On July 02 2012 17:07 tdt wrote: Funny idra calling ppl terrible... guess its all relative eh?
That is pretty shallow logic seeing as how Idra was once a top pro, only recently slumping (while still now being a top foreigner). I'm not quite sure how you can group Idra and Avilo (who is barely relevent besides causing drama) together as "terrible". That's some logic ya got there.
I just thought it was fuuny a player with <40% tlpd recent w/r calling another terrible, especially a top GM.
Idra has won or placed far higher in multipule tournaments over the years in both SC2 and BW. Avilo has not, though could in the future. Being in a slump is part of being a professional. Every player has them and it does not diminish their previous accomplishments.
He has called nestea and mkp terrible as well.
Unless he has better performance then those two as well?
Besides the ones that are actually good don't need to talk others down.
He called nestea terrible when he WAS terrible, if you can remember the first season of GSL... I'm pretty sure the whole MKP is terrible is kind of a joke now, altho yes he really thought it and was wrong about it.
Sure idra fanboy.
So he got good overnight then, since he won season 2.
Already said it once, but I apparently need to say it again - Idra called Nestea terrible AFTER GSL2.
even better he called fruitdealer good in the same interview
You meant that?
"..he is not as good as you think, but he is not bad.." is not "terrible"
Nope, the interview was at the season 3 qualifiers, near a bunch of computers.
On July 04 2012 02:15 Yoduh wrote: michael phelps also smoked weed, tiger woods had affairs, bobby fischer was an anti-semite america hater. but none of their sports saw any less popularity from their bad behavior. personal image might be affected, but you can't hate a sport just because you hate one of its players.
Wow, people are going to think you are on my side and just setting up talking points for me. My Dad watches golf and I can tell you the Tiger Woods drama hurt the sport. Chess? Are you kidding me? Swimming? Americans care about it for a few weeks every four years and it's for anyone with a US flag that wins.
And it's not about "me" hating anyone. It's about not being a joke and alienating people who are by default skeptical about playing video games professionally. If you want to be "keeping it real" in the small little cool kid clubhouse, go join the proudly misogynist fighting game niche.
On July 04 2012 02:15 Yoduh wrote: michael phelps also smoked weed, tiger woods had affairs, bobby fischer was an anti-semite america hater. but none of their sports saw any less popularity from their bad behavior. personal image might be affected, but you can't hate a sport just because you hate one of its players.
My Dad watches golf and I can tell you the Tiger Woods drama hurt the sport.
Yes Tiger Woods drama hurt golf, it hurt because while the drama was going on he LEFT the sport, hurting it financially from loss of viewership.
Viewership for golf tournaments is likely to plunge as long as he stays off the tour. A study by rating firm Nielsen a year ago, when Woods was returning from a six-month injury rehabilitation, found that ratings for tournaments he missed in 2008 after playing them in 2007 were down an average of 47%.
Even the major tournaments are likely to take a hit in their television audience if he misses them. Nielsen found that viewership for the final day of the Masters fell 20% in the years that Woods did not win the most watched tournament.
Then when he returned from exile, the ratings exploded back up
The Nielsen Co. said 4.94 million people watched ESPN's opening round coverage on Thursday, 47 percent more than last year's first round. The reason was abundantly clear: curiosity-seekers who wanted to see how Woods looked, acted and played golf since his personal life publicly crumbled in a shocking sex scandal.
On July 04 2012 04:08 Yoduh wrote: So please go ask your dad how Tiger's drama tarnished the image of golf. I'd really like to hear his opinion.
You're so close and yet still missing the point. It's the difference between short term exploitation and long term building. "I'm so looking forward to MLG to see him rage and BM! What? He won't be there? Oh well, screw that."
edit: My Dad says hi and wants you to check out this link
He also thinks you should go do some research on tennis and what happened to it after McEnroe and Andree Agassi were done.
On July 04 2012 04:08 Yoduh wrote: So please go ask your dad how Tiger's drama tarnished the image of golf. I'd really like to hear his opinion.
You're so close and yet still missing the point. It's the difference between short term exploitation and long term building. "I'm so looking forward to MLG to see him rage and BM! What? He won't be there? Oh well, screw that."
edit: My Dad says hi and wants you to check out this link
He also thinks you should go do some research on tennis and what happened to it after McEnroe and Andree Agassi were done.
...What are you arguing? Because it sounds to me like you're just backing up what I've already said. Tiger returns and golf popularity goes up. McEnroe and Agassi leave and tennis popularity goes down. Yes I agree, more people watch sports for the players than the actual game. Hence why SC2 with interesting players whether they're famous for ridiculous play or ridiculous drama is always good for the popularity of the game. That's my point, so what's yours?
Yeah, McEnroe, known for being abrasive and yelling at referees, is a decent analogy for Idra in SC2. And somehow McEnroe remains a popular figure and commentator in tennis to this day. Why, I bet you could even find examples of tennis players who weren't terribly successful on the tournament scene and yet enjoyed popularity based mostly on their personalities, too!
On July 04 2012 03:09 dvorakftw wrote:And it's not about "me" hating anyone. It's about not being a joke and alienating people who are by default skeptical about playing video games professionally. If you want to be "keeping it real" in the small little cool kid clubhouse, go join the proudly misogynist fighting game niche.
You're right. It's not about you hating anyone and it's not specifically about Avilo's appearance on the show either. It has more to do with jealousy. This unnecessary drama bomb you and others keep trying to ignite is clearly a reaction to the SotG guys laughing off Avilo and his attempt to reference some random blog post hyperbolically and unhelpfully entitled "TvZ is a joke currently" as relevant to SC2 played at the highest level. Your desire to characterize SotG as a "small little cool kid clubhouse" makes this abundantly clear.
Internet forum pundit egos have been bruised by some professional gamers not taking them 100% seriously and respecting their overly wordy, muddily written blog posts. The SotG guys are clearly not against hearing outside opinions, though, and that's why they invited on Qxc to have a lively and worthwhile debate with Idra.
Your little jab at the FGC further illuminates your general ignorance. Painting the entire FGC with the same brush as Aris is silly and unnecessarily antagonistic.
On July 04 2012 05:55 Chin- wrote: Yeah, McEnroe, known for being abrasive and yelling at referees, is a decent analogy for Idra in SC2. And somehow McEnroe remains a popular figure and commentator in tennis to this day. Why, I bet you could even find examples of tennis players who weren't terribly successful on the tournament scene and yet enjoyed popularity based mostly on their personalities, too!
On July 04 2012 03:09 dvorakftw wrote:And it's not about "me" hating anyone. It's about not being a joke and alienating people who are by default skeptical about playing video games professionally. If you want to be "keeping it real" in the small little cool kid clubhouse, go join the proudly misogynist fighting game niche.
You're right. It's not about you hating anyone and it's not specifically about Avilo's appearance on the show either. It has more to do with jealousy. This unnecessary drama bomb you and others keep trying to ignite is clearly a reaction to the SotG guys laughing off Avilo and his attempt to reference some random blog post hyperbolically and unhelpfully entitled "TvZ is a joke currently" as relevant to SC2 played at the highest level. Your desire to characterize SotG as a "small little cool kid clubhouse" makes this abundantly clear.
Internet forum pundit egos have been bruised by some professional gamers not taking them 100% seriously and respecting their overly wordy, muddily written blog posts. The SotG guys are clearly not against hearing outside opinions, though, and that's why they invited on Qxc to have a lively and worthwhile debate with Idra.
Your little jab at the FGC further illuminates your general ignorance. Painting the entire FGC with the same brush as Aris is silly and unnecessarily antagonistic.
Wow, i never really thought about it, but McEnroe is a rather good comparison to Idra.
Thought about it some more, and I think I understand now. from your quote here
On July 04 2012 04:49 dvorakftw wrote: "I'm so looking forward to MLG to see him rage and BM! What? He won't be there? Oh well, screw that."
This is exactly the mentality a lot of people have not only with SC2 but in every sport. You point this out like it's a bad thing. It's only bad if we don't have interesting players. So to be in this thread telling all the players and casters to tone down their behavior is just going to create a bland scene of boring emotionless professionals. Basically mirroring what most korean players already are. Except for a few like MKP and MC there's not a lot of personality in most korean players.
There's a clear difference between BW and SC2 popularity, one is designated to almost solely korea, the other is worldwide. There's also a clear difference between the personalities of each pro scene. BW has/had Flash, Jaedong, Boxer, etc. all incredibly talented players but give any of them an interview and it's "I hope I can give good games for my fans! I will do my best!" seriously how many times have we heard this canned response? Let's go turn it over to Idra, oh look he's on stage giving the finger to Huk. What about Stephano, where is he? Oh he's getting pulled out of a night club by some police. And this is what people just eat up, we love it! It transcends international borders, the personalities and emotions and drama is what connects humans across the world. How is NOT good for our popularity? We're not degrading women à la fighting game scene, we're not hurting anyone or keeping anyone away from the game or our community.
Maybe what's confusing is that I'm not saying everything a player does or says is ok, you can disagree with the behavior of anyone you want, that's perfectly fine. What I'm trying to get across is that no matter what an individual player says or does in no way harms the image or "health" of the game. Just answer me this, when you watched the last SotG episode did you get maybe the tiniest thought or idea that what you were watching was hurting your personal view of Starcraft II the game? Did watching avilo and idra arguing give you even the slightest idea in the back of your mind that you now wanted to watch less Starcraft II? Because if not, that's good, because everyone else feels the same. Keep your opinion of idra or avilo or SotG separate from your opinion of SC2 and you can understand how one doesn't negatively affect the other.
On July 04 2012 03:09 dvorakftw wrote: And it's not about "me" hating anyone. It's about not being a joke and alienating people who are by default skeptical about playing video games professionally. If you want to be "keeping it real" in the small little cool kid clubhouse, go join the proudly misogynist fighting game niche.
the FGC does not appreciate white knights defending barbaric misandric concepts such as alimony so anyone spouting feminist bs gets flamed to death. we love women though, as pretty much everyone on SRK is married or in a relationship or has been in one. ZZZZZZZZZ cry moar.
On July 04 2012 05:55 Chin- wrote: Yeah, McEnroe, known for being abrasive and yelling at referees, is a decent analogy for Idra in SC2. And somehow McEnroe remains a popular figure and commentator in tennis to this day. Why, I bet you could even find examples of tennis players who weren't terribly successful on the tournament scene and yet enjoyed popularity based mostly on their personalities, too! .
No you can't.
McEnroe was popular because he was one of the most dominant players of his era. Of course he was a huge personality but he would have been a legend anyway.
On July 04 2012 05:48 Yoduh wrote: ...What are you arguing? Because it sounds to me like you're just backing up what I've already said. Tiger returns and golf popularity goes up. McEnroe and Agassi leave and tennis popularity goes down. Yes I agree, more people watch sports for the players than the actual game. Hence why SC2 with interesting players whether they're famous for ridiculous play or ridiculous drama is always good for the popularity of the game. That's my point, so what's yours?
If you want to be taken seriously then you act like an adult. If IdrA and iNcontroL just want a personal cash in then they should continue acting like jerks but take it to the next level and go around punching people and wearing wedding dresses and get busted for drug use and all the other stuff the tabloids love. Great for them. Bad for people who are better players and the game itself.
On July 04 2012 05:55 Chin- wrote: Yeah, McEnroe, known for being abrasive and yelling at referees, is a decent analogy for Idra in SC2. And somehow McEnroe remains a popular figure and commentator in tennis to this day. Why, I bet you could even find examples of tennis players who weren't terribly successful on the tournament scene and yet enjoyed popularity based mostly on their personalities, too! .
No you can't.
McEnroe was popular because he was one of the most dominant players of his era. Of course he was a huge personality but he would have been a legend anyway.
And Idra became popular because he was one of the best foreigners at BW and for a long period of time in sc2. His personality certainly helped as well, just like McEnroe. Like it or not, Idra is a legend in foreign starcraft.
On July 04 2012 06:27 Yoduh wrote: This is exactly the mentality a lot of people have not only with SC2 but in every sport. You point this out like it's a bad thing. It's only bad if we don't have interesting players. So to be in this thread telling all the players and casters to tone down their behavior is just going to create a bland scene of boring emotionless professionals.
Textbook false dilemma. Showing emotion and being interesting doesn't require someone to be a total jackass. You might get a nice audience that way just like every car wreck does but your popularity and long-term appeal is better without it. Plus it helps when people know you are just getting mad during the game and you aren't an ass to other people outside of the game. So much for the IdrA-McEnroe analogy.
What I'm trying to get across is that no matter what an individual player says or does in no way harms the image or "health" of the game. Just answer me this, when you watched the last SotG episode did you get maybe the tiniest thought or idea that what you were watching was hurting your personal view of Starcraft II the game? Did watching avilo and idra arguing give you even the slightest idea in the back of your mind that you now wanted to watch less Starcraft II? Because if not, that's good, because everyone else feels the same. Keep your opinion of idra or avilo or SotG separate from your opinion of SC2 and you can understand how one doesn't negatively affect the other.
The sorry state of TvZ and the mass denial about the problem is what is making me less interested in watching StarCraft. The SotG fiasco made me less interested in watching that show and anything with IdrA or iNcontroL.
On July 04 2012 06:27 Yoduh wrote: This is exactly the mentality a lot of people have not only with SC2 but in every sport. You point this out like it's a bad thing. It's only bad if we don't have interesting players. So to be in this thread telling all the players and casters to tone down their behavior is just going to create a bland scene of boring emotionless professionals.
Textbook false dilemma. Showing emotion and being interesting doesn't require someone to be a total jackass. You might get a nice audience that way just like every car wreck does but your popularity and long-term appeal is better without it. Plus it helps when people know you are just getting mad during the game and you aren't an ass to other people outside of the game. So much for the IdrA-McEnroe analogy.
What I'm trying to get across is that no matter what an individual player says or does in no way harms the image or "health" of the game. Just answer me this, when you watched the last SotG episode did you get maybe the tiniest thought or idea that what you were watching was hurting your personal view of Starcraft II the game? Did watching avilo and idra arguing give you even the slightest idea in the back of your mind that you now wanted to watch less Starcraft II? Because if not, that's good, because everyone else feels the same. Keep your opinion of idra or avilo or SotG separate from your opinion of SC2 and you can understand how one doesn't negatively affect the other.
The sorry state of TvZ and the mass denial about the problem is what is making me less interested in watching StarCraft. The SotG fiasco made me less interested in watching that show and anything with IdrA or iNcontroL.
Then stop watching both and please leave this thread. you are the only one dragging this issue on nearly a week later.
On July 04 2012 05:55 Chin- wrote: Your little jab at the FGC further illuminates your general ignorance. Painting the entire FGC with the same brush as Aris is silly and unnecessarily antagonistic.
Take everything you are thinking about me and FGC, multiply it by a few million, and that's SCII and the mainstream potential future audience.
On July 04 2012 03:09 dvorakftw wrote: And it's not about "me" hating anyone. It's about not being a joke and alienating people who are by default skeptical about playing video games professionally. If you want to be "keeping it real" in the small little cool kid clubhouse, go join the proudly misogynist fighting game niche.
the FGC does not appreciate white knights defending barbaric misandric concepts such as alimony so anyone spouting feminist bs gets flamed to death. we love women though, as pretty much everyone on SRK is married or in a relationship or has been in one. ZZZZZZZZZ cry moar.
I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but it's pretty clear why people dislike the fighting game community since you basically threw about 5 insults at anyone who even philosophically disagrees with you.
On July 04 2012 07:59 jmbthirteen wrote: Then stop watching both and please leave this thread. you are the only one dragging this issue on nearly a week later.
Say "Alright, we'll call it a draw" and I'll consider your request.
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