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On July 03 2012 01:41 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 17:47 TechNoTrance wrote:On July 02 2012 17:07 tdt wrote:
Funny idra calling ppl terrible... guess its all relative eh? That is pretty shallow logic seeing as how Idra was once a top pro, only recently slumping (while still now being a top foreigner). I'm not quite sure how you can group Idra and Avilo (who is barely relevent besides causing drama) together as "terrible". That's some logic ya got there. I just thought it was fuuny a player with <40% tlpd recent w/r calling another terrible, especially a top GM.
tlpd only counts games that matter. ladder doesnt matter.
and idra is much higher than avilo on ladder--if that even matters considering NA ladder is a joke.
http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/693604/EGIdrA
http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/am
avilo may not even be ranked GM this season.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/327563/LgNavilo
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On July 01 2012 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 03:52 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 02:54 Bleak wrote:On July 01 2012 02:45 kafkaesque wrote:On July 01 2012 02:41 Papulatus wrote:On July 01 2012 02:35 WilDMousE wrote:
Sorry to ask but can someone link me the "mia rose" episode that incontrol tends to talk about? Its the last episode in 2011 and something like 3+ hours long. Should stand out among the other episodes. I still remember his rib-cracking joke along those lines: "Yeah, he's the biggest asshole in SC2. After Mia Rose, obviously." I always spat my coffee onto my keyboard, that was so unexpected... I guess that was funny for you? The girl obviously did not want to speak about porn (because she stated that she retired from being a porn actress and wanted to start a new beginning with streaming game) but Geoff kept it going on and on and on... It was a good joke in bad taste. Yeah, I laughed. If you get on a show with Incontrol and IdrA, whose ungoing existance in the world of E-Sports is based upon providing polarizing content for the community, you expect to be made fun of. Where do you think IdrA and Geoff would be, if they were judged only by their ability? There certainly aren't put food on their tables on tournament winnings. However you call it, and if you like it or not, it's their job to be condescending and insulting to people and say stuff people talk about and if you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on their show. It's true..I made her the butt of too many jokes. I feel like an ass but with the potential loss of RIM jobs we have bigger things (WINK WINK) to worry about.
Usually if people are kinda obsessed with other people's sexlifes I tell them, that this is a strong sign, that they really need to get laid.
... oh wait.
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Doesn't Idra have like a 30% win rate this year? He's been devolving for months skill wise and the whole bad boy elitist image doesn't work anymore. Less trash talk, more practice
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On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence.
Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now!
Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool
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On July 03 2012 05:38 Diavlo wrote:
IdrA isn't criticizing MKP for having a weird style or a wide range of builds, he stated numerous times (about Violet, Coca, MVP) that it's a very good thing to have those. He doesn't like MKP because he thinks his style just comes from poor understanding of the game.
Damn. Just imagine how great MKP could be doing if only he had IdrA's keen understanding of the game.
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On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool
What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you.
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On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you.
avilo and his troupe would then complain rock is imbalanced, and demand that it be allowed a 1/3 chance of beating paper.
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On July 03 2012 06:06 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. avilo and his troupe would then complain rock is imbalanced, and demand that it be allowed a 1/3 chance of beating paper.
Should be a 50 percent chance of beating paper if they want it to be fair. =P
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On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you.
Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example.
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On July 03 2012 05:38 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 05:11 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 05:06 Defacer wrote:
I actually agree with IdrA ... there is something about MKP's approach to the game that seems gimmicky and terrible.
Can you try and pinpoint it? Too much micro? Too much aggression? Too much innovation? Too much shit that makes no sense whatsoever and are sometimes compensate by amazing micro (and as of the last 6 month great macro). For example, he played against White-ra at IPL who was going 3 robos colossus, MKP responded and stayed on pure marines with 20 ghost and absolutely no medivacs for 15 minutes. In the code A ro24 in gsl, played on Ohana against yugioh who went for pure ling-infestors (up to like 15) and later ultralisk. MKP never made a ghost. And if you look at his earlier days it's actually silly how much his decision-making was hurting him, there was a point where he was actually making only marines against infestor-blings and BFH-tanks. Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 05:12 Shiori wrote:On July 03 2012 05:06 Defacer wrote:
I actually agree with IdrA ... there is something about MKP's approach to the game that seems gimmicky and terrible.
I'm sure IdrA still has issues with Huk's style, even though they're teammates.
It may have less to do with whether or not guys like MKP or Huk are actually bad, but more to do with style and personal taste. IdrA doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that likes watching people play risky builds or make shortcuts to gain an advantage.
Idra doesn't realize that his style is actually the worst sort imaginable. People are just addicted to the idea that playing "standard" is somehow more honourable or skillful than being able to metagame/gimmick/all-in your opponent. IdrA isn't criticizing MKP for having a weird style or a wide range of builds, he stated numerous times (about Violet, Coca, MVP) that it's a very good thing to have those. He doesn't like MKP because he thinks his style just comes from poor understanding of the game.
MKP can switch it up very well. He plays oftentimes gimmicki and plays bad strategies by intention. But he can pull the switch very well. He can play serious style, with good builds, good strategies and patience and clever movement. But he is actually a player who enjoys playing and he enjoys doing weird stuff.
And Idra... With his silly comments... I don't know if he tries to be funny about them, but if, he's really bad at it. And if he is serious with them, poor boy. Work on your own skill and gameunderstanding! Because Idra is one of the worst pro zergs when it comes down to decision making!
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On July 03 2012 06:11 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example.
ok but roach bane isnt even allin anymore it outrights kills the vast majority of greedy builds from terrans and theres a ton of abusive stuff u can do like 8lings or mass speedlings 3rd bboongbboong stlye and so on, terran doesnt really have anything similar now
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On July 03 2012 06:18 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:11 blade55555 wrote:On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example. ok but roach bane isnt even allin anymore it outrights kills the vast majority of greedy builds from terrans and theres a ton of abusive stuff u can do like 8lings or mass speedlings 3rd bboongbboong stlye and so on, terran doesnt really have anything similar now
Sure they do. 2 rax pressure isn't all in. It forces lings and possible spine. Zerg wont' be doing 15 hatch 6 queens before gas that's for sure, not vs 2 rax as you need to make quiet a few lings for it. Terran can do bio pushes, force units but not commit. If zerg doesn't make lings/spine and is just going for queens and your 2 rax hits he's going to die.
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On July 03 2012 06:18 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:11 blade55555 wrote:On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example. ok but roach bane isnt even allin anymore it outrights kills the vast majority of greedy builds from terrans and theres a ton of abusive stuff u can do like 8lings or mass speedlings 3rd bboongbboong stlye and so on, terran doesnt really have anything similar now
It's still very very all in. That hasn't changed. Queens have more range now! Therefore roaches and banelings are free and turn into drones when they die! Wut????
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On July 03 2012 06:20 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:18 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:On July 03 2012 06:11 blade55555 wrote:On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example. ok but roach bane isnt even allin anymore it outrights kills the vast majority of greedy builds from terrans and theres a ton of abusive stuff u can do like 8lings or mass speedlings 3rd bboongbboong stlye and so on, terran doesnt really have anything similar now Sure they do. 2 rax pressure isn't all in. It forces lings and possible spine. Zerg wont' be doing 15 hatch 6 queens before gas that's for sure, not vs 2 rax as you need to make quiet a few lings for it. Terran can do bio pushes, force units but not commit. If zerg doesn't make lings/spine and is just going for queens and your 2 rax hits he's going to die.
ok bio pushes are nice but 2rax is still super risky and puts u behind if zerg deals with it perfectly. like bboongbboong goes mass speedlings or roach push into 3rd every tvz and u cant even hardcounter that, even tho thats all he does. if t doesnt die, fine macro game. things like 3rax shields 3rd are insanely abusable. just like bio in general anyway it works but u cant use it everygame vs zergs who actually did study it and know the weaknesses. for now terrans dont know solid ways to tvz, even if theres no imbalance thats the way it is right now. i just think the risk/reward is much better for zerg for early game, kinda reverse of what steppes of war tvz was
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On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you.
But zerg has a build that can kill a terran in 7 mins, so what you are saying is:
Zergs can kill greedy terrans but terrans should not be able to do so, that would just be too unfair.
I am not here to say ZERG > TERRAN... but if you going to argue at least make Non retarded comments....
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On July 03 2012 06:21 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:18 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:On July 03 2012 06:11 blade55555 wrote:On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example. ok but roach bane isnt even allin anymore it outrights kills the vast majority of greedy builds from terrans and theres a ton of abusive stuff u can do like 8lings or mass speedlings 3rd bboongbboong stlye and so on, terran doesnt really have anything similar now It's still very very all in. That hasn't changed. Queens have more range now! Therefore roaches and banelings are free and turn into drones when they die! Wut????
lol constructive post stephano uses it everygame and if it fails he still has a macro game vs top koreans so
drg does do that a lot too. theres way to transition if u have good decision making and mechanics, and u will do dmg unless its hardcountered
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On July 03 2012 06:25 heaven- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. But zerg has a build that can kill a terran in 7 mins, so what you are saying is: Zergs can kill greedy terrans but terrans should not be able to do so, that would just be too unfair. I am not here to say ZERG > TERRAN... but if you going to argue at least make Non retarded comments....
What build would that be?
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On July 03 2012 06:26 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:21 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 06:18 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:On July 03 2012 06:11 blade55555 wrote:On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example. ok but roach bane isnt even allin anymore it outrights kills the vast majority of greedy builds from terrans and theres a ton of abusive stuff u can do like 8lings or mass speedlings 3rd bboongbboong stlye and so on, terran doesnt really have anything similar now It's still very very all in. That hasn't changed. Queens have more range now! Therefore roaches and banelings are free and turn into drones when they die! Wut???? lol constructive post stephano uses it everygame and if it fails he still has a macro game vs top koreans so drg does do that a lot too. theres way to transition if u have good decision making and mechanics, and u will do dmg unless its hardcountered
Well what I have a problem with is that you say something is not all in "anymore." Queens getting more range doesnt mean all ins become non all ins.
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On July 03 2012 06:28 MichaelDonovan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 06:26 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:On July 03 2012 06:21 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 06:18 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:On July 03 2012 06:11 blade55555 wrote:On July 03 2012 06:02 MichaelDonovan wrote:On July 03 2012 05:52 dvorakftw wrote:On July 03 2012 01:51 Larkin wrote:
Then he loses to an all-in because he played too greedy. Which is just StarCraft in essence. Oh and another thing, I AGREE WITH YOU! I bet avilo agrees with you too. The problem is Terrans can't punish greedy Zergs now! Tell me a Terran build that wins a game at the 7minute mark like Zitko did vs. DeMu in WCS finals game 3 that doesn't involve something like forgetting to make a spawning pool What the fuck? There isn't supposed to be a build that wins at the seven minute mark. Sneaking 4 hellions into your opponent's base and autowinning by killing 10 drones isn't viable any more! oh no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you're looking for a build that wins at 7 minutes without going completely all in you should play a different game. Have you considered rock paper scissors? That may be better for you. Yup this lol. There should never a build that will win you the game at 7 minutes most of the time. All ins or a build where you want to win early are based on how well your opponent reacts and defends. Just face palm at his "tell me a terran build that wins a game at the 7 minute mark" -_-. Proxy 2 rax can work but shouldn't ever work all the time for example. ok but roach bane isnt even allin anymore it outrights kills the vast majority of greedy builds from terrans and theres a ton of abusive stuff u can do like 8lings or mass speedlings 3rd bboongbboong stlye and so on, terran doesnt really have anything similar now It's still very very all in. That hasn't changed. Queens have more range now! Therefore roaches and banelings are free and turn into drones when they die! Wut???? lol constructive post stephano uses it everygame and if it fails he still has a macro game vs top koreans so drg does do that a lot too. theres way to transition if u have good decision making and mechanics, and u will do dmg unless its hardcountered Well what I have a problem with is that you say something is not all in "anymore." Queens getting more range doesnt mean all ins become non all ins.
theyre not the only reason, but its nice to know that if all ur opponent has is hellions and banshee u can just build more queens and drones. or that queens actually beat combat shields rines if u get enough of them, in a hugely cost effective manner. like yea sometimes u will go roach banes and terran will hardcounter it, u lose everything, and u dont prepare enough to the counter attack and die, but if u make every right move u will have a macro game out of it. the "anymore" is zerg figuring out how to do it properly+ the fact that droning is safer now helps it
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On July 03 2012 01:57 TechNoTrance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 01:41 tdt wrote:On July 02 2012 17:47 TechNoTrance wrote:On July 02 2012 17:07 tdt wrote:
Funny idra calling ppl terrible... guess its all relative eh? That is pretty shallow logic seeing as how Idra was once a top pro, only recently slumping (while still now being a top foreigner). I'm not quite sure how you can group Idra and Avilo (who is barely relevent besides causing drama) together as "terrible". That's some logic ya got there. I just thought it was fuuny a player with <40% tlpd recent w/r calling another terrible, especially a top GM. Ok, but compared to Idra, Avilo is still terrible, slump or not. I just find calling someone terrible who is still better than most foreigners when he slumps is silly. Unless of couse you didn't actually know what the word "relative" meant in that context and didn't mean to imply that Idra was "terrible" (which is exactly what you said). Saying Idra shouldn't call someone bad while slumping is one thing, but calling him terrible is ridiculous (though likely you misused that word).
yes we can all agree avilo is on a whole different level of bad, i've never even heard of him prior to this show. is he seriously a pro player? lol. but idra isnt in a slump he was just never that good to begin with.
doing stuff like GGing won games to hallucinated void rays and after MMA destroys his own CC is not the mark of a champion, its the mark of a loser. he has a shitty attitude and it reflects in his results. he's won a few tournaments here and there but he is no longer relevant at all. his success was early on in the game when everyone was still learning, but koreans surpassed him and now foreigners are too. his last big game that actually had koreans was what? IEM guangzhou? yeah he's just not good anymore.
and i'm not sure if he's serious when he disses MKP. if he's not trolling, then just wow lol. i'd put down ten grand in an MKP idra money match and bet it on MKP every single time.
he and incontrol make money not based on their skill which clearly isn't there, but on their asshole personas
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