hard as people make it then right after claim that there are less amazing players that play zerg compared to other races lol...
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Why would one of the commentators on StateoftheGame troll a discussion on balance during something called "State of the Game." I would think balance concerns fall under the umbrella of the show's title.
Day9s chirping in without real points to make (yea but this zerg won a tournament isn't a balance argument) was particularly annoying. Hearing a top zerg discuss game balance after two tough losses in big tourneys would have been the gem of the show. Even if one disagrees. But day9 dismissed it as silly...
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On April 07 2011 08:07 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 08:04 dapierow wrote:On April 07 2011 07:59 zeru wrote:On April 07 2011 07:51 Jibba wrote:On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF. What aren't you getting about this? Absolute legends of BW - Nal_ra, Reach, Kingdom - couldn't figure out how to break sAviOr's ZvP. Then it happened. PvZ was unsolvable before March, 2007. After March, it was solved. You don't know the solution until it happens. That's why you give it time before making declarations. Pretty much this. The games are way too complex and you can't just shout op/up when things go bad for a race for some months, especially not right after patches. The game is fine, let it stay the way it is and work with what you have. Complaining and crying about imbalance will never make you a better player, however trying to find a solution to how to improve against some race and player will. Also the ZvP matchup isn't as hard as people make it seem to be right now. You have to remember the fact that there are less amazing players that play zerg compared to the other races. really? you say ZvP isnt as hard as people make it then right after claim that there are less amazing players that play zerg compared to other races lol... Are you trying to say that there are just as many amazing zerg as there are t/p
It's say it's a flawed question based around the premise of if there are up/op things at the moment. Those who see the game as balanced feel zerg players are weaker. Those who think zerg is UP use the lack of top zergs only as an example of how bad the race is.
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On April 07 2011 07:42 Swarmed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 07:39 suejak wrote:On April 07 2011 07:36 Swarmed wrote:
@dapierow
Oh but what a coincidence, Artosis who actually played Zerg would also be "whining" about it.
It's like a curse, you play Zerg and them BAM, that race just HAPPENS to make you complain about balance. Even Morrow! Crazy isnt it? You do realize that Morrow, Idra, and especially Artosis complained connnstantly about Terran being underpowered in Brood War? So you either have to say, "Terran is UP in BW," or you have to say, "These players are easily frustrated by poor results, which leads them to blaming the game instead of themselves." Ok, let's add Dimaga, Fruitdealer himself, and just about everyone who's played Zerg at a competitive level. Seriously, show me a good Zerg player with some results that hasn't complained about balance at some point or another. GLHF. Edit: not to mention Sen (who is always mentioned as one of the best Zergs) and his famous forcefield video.
ImLosirA, he won Code A. Never heard the guy complain, always a smile on his face.
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