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Ozcollo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States154 Posts
July 03 2012 23:46 GMT
#49221
On July 04 2012 08:40 dvorakftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 07:59 jmbthirteen wrote:
Then stop watching both and please leave this thread. you are the only one dragging this issue on nearly a week later.

Say "Alright, we'll call it a draw" and I'll consider your request.

It wouldn't really be a draw. Go create some carebear SC2 content and come back and let us know how it went. You're contributing nothing but tears at the moment. It's obvious you don't like the SotG content and hosts, so why are you still here bitching and moaning.
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
July 03 2012 23:48 GMT
#49222
On July 04 2012 08:40 dvorakftw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 07:59 jmbthirteen wrote:
Then stop watching both and please leave this thread. you are the only one dragging this issue on nearly a week later.

Say "Alright, we'll call it a draw" and I'll consider your request.


You're wrong, got destroyed in the argument, and are now acting like a child. It's for the best you just stop posting and embarrassing yourself, honestly.
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
July 04 2012 00:02 GMT
#49223
On July 04 2012 05:48 Yoduh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 04:49 dvorakftw wrote:
On July 04 2012 04:08 Yoduh wrote:
So please go ask your dad how Tiger's drama tarnished the image of golf. I'd really like to hear his opinion.

You're so close and yet still missing the point. It's the difference between short term exploitation and long term building. "I'm so looking forward to MLG to see him rage and BM! What? He won't be there? Oh well, screw that."


edit: My Dad says hi and wants you to check out this link

He also thinks you should go do some research on tennis and what happened to it after McEnroe and Andree Agassi were done.


...What are you arguing? Because it sounds to me like you're just backing up what I've already said. Tiger returns and golf popularity goes up. McEnroe and Agassi leave and tennis popularity goes down. Yes I agree, more people watch sports for the players than the actual game. Hence why SC2 with interesting players whether they're famous for ridiculous play or ridiculous drama is always good for the popularity of the game. That's my point, so what's yours?


I get it the US has a culture of mouthy twats in sport so this is how it should be? The difference is these guys were all at the top of their games you muppet, its like a division 4 footballer in the UK mouthing off about premiership players


User was temp banned for this post.
Chill Winston......
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
July 04 2012 00:16 GMT
#49224
On July 04 2012 02:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 21:17 SnapCall wrote:
On July 03 2012 20:59 Talack wrote:
On July 03 2012 19:27 yeint wrote:
On July 03 2012 19:19 Technique wrote:
On July 03 2012 04:37 Roggay wrote:
On July 03 2012 04:12 Technique wrote:
On July 03 2012 01:45 Plansix wrote:
On July 03 2012 01:41 tdt wrote:
On July 02 2012 17:47 TechNoTrance wrote:
[quote]

That is pretty shallow logic seeing as how Idra was once a top pro, only recently slumping (while still now being a top foreigner). I'm not quite sure how you can group Idra and Avilo (who is barely relevent besides causing drama) together as "terrible". That's some logic ya got there.


I just thought it was fuuny a player with <40% tlpd recent w/r calling another terrible, especially a top GM.


Idra has won or placed far higher in multipule tournaments over the years in both SC2 and BW. Avilo has not, though could in the future. Being in a slump is part of being a professional. Every player has them and it does not diminish their previous accomplishments.

He has called nestea and mkp terrible as well.

Unless he has better performance then those two as well?

Besides the ones that are actually good don't need to talk others down.

He called nestea terrible when he WAS terrible, if you can remember the first season of GSL...
I'm pretty sure the whole MKP is terrible is kind of a joke now, altho yes he really thought it and was wrong about it.

Sure idra fanboy.

So he got good overnight then, since he won season 2.


Already said it once, but I apparently need to say it again - Idra called Nestea terrible AFTER GSL2.


even better he called fruitdealer good in the same interview





You meant that?

"..he is not as good as you think, but he is not bad.." is not "terrible"


Also, everyone was kinda "terrible" in GSL2. That was the season of BitbyBit Prime, the worker rushing with 4 marines legend in code S. Nestea proved he was amazing over a longer period of time, but at that point it was tough to tell if anyone was good.


Also, he was talking to Artosis. So saying 'NesTea isn't as good as you think' doesn't mean 'NesTea is bad'; it means 'NesTea can't cure cancer, win GSL playing with the muscles in his nose and write a best-selling novel about how fucking awesome it is to be NesTea all at the same time'.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
July 04 2012 00:28 GMT
#49225
On July 04 2012 09:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 02:29 Plansix wrote:
On July 03 2012 21:17 SnapCall wrote:
On July 03 2012 20:59 Talack wrote:
On July 03 2012 19:27 yeint wrote:
On July 03 2012 19:19 Technique wrote:
On July 03 2012 04:37 Roggay wrote:
On July 03 2012 04:12 Technique wrote:
On July 03 2012 01:45 Plansix wrote:
On July 03 2012 01:41 tdt wrote:
[quote]

I just thought it was fuuny a player with <40% tlpd recent w/r calling another terrible, especially a top GM.


Idra has won or placed far higher in multipule tournaments over the years in both SC2 and BW. Avilo has not, though could in the future. Being in a slump is part of being a professional. Every player has them and it does not diminish their previous accomplishments.

He has called nestea and mkp terrible as well.

Unless he has better performance then those two as well?

Besides the ones that are actually good don't need to talk others down.

He called nestea terrible when he WAS terrible, if you can remember the first season of GSL...
I'm pretty sure the whole MKP is terrible is kind of a joke now, altho yes he really thought it and was wrong about it.

Sure idra fanboy.

So he got good overnight then, since he won season 2.


Already said it once, but I apparently need to say it again - Idra called Nestea terrible AFTER GSL2.


even better he called fruitdealer good in the same interview



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQAe99qwChw&feature=player_detailpage#t=657s

You meant that?

"..he is not as good as you think, but he is not bad.." is not "terrible"


Also, everyone was kinda "terrible" in GSL2. That was the season of BitbyBit Prime, the worker rushing with 4 marines legend in code S. Nestea proved he was amazing over a longer period of time, but at that point it was tough to tell if anyone was good.


Also, he was talking to Artosis. So saying 'NesTea isn't as good as you think' doesn't mean 'NesTea is bad'; it means 'NesTea can't cure cancer, win GSL playing with the muscles in his nose and write a best-selling novel about how fucking awesome it is to be NesTea all at the same time'.


But if he does write that book Artosis will finally have his holy volume to start the cult of NesTea.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
July 04 2012 00:30 GMT
#49226
On July 04 2012 09:28 Kharnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 09:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On July 04 2012 02:29 Plansix wrote:
On July 03 2012 21:17 SnapCall wrote:
On July 03 2012 20:59 Talack wrote:
On July 03 2012 19:27 yeint wrote:
On July 03 2012 19:19 Technique wrote:
On July 03 2012 04:37 Roggay wrote:
On July 03 2012 04:12 Technique wrote:
On July 03 2012 01:45 Plansix wrote:
[quote]

Idra has won or placed far higher in multipule tournaments over the years in both SC2 and BW. Avilo has not, though could in the future. Being in a slump is part of being a professional. Every player has them and it does not diminish their previous accomplishments.

He has called nestea and mkp terrible as well.

Unless he has better performance then those two as well?

Besides the ones that are actually good don't need to talk others down.

He called nestea terrible when he WAS terrible, if you can remember the first season of GSL...
I'm pretty sure the whole MKP is terrible is kind of a joke now, altho yes he really thought it and was wrong about it.

Sure idra fanboy.

So he got good overnight then, since he won season 2.


Already said it once, but I apparently need to say it again - Idra called Nestea terrible AFTER GSL2.


even better he called fruitdealer good in the same interview



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQAe99qwChw&feature=player_detailpage#t=657s

You meant that?

"..he is not as good as you think, but he is not bad.." is not "terrible"


Also, everyone was kinda "terrible" in GSL2. That was the season of BitbyBit Prime, the worker rushing with 4 marines legend in code S. Nestea proved he was amazing over a longer period of time, but at that point it was tough to tell if anyone was good.


Also, he was talking to Artosis. So saying 'NesTea isn't as good as you think' doesn't mean 'NesTea is bad'; it means 'NesTea can't cure cancer, win GSL playing with the muscles in his nose and write a best-selling novel about how fucking awesome it is to be NesTea all at the same time'.


But if he does write that book Artosis will finally have his holy volume to start the cult of NesTea.


I'm willing to join.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Beardedclam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 00:36:32
July 04 2012 00:36 GMT
#49227
Idra said DRG sucked also. That was before his first GSL match. People were talking about him because he was the first to reach 2k? on KR ladder or something. Huk said he deserved it and was really good but Idra said he was just really cheesy and did retarded things.
"bye bye" - genius "#$@% you" - Idra------------|Genius|DRG|Keen|---------Breakfast.213
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
July 04 2012 00:41 GMT
#49228
On July 04 2012 09:36 Beardedclam wrote:
Idra said DRG sucked also. That was before his first GSL match. People were talking about him because he was the first to reach 2k? on KR ladder or something. Huk said he deserved it and was really good but Idra said he was just really cheesy and did retarded things.


Which could easily have been true. Lots of players have started as massive cheesers before evolving into well-rounded macro monsters. Huk, Naniwa and Rain all come to mind here. MKP to an extent as well.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
July 04 2012 07:01 GMT
#49229
On July 04 2012 09:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 09:36 Beardedclam wrote:
Idra said DRG sucked also. That was before his first GSL match. People were talking about him because he was the first to reach 2k? on KR ladder or something. Huk said he deserved it and was really good but Idra said he was just really cheesy and did retarded things.


Which could easily have been true. Lots of players have started as massive cheesers before evolving into well-rounded macro monsters. Huk, Naniwa and Rain all come to mind here. MKP to an extent as well.


Being "well-rounded" means you are not merely a macro monster.

Honestly, Idra's assessment of players has always been clouded by his nonsensically myopic view of what "good play" is.

We've all seen Idra's attempts to six pool. He seems to not spend enough time thinking about all-ins and the strengths of "gimmicky" play, so his accusations of "retarded things" are more likely just things he doesn't understand.

Starcraft is a game of incomplete information, and demanding that "proper play" should never hinge on surprise or unconventional tactics is like playing poker and insisting the bluffing is unsportsmanlike.

There are only so many times you can be wrong about something until your opinion should just be summarily dismissed. The fact is that 3 of the players in the Korean TLPD top 10 have been called bad by Idra, two of whom have been alternating MLG wins for the past six months.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
iGoTThiZ
Profile Joined August 2011
103 Posts
July 04 2012 07:09 GMT
#49230
On July 04 2012 08:46 Ozcollo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 08:40 dvorakftw wrote:
On July 04 2012 07:59 jmbthirteen wrote:
Then stop watching both and please leave this thread. you are the only one dragging this issue on nearly a week later.

Say "Alright, we'll call it a draw" and I'll consider your request.

It wouldn't really be a draw. Go create some carebear SC2 content and come back and let us know how it went. You're contributing nothing but tears at the moment. It's obvious you don't like the SotG content and hosts, so why are you still here bitching and moaning.



Because he is attention seeking drama queen. Just ignore all his whining and he'll go away.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 07:25:12
July 04 2012 07:23 GMT
#49231
On July 04 2012 07:13 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 03:09 dvorakftw wrote:
And it's not about "me" hating anyone. It's about not being a joke and alienating people who are by default skeptical about playing video games professionally. If you want to be "keeping it real" in the small little cool kid clubhouse, go join the proudly misogynist fighting game niche.


the FGC does not appreciate white knights defending barbaric misandric concepts such as alimony so anyone spouting feminist bs gets flamed to death. we love women though, as pretty much everyone on SRK is married or in a relationship or has been in one. ZZZZZZZZZ cry moar.


luckily this is the sc2 community and not FGC. People insulting and constantly badmouthing with racist comments just have no manner. And "being married and love women" has nothing to do with feministic concepts or alimony, that would be ridiculous. Although you didn't phrase your wordings correctly, you give off alot of vibe of those racists that starts off with "I don't hate x, I have many x friends, but..." or "women shouldn't have right to vote, but I don't hate them I love them I'm married to one" etc.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
July 04 2012 07:51 GMT
#49232
On July 04 2012 09:36 Beardedclam wrote:
Idra said DRG sucked also. That was before his first GSL match. People were talking about him because he was the first to reach 2k? on KR ladder or something. Huk said he deserved it and was really good but Idra said he was just really cheesy and did retarded things.

wait, what? Idra said that DRG is a monster and a pretty good player that he knew from the Korean ladder, before DRG even came out big in the scene. I think he said that in a state of the game. And for a long time now he always said that DRG is hands down the best Z player because of his mechanics etc.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
July 04 2012 08:41 GMT
#49233
Listening to Ep 72 at 1:28, I suddenly got an image of Sid from Ice Age, and I can't make it go away.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
July 04 2012 12:12 GMT
#49234
Wow, the way they treated Avilo was really shameful. Way to treat a guest guys, really...
Eyx
Profile Joined December 2010
England165 Posts
July 04 2012 13:48 GMT
#49235
I normally love the show, but i did think that avilo was treated with prejudice and effectivly bought on solely to try and discredit and laugh at him. Its not a nice way to treat people no matter who they are or how wrong or anoying you think they are. Reflects very badly on the personalities on the show. Like i said i normally love the show and have listened to every episode and this is the first one ive had a problem with, but it made it seem like you were a bunch of school children bullying avilo.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 04 2012 13:54 GMT
#49236
On July 04 2012 09:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 09:36 Beardedclam wrote:
Idra said DRG sucked also. That was before his first GSL match. People were talking about him because he was the first to reach 2k? on KR ladder or something. Huk said he deserved it and was really good but Idra said he was just really cheesy and did retarded things.


Which could easily have been true. Lots of players have started as massive cheesers before evolving into well-rounded macro monsters. Huk, Naniwa and Rain all come to mind here. MKP to an extent as well.

Cheesing and doing all-ins are not the same as being bad. They are perfectly valid and necessary components of a successful player, just like macro styles are.
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 03:33:12
July 04 2012 14:10 GMT
#49237
Lol wrong thread
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
July 04 2012 14:15 GMT
#49238
On July 04 2012 22:54 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 09:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On July 04 2012 09:36 Beardedclam wrote:
Idra said DRG sucked also. That was before his first GSL match. People were talking about him because he was the first to reach 2k? on KR ladder or something. Huk said he deserved it and was really good but Idra said he was just really cheesy and did retarded things.


Which could easily have been true. Lots of players have started as massive cheesers before evolving into well-rounded macro monsters. Huk, Naniwa and Rain all come to mind here. MKP to an extent as well.

Cheesing and doing all-ins are not the same as being bad. They are perfectly valid and necessary components of a successful player, just like macro styles are.


The quote says: "Idra said he was just really cheesy." Cheesing and doing all-ins all the same time are the same as being really cheesy.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 04 2012 14:23 GMT
#49239
On July 04 2012 23:15 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 22:54 Shiori wrote:
On July 04 2012 09:41 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On July 04 2012 09:36 Beardedclam wrote:
Idra said DRG sucked also. That was before his first GSL match. People were talking about him because he was the first to reach 2k? on KR ladder or something. Huk said he deserved it and was really good but Idra said he was just really cheesy and did retarded things.


Which could easily have been true. Lots of players have started as massive cheesers before evolving into well-rounded macro monsters. Huk, Naniwa and Rain all come to mind here. MKP to an extent as well.

Cheesing and doing all-ins are not the same as being bad. They are perfectly valid and necessary components of a successful player, just like macro styles are.


The quote says: "Idra said he was just really cheesy." Cheesing and doing all-ins all the same time are the same as being really cheesy.

Yes, but Idra dismisses people who are cheesy out of hand. He clearly thinks they have no skill. Are you seriously going to contest this? Idra is renowned for his dislike of those who cheese or all-in frequently.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
July 04 2012 14:26 GMT
#49240
Not what I'm contesting. At the time he supposedly said DRG was cheesy, it's very possible that DRG was cheesy. That's a route a lot of good players, both Korean and foreign, have taken.
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