Often I have stalked these forums, lurking in the depths of 'unregistered guests'. But finally after watching the latest 'State of the Game' I felt that I needed to sign up and make a comment.
I feel that in general the idea of 'State of the Game' is brilliant. It gives a good view from a pro gamers viewpoint and is very informative. However, the behaviour of some of the highly recognisable members of the e-sport scene were, quite frankly, disgusting. No matter what they personally think of the guest they invited to the show and the validity of their comments, all guests that are invited and are only putting their views against anothers, should be shown common courtesy. The way that Avilo was treated was quite possibly the most unprofessional way I have ever seen anybody treated, not mention just damn right nasty in how people should treat another person and their views.
I think people like these are the main reason why e-sports will not be considered a masssively marketable venture, until the people that are directly involved and have a prominent position within it start acting more proffessionally. How many other sports do you watch where interviews and talk shows are littered with swearing and other choice subjects.
I hope I don't come accross as somebody who doesn't like or even see a great future for e-Sports, in fact it's something that I have been looking a great deal into investing in. However, I think for other big companies to even consider sponsoring or advertising within the e-sport scene, I think people need to start looking at their behavior when they are producing content for the masses.
On July 02 2012 17:07 tdt wrote: Funny idra calling ppl terrible... guess its all relative eh?
That is pretty shallow logic seeing as how Idra was once a top pro, only recently slumping (while still now being a top foreigner). I'm not quite sure how you can group Idra and Avilo (who is barely relevent besides causing drama) together as "terrible". That's some logic ya got there.
I just thought it was fuuny a player with <40% tlpd recent w/r calling another terrible, especially a top GM.
Idra has won or placed far higher in multipule tournaments over the years in both SC2 and BW. Avilo has not, though could in the future. Being in a slump is part of being a professional. Every player has them and it does not diminish their previous accomplishments.
He has called nestea and mkp terrible as well.
Unless he has better performance then those two as well?
Besides the ones that are actually good don't need to talk others down.
He called nestea terrible when he WAS terrible, if you can remember the first season of GSL... I'm pretty sure the whole MKP is terrible is kind of a joke now, altho yes he really thought it and was wrong about it.
Sure idra fanboy.
So he got good overnight then, since he won season 2.
Also for the others it might be a joke, but Idra is somehow actually serious when he says Mkp does random shit/is bad. Just cause he can't follow the guy. (aka Idra his problem, every1 should play the game the way he thinks is ''normal'')
I don't get how people accept that at all or even like him for it, shitting on players that are better then he will ever be.
I don't get why Idra fan boys are regarded as a bad thing. It's the usually the anti Idra people that are most annoying.
As we can see from this little guys post, he twists words, uses little to no evidence and some how knows the inner most personal thoughts of the person he dislikes.
The easiest way to identify such a specimen is the immediate statement of calling someone an Idra fan boy, even if no opinion on the subject has been stated.
It is also possible to spot these little guys in balance discussions when they mention Idra, no matter how irrelevant it may be.
On July 03 2012 21:34 Chaos732 wrote: Often I have stalked these forums, lurking in the depths of 'unregistered guests'. But finally after watching the latest 'State of the Game' I felt that I needed to sign up and make a comment.
I feel that in general the idea of 'State of the Game' is brilliant. It gives a good view from a pro gamers viewpoint and is very informative. However, the behaviour of some of the highly recognisable members of the e-sport scene were, quite frankly, disgusting. No matter what they personally think of the guest they invited to the show and the validity of their comments, all guests that are invited and are only putting their views against anothers, should be shown common courtesy. The way that Avilo was treated was quite possibly the most unprofessional way I have ever seen anybody treated, not mention just damn right nasty in how people should treat another person and their views.
I think people like these are the main reason why e-sports will not be considered a masssively marketable venture, until the people that are directly involved and have a prominent position within it start acting more proffessionally. How many other sports do you watch where interviews and talk shows are littered with swearing and other choice subjects.
I hope I don't come accross as somebody who doesn't like or even see a great future for e-Sports, in fact it's something that I have been looking a great deal into investing in. However, I think for other big companies to even consider sponsoring or advertising within the e-sport scene, I think people need to start looking at their behavior when they are producing content for the masses.
I don't mean to be rude, but do you know who Avilo is and his history in StarCraft 2? Because if not, I can absolutely understand where you are coming from. If you do know who Avilo is though, I think you are being a bit overly critical of the guys on State of the Game. If you don't know who Avilo is, to sum it up he basically just constantly trashes anybody and everybody he possibly can, such as the guys on SotG, just to draw attention to himself. He put on his nice guy attitude for the 5 minutes he actually had in the spotlight to make it seem like he's the victim, but in reality he is the one who provokes all the negative treatment he receives. Yes it may not be professional to invite him on and then trash him on the air, which was mostly just Idra really, but I don't think that eSports is at that point yet where everybody needs to be walking on egg shells when in the public eye because they are afraid to offend somebody, and honestly I think that's a good thing.
I want people to be themselves and say what they want to say and if it is out of line then let them be punished by the community, not the sponsors. I think the freedom that we still have in eSports, despite being massively more popular then 2-3 years ago, should be embraced and appreciated while it lasts. Without it I don't think State of the Game would even exist, iNcontroL and Nony would not be two of my favorite players because I wouldn't know them as a person, only a player, we wouldn't have things being released for free, like the Liquid Rising documentary, which teamliquid relied on donations to fund.
Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
On July 03 2012 21:34 Chaos732 wrote: Often I have stalked these forums, lurking in the depths of 'unregistered guests'. But finally after watching the latest 'State of the Game' I felt that I needed to sign up and make a comment.
I feel that in general the idea of 'State of the Game' is brilliant. It gives a good view from a pro gamers viewpoint and is very informative. However, the behaviour of some of the highly recognisable members of the e-sport scene were, quite frankly, disgusting. No matter what they personally think of the guest they invited to the show and the validity of their comments, all guests that are invited and are only putting their views against anothers, should be shown common courtesy. The way that Avilo was treated was quite possibly the most unprofessional way I have ever seen anybody treated, not mention just damn right nasty in how people should treat another person and their views.
I think people like these are the main reason why e-sports will not be considered a masssively marketable venture, until the people that are directly involved and have a prominent position within it start acting more proffessionally. How many other sports do you watch where interviews and talk shows are littered with swearing and other choice subjects.
I hope I don't come accross as somebody who doesn't like or even see a great future for e-Sports, in fact it's something that I have been looking a great deal into investing in. However, I think for other big companies to even consider sponsoring or advertising within the e-sport scene, I think people need to start looking at their behavior when they are producing content for the masses.
I don't mean to be rude, but do you know who Avilo is and his history in StarCraft 2? Because if not, I can absolutely understand where you are coming from. If you do know who Avilo is though, I think you are being a bit overly critical of the guys on State of the Game. If you don't know who Avilo is, to sum it up he basically just constantly trashes anybody and everybody he possibly can, such as the guys on SotG, just to draw attention to himself. He put on his nice guy attitude for the 5 minutes he actually had in the spotlight to make it seem like he's the victim, but in reality he is the one who provokes all the negative treatment he receives. Yes it may not be professional to invite him on and then trash him on the air, which was mostly just Idra really, but I don't think that eSports is at that point yet where everybody needs to be walking on egg shells when in the public eye because they are afraid to offend somebody, and honestly I think that's a good thing.
I want people to be themselves and say what they want to say and if it is out of line then let them be punished by the community, not the sponsors. I think the freedom that we still have in eSports, despite being massively more popular then 2-3 years ago, should be embraced and appreciated while it lasts. Without it I don't think State of the Game would even exist, iNcontroL and Nony would not be two of my favorite players because I wouldn't know them as a person, only a player, we wouldn't have things being released for free, like the Liquid Rising documentary, which teamliquid relied on donations to fund.
Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
Wow, way to sum up how I feel about the issue.
Wonderfully said. Thanks! This also happens to be my exact opinion. I'm sort of afraid the day public figures begin to censure themselves due to the market.
On July 03 2012 21:34 Chaos732 wrote: Often I have stalked these forums, lurking in the depths of 'unregistered guests'. But finally after watching the latest 'State of the Game' I felt that I needed to sign up and make a comment.
I feel that in general the idea of 'State of the Game' is brilliant. It gives a good view from a pro gamers viewpoint and is very informative. However, the behaviour of some of the highly recognisable members of the e-sport scene were, quite frankly, disgusting. No matter what they personally think of the guest they invited to the show and the validity of their comments, all guests that are invited and are only putting their views against anothers, should be shown common courtesy. The way that Avilo was treated was quite possibly the most unprofessional way I have ever seen anybody treated, not mention just damn right nasty in how people should treat another person and their views.
I think people like these are the main reason why e-sports will not be considered a masssively marketable venture, until the people that are directly involved and have a prominent position within it start acting more proffessionally. How many other sports do you watch where interviews and talk shows are littered with swearing and other choice subjects.
I hope I don't come accross as somebody who doesn't like or even see a great future for e-Sports, in fact it's something that I have been looking a great deal into investing in. However, I think for other big companies to even consider sponsoring or advertising within the e-sport scene, I think people need to start looking at their behavior when they are producing content for the masses.
I don't mean to be rude, but do you know who Avilo is and his history in StarCraft 2? Because if not, I can absolutely understand where you are coming from. If you do know who Avilo is though, I think you are being a bit overly critical of the guys on State of the Game. If you don't know who Avilo is, to sum it up he basically just constantly trashes anybody and everybody he possibly can, such as the guys on SotG, just to draw attention to himself. He put on his nice guy attitude for the 5 minutes he actually had in the spotlight to make it seem like he's the victim, but in reality he is the one who provokes all the negative treatment he receives. Yes it may not be professional to invite him on and then trash him on the air, which was mostly just Idra really, but I don't think that eSports is at that point yet where everybody needs to be walking on egg shells when in the public eye because they are afraid to offend somebody, and honestly I think that's a good thing.
I want people to be themselves and say what they want to say and if it is out of line then let them be punished by the community, not the sponsors. I think the freedom that we still have in eSports, despite being massively more popular then 2-3 years ago, should be embraced and appreciated while it lasts. Without it I don't think State of the Game would even exist, iNcontroL and Nony would not be two of my favorite players because I wouldn't know them as a person, only a player, we wouldn't have things being released for free, like the Liquid Rising documentary, which teamliquid relied on donations to fund.
Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
I don't think you were rude at all, and for the record I didn't know who this Avilo fella is. However, as said by yourself I think that the way he was treated was just very unprofessional. In my opinion, if the guy is known for constantly trashing people and there was always a chance of Idra ripping in to him then why bother, nobody had anything to gain from it. (Is Idra said infact.) I actually like every single one of the guys on SOTG and I think that there is a good mix within the group.
I appreciate everything you said and I even understand the opinion you have put forward. The community that surrounds e-sports, and Starcraft in particluar, is brilliant and something that everyone that contributes to should be proud of. But I do feel that if e-sports is to move forward then, maybe unfortunately, peoples attitudes are going to have to be 'cleaned up' and a certain degree of professionalism has to be brought into the game. This is not just aimed at the SOTG guys, but at any one who represents the e-sport scene to the general public.
On July 01 2012 14:09 Ireniicus wrote: I contacted SirScoots to the affect I would not watch the latest EG mastercup because of the last SOTG antics. As you can imagine he was unrepentant advised I should just unfollow all EG, which is a shame as I quite like listening to the guy on Lo3 .
So I think the message is clear. If it didn't bother you carry on and enjoy the shows if it did best let EG know that you will not be supporting them at this time as its clear their management team see nothing wrong whatsoever with EGIdra or EGIncontrols actions of late.
SirScoots @ "Underreaction, you should unfollow all things EG, myself included if they upset you so much."
If you are really unhappy, contact the sponsors. That appears to be the only thing that actually gets things done. As long as you contact sponsors when you see some good things too I don't believe there is anything wrong with it.
the thing that gets things done is having a legitimate complaint
Your ignorance/arrogance at its prime.
Please, enlighten us to the insights that you have that he, the longtime pro-player, does not have.
I didn't really know who avilo was, so originally I thought it was a bit harsh and uncalled for how he was treated.
But after seeing some of the things he had said about the hosts before even going on the show, I can't help but feel it was all justified. Karma, if you will.
On July 03 2012 21:34 Chaos732 wrote: Often I have stalked these forums, lurking in the depths of 'unregistered guests'. But finally after watching the latest 'State of the Game' I felt that I needed to sign up and make a comment.
I feel that in general the idea of 'State of the Game' is brilliant. It gives a good view from a pro gamers viewpoint and is very informative. However, the behaviour of some of the highly recognisable members of the e-sport scene were, quite frankly, disgusting. No matter what they personally think of the guest they invited to the show and the validity of their comments, all guests that are invited and are only putting their views against anothers, should be shown common courtesy. The way that Avilo was treated was quite possibly the most unprofessional way I have ever seen anybody treated, not mention just damn right nasty in how people should treat another person and their views.
I think people like these are the main reason why e-sports will not be considered a masssively marketable venture, until the people that are directly involved and have a prominent position within it start acting more proffessionally. How many other sports do you watch where interviews and talk shows are littered with swearing and other choice subjects.
I hope I don't come accross as somebody who doesn't like or even see a great future for e-Sports, in fact it's something that I have been looking a great deal into investing in. However, I think for other big companies to even consider sponsoring or advertising within the e-sport scene, I think people need to start looking at their behavior when they are producing content for the masses.
I don't mean to be rude, but do you know who Avilo is and his history in StarCraft 2? Because if not, I can absolutely understand where you are coming from. If you do know who Avilo is though, I think you are being a bit overly critical of the guys on State of the Game. If you don't know who Avilo is, to sum it up he basically just constantly trashes anybody and everybody he possibly can, such as the guys on SotG, just to draw attention to himself. He put on his nice guy attitude for the 5 minutes he actually had in the spotlight to make it seem like he's the victim, but in reality he is the one who provokes all the negative treatment he receives. Yes it may not be professional to invite him on and then trash him on the air, which was mostly just Idra really, but I don't think that eSports is at that point yet where everybody needs to be walking on egg shells when in the public eye because they are afraid to offend somebody, and honestly I think that's a good thing.
I want people to be themselves and say what they want to say and if it is out of line then let them be punished by the community, not the sponsors. I think the freedom that we still have in eSports, despite being massively more popular then 2-3 years ago, should be embraced and appreciated while it lasts. Without it I don't think State of the Game would even exist, iNcontroL and Nony would not be two of my favorite players because I wouldn't know them as a person, only a player, we wouldn't have things being released for free, like the Liquid Rising documentary, which teamliquid relied on donations to fund.
Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
I don't think you were rude at all, and for the record I didn't know who this Avilo fella is. However, as said by yourself I think that the way he was treated was just very unprofessional. In my opinion, if the guy is known for constantly trashing people and there was always a chance of Idra ripping in to him then why bother, nobody had anything to gain from it. (Is Idra said infact.) I actually like every single one of the guys on SOTG and I think that there is a good mix within the group.
I appreciate everything you said and I even understand the opinion you have put forward. The community that surrounds e-sports, and Starcraft in particluar, is brilliant and something that everyone that contributes to should be proud of. But I do feel that if e-sports is to move forward then, maybe unfortunately, peoples attitudes are going to have to be 'cleaned up' and a certain degree of professionalism has to be brought into the game. This is not just aimed at the SOTG guys, but at any one who represents the e-sport scene to the general public.
Yeah I know what you mean. I think in hindsight inviting Avilo on the show wasn't a great idea but personally it didn't really bother me, it just didn't add much to the show. I think that is why he only appeared briefly before they kicked him off. And you may be right that if we want eSports to move forward -- like be broadcast on TV for example -- then prominent figures might need to clean up their public behavior a little, but that may never happen and even if it could, I think we need to decide whether or not that is what we want. I wouldn't want things to change for the worse just for the sake of becoming bigger and more mainstream or whatever, and I am sure that nobody wants that (except the ones who would profit from it ). But if it is a change for the better then of course it is something that should be changed. I stated my personal opinion in my previous post, but I understand that not everybody may agree. I just wouldn't want to see people sacrifice what has drawn so many people to SC2 and eSports and kept so many people interested because we have become too fixated on making eSports "bigger".
On July 03 2012 22:27 ApBuLLet wrote: Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
I honestly can't make sense of this. First, I don't see how it's beneficial to the players that lousy childish behavior is encouraged which will prevent things from ever gong from niche to mainstream.
And you think the connection will be lost? Do you mean you are worried about if there were millions or even just hundreds of thousands watching instead of tens of thousands the players wouldn't give you the time of day? Or do you mean that if things go mainstream and IdrA has to behave like a semi-adult he simply won't be allowed to talk to anyone at all?
On July 03 2012 22:27 ApBuLLet wrote: Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
I honestly can't make sense of this. First, I don't see how it's beneficial to the players that lousy childish behavior is encouraged which will prevent things from ever gong from niche to mainstream.
And you think the connection will be lost? Do you mean you are worried about if there were millions or even just hundreds of thousands watching instead of tens of thousands the players wouldn't give you the time of day? Or do you mean that if things go mainstream and IdrA has to behave like a semi-adult he simply won't be allowed to talk to anyone at all?
No one is saying childish behavior is encouraged.. Not sure how you got that from what he said. Do tell?
On July 03 2012 22:27 ApBuLLet wrote: Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
I honestly can't make sense of this. First, I don't see how it's beneficial to the players that lousy childish behavior is encouraged which will prevent things from ever gong from niche to mainstream.
And you think the connection will be lost? Do you mean you are worried about if there were millions or even just hundreds of thousands watching instead of tens of thousands the players wouldn't give you the time of day? Or do you mean that if things go mainstream and IdrA has to behave like a semi-adult he simply won't be allowed to talk to anyone at all?
you don't need to be professional or even mature to go mainstream. just look at bill o'reilly, he has his own tv show and he's cut people's mics off and kicked people off his show multiple times. you either love him or you hate him but it doesn't make him any less popular. if anything it makes him more popular. what will make esports go mainstream is getting people talking. if we didnt have drama or threads like this our sport would just be any other boring pointless hobby to outsiders.
what is it that makes sports popular? the intrinsic act of swimming does not make swimming a popular sport, michael phelps winning 8 gold medals and creating a dramatic story makes it popular. same with tiger woods and golf, bobby fischer and chess. michael phelps also smoked weed, tiger woods had affairs, bobby fischer was an anti-semite america hater. but none of their sports saw any less popularity from their bad behavior. personal image might be affected, but you can't hate a sport just because you hate one of its players. you can't get mad at basketball just because you think kobe bryant is a horrible person. you don't see basketball forums with people yelling "kobe bryant is killing basketball!". it doesn't work like that, and when and how the SC2 community made that connection is beyond me.
idra for his part is one of the most popular SC2 players even though his level of skill is not near being the best. even when he's expected to lose people don't want to miss idra games. that's popularity, that's mainstream. players like idra are good for e-sports. shows like SotG are good for esports. you complain and you whine but you'll still watch the show, and that's how we know they're doing it right.
On July 03 2012 22:27 ApBuLLet wrote: Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
I honestly can't make sense of this. First, I don't see how it's beneficial to the players that lousy childish behavior is encouraged which will prevent things from ever gong from niche to mainstream.
And you think the connection will be lost? Do you mean you are worried about if there were millions or even just hundreds of thousands watching instead of tens of thousands the players wouldn't give you the time of day? Or do you mean that if things go mainstream and IdrA has to behave like a semi-adult he simply won't be allowed to talk to anyone at all?
what is it that makes sports popular? the intrinsic act of swimming does not make swimming a popular sport, michael phelps winning 8 gold medals and creating a dramatic story makes it popular. same with tiger woods and golf, bobby fischer and chess. michael phelps also smoked weed, tiger woods had affairs, bobby fischer was an anti-semite america hater. but none of their sports saw any less popularity from their bad behavior. personal image might be affected, but you can't hate a sport just because you hate one of its players. you can't get mad at basketball just because you think kobe bryant is a horrible person. you don't see basketball forums with people yelling "kobe bryant is killing basketball!". it doesn't work like that, and when and how the SC2 community made that connection is beyond me.
If I may disregard the rest of your post, not agreeing or disagreeing with it, the connection holds some ground because of how fragile the scene still is. Italian soccer has had 2 or 3 match-fixing scandals in the last 10 years and it's going fine, while it took one match-fixing scandal to almost destroy the BW scene. It's not the same because the scale isn't even comparable, each event in professional Starcraft has much more weight because the size of its scene is much smaller in comparison.
On July 02 2012 17:07 tdt wrote: Funny idra calling ppl terrible... guess its all relative eh?
That is pretty shallow logic seeing as how Idra was once a top pro, only recently slumping (while still now being a top foreigner). I'm not quite sure how you can group Idra and Avilo (who is barely relevent besides causing drama) together as "terrible". That's some logic ya got there.
I just thought it was fuuny a player with <40% tlpd recent w/r calling another terrible, especially a top GM.
Idra has won or placed far higher in multipule tournaments over the years in both SC2 and BW. Avilo has not, though could in the future. Being in a slump is part of being a professional. Every player has them and it does not diminish their previous accomplishments.
He has called nestea and mkp terrible as well.
Unless he has better performance then those two as well?
Besides the ones that are actually good don't need to talk others down.
He called nestea terrible when he WAS terrible, if you can remember the first season of GSL... I'm pretty sure the whole MKP is terrible is kind of a joke now, altho yes he really thought it and was wrong about it.
Sure idra fanboy.
So he got good overnight then, since he won season 2.
Already said it once, but I apparently need to say it again - Idra called Nestea terrible AFTER GSL2.
even better he called fruitdealer good in the same interview
You meant that?
"..he is not as good as you think, but he is not bad.." is not "terrible"
Also, everyone was kinda "terrible" in GSL2. That was the season of BitbyBit Prime, the worker rushing with 4 marines legend in code S. Nestea proved he was amazing over a longer period of time, but at that point it was tough to tell if anyone was good.
On July 03 2012 21:34 Chaos732 wrote: Often I have stalked these forums, lurking in the depths of 'unregistered guests'. But finally after watching the latest 'State of the Game' I felt that I needed to sign up and make a comment.
I feel that in general the idea of 'State of the Game' is brilliant. It gives a good view from a pro gamers viewpoint and is very informative. However, the behaviour of some of the highly recognisable members of the e-sport scene were, quite frankly, disgusting. No matter what they personally think of the guest they invited to the show and the validity of their comments, all guests that are invited and are only putting their views against anothers, should be shown common courtesy. The way that Avilo was treated was quite possibly the most unprofessional way I have ever seen anybody treated, not mention just damn right nasty in how people should treat another person and their views.
I think people like these are the main reason why e-sports will not be considered a masssively marketable venture, until the people that are directly involved and have a prominent position within it start acting more proffessionally. How many other sports do you watch where interviews and talk shows are littered with swearing and other choice subjects.
I hope I don't come accross as somebody who doesn't like or even see a great future for e-Sports, in fact it's something that I have been looking a great deal into investing in. However, I think for other big companies to even consider sponsoring or advertising within the e-sport scene, I think people need to start looking at their behavior when they are producing content for the masses.
On July 03 2012 22:27 ApBuLLet wrote: Basically what I'm saying is that I think it is beneficial to everybody to let people be their uncensored selves because I think that having fans and a community that are able have a connection to public figures on a personal level makes the community what it is and as passionate as it is, which is something that can't really be had in other industries, even professional sports.
I honestly can't make sense of this. First, I don't see how it's beneficial to the players that lousy childish behavior is encouraged which will prevent things from ever gong from niche to mainstream.
And you think the connection will be lost? Do you mean you are worried about if there were millions or even just hundreds of thousands watching instead of tens of thousands the players wouldn't give you the time of day? Or do you mean that if things go mainstream and IdrA has to behave like a semi-adult he simply won't be allowed to talk to anyone at all?
you don't need to be professional or even mature to go mainstream. just look at bill o'reilly, he has his own tv show and he's cut people's mics off and kicked people off his show multiple times. you either love him or you hate him but it doesn't make him any less popular. if anything it makes him more popular. what will make esports go mainstream is getting people talking. if we didnt have drama or threads like this our sport would just be any other boring pointless hobby to outsiders.
what is it that makes sports popular? the intrinsic act of swimming does not make swimming a popular sport, michael phelps winning 8 gold medals and creating a dramatic story makes it popular. same with tiger woods and golf, bobby fischer and chess. michael phelps also smoked weed, tiger woods had affairs, bobby fischer was an anti-semite america hater. but none of their sports saw any less popularity from their bad behavior. personal image might be affected, but you can't hate a sport just because you hate one of its players. you can't get mad at basketball just because you think kobe bryant is a horrible person. you don't see basketball forums with people yelling "kobe bryant is killing basketball!". it doesn't work like that, and when and how the SC2 community made that connection is beyond me.
idra for his part is one of the most popular SC2 players even though his level of skill is not near being the best. even when he's expected to lose people don't want to miss idra games. that's popularity, that's mainstream. players like idra are good for e-sports. shows like SotG are good for esports. you complain and you whine but you'll still watch the show, and that's how we know they're doing it right.
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). But if it is a change for the better then of course it is something that should be changed. I stated my personal opinion in my previous post, but I understand that not everybody may agree. I just wouldn't want to see people sacrifice what has drawn so many people to SC2 and eSports and kept so many people interested because we have become too fixated on making eSports "bigger".
