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On July 05 2012 07:25 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:54 Nutwagon wrote:
What is this even in reply to? How does this random show have anything to do with SOTG?
All it looks like you are doing is bashing Idra for no reason, you aren't even defending Avilo anymore which is how you started out. You must be soooo mad at Idra because he had more viewers than the GESL right? Big fuckin deal Ever watch the TV show House? You know how they always start with someone being really sick and then before every commercial break something new and even worse happens? It starts with noticing him being a total dick to avilo. Then it's thinking about the disrespect to Luckyfool and Fitzy. Then it's the posts in this thread. Then it's hearing details about GESL. And if I'm piling on, the casting on TSL4 is pretty awful. Missing lots of action, totally wrong predictions. I wouldn't have turned it on except I like Beasty and it's a Liquid event.
You're a sad, strange little man.
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On July 05 2012 06:30 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 05 2012 05:57 dvorakftw wrote:Well everyone can go watch this and all the EGfanboys can explain. More details starting earlier here regarding the event on a whole. It also gets into the interesting contacting sponsors discussion. It sounded like Destiny really got the boot to get money pushed at Azeal. Well that's dumb, most likely it was just EG management not even telling idra that he was invited because he was already scheduled for GESL and idra making an easy, if pessimistic and generally mean, assumption... It would also make sense to tell Demuslim "GESL wanted YOU!" instead of "LOL We're sending you as our not korean 3rd string guy who's only going there because Dreamhack is fucking up more popular/better players' schedules". Idra has the right to stream whenever the hell he wants... I mean, it may not be particularly good form, but when has idra ever given a shit about good form? GESL shouldn't have been defensive and should have just gotten out their story to the community without purposefully trying to blame/vilify highly popular community figures and alienating several thousand SC2 fans... I mean, when has our community NOT rallied around good tournaments getting smashed by childish botnetters? If you read Evoli's post in that reddit thread, he explains the whole Idra thing. Basically Idra was supposed to go to DH, which is why EG didn't send him to GESL. Then after some poor results, Idra decided to pull out of DH. A bit down the road he asked if he could get into GESL, so Evoli contacted GESL, but the last spot was given to Inori.
So... everything in my post is still valid? I mean, I guess that makes idra seem a bit more angry at life and the little man... but I feel like he's just integrated it so far into his persona that we should expect it. The only ones who can punish him are his superiors... and they seem to be pretty okay with leaving him with warnings.
I really do feel bad for GESL though... Tails vs Golden was pretty damn awesome too. Though I do admit I tuned out when I realized the Semi's, Thirdplace, and Finals were going to be ZvZ Nameless faceless Korean vs Nameless faceless Korean.
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On July 05 2012 07:49 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 05 2012 06:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 05 2012 05:57 dvorakftw wrote:Well everyone can go watch this and all the EGfanboys can explain. More details starting earlier here regarding the event on a whole. It also gets into the interesting contacting sponsors discussion. It sounded like Destiny really got the boot to get money pushed at Azeal. Well that's dumb, most likely it was just EG management not even telling idra that he was invited because he was already scheduled for GESL and idra making an easy, if pessimistic and generally mean, assumption... It would also make sense to tell Demuslim "GESL wanted YOU!" instead of "LOL We're sending you as our not korean 3rd string guy who's only going there because Dreamhack is fucking up more popular/better players' schedules". Idra has the right to stream whenever the hell he wants... I mean, it may not be particularly good form, but when has idra ever given a shit about good form? GESL shouldn't have been defensive and should have just gotten out their story to the community without purposefully trying to blame/vilify highly popular community figures and alienating several thousand SC2 fans... I mean, when has our community NOT rallied around good tournaments getting smashed by childish botnetters? If you read Evoli's post in that reddit thread, he explains the whole Idra thing. Basically Idra was supposed to go to DH, which is why EG didn't send him to GESL. Then after some poor results, Idra decided to pull out of DH. A bit down the road he asked if he could get into GESL, so Evoli contacted GESL, but the last spot was given to Inori. So... everything in my post is still valid? I mean, I guess that makes idra seem a bit more angry at life and the little man... but I feel like he's just integrated it so far into his persona that we should expect it. The only ones who can punish him are his superiors... and they seem to be pretty okay with leaving him with warnings. I really do feel bad for GESL though... Tails vs Golden was pretty damn awesome too. Though I do admit I tuned out when I realized the Semi's, Thirdplace, and Finals were going to be ZvZ Nameless faceless Korean vs Nameless faceless Korean.
Are players from teams who share the same sponsors as tournaments not allowed to stream at the same time now? If not, than i see nothing wrong with what idra did.
And what's wrong with bragging about his stream numbers? I'm sure he actually reminded more people about GeTL as many didn't even know what it is and when it was
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On July 05 2012 07:55 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:49 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 05 2012 06:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 05 2012 06:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 05 2012 05:57 dvorakftw wrote:Well everyone can go watch this and all the EGfanboys can explain. More details starting earlier here regarding the event on a whole. It also gets into the interesting contacting sponsors discussion. It sounded like Destiny really got the boot to get money pushed at Azeal. Well that's dumb, most likely it was just EG management not even telling idra that he was invited because he was already scheduled for GESL and idra making an easy, if pessimistic and generally mean, assumption... It would also make sense to tell Demuslim "GESL wanted YOU!" instead of "LOL We're sending you as our not korean 3rd string guy who's only going there because Dreamhack is fucking up more popular/better players' schedules". Idra has the right to stream whenever the hell he wants... I mean, it may not be particularly good form, but when has idra ever given a shit about good form? GESL shouldn't have been defensive and should have just gotten out their story to the community without purposefully trying to blame/vilify highly popular community figures and alienating several thousand SC2 fans... I mean, when has our community NOT rallied around good tournaments getting smashed by childish botnetters? If you read Evoli's post in that reddit thread, he explains the whole Idra thing. Basically Idra was supposed to go to DH, which is why EG didn't send him to GESL. Then after some poor results, Idra decided to pull out of DH. A bit down the road he asked if he could get into GESL, so Evoli contacted GESL, but the last spot was given to Inori. So... everything in my post is still valid? I mean, I guess that makes idra seem a bit more angry at life and the little man... but I feel like he's just integrated it so far into his persona that we should expect it. The only ones who can punish him are his superiors... and they seem to be pretty okay with leaving him with warnings. I really do feel bad for GESL though... Tails vs Golden was pretty damn awesome too. Though I do admit I tuned out when I realized the Semi's, Thirdplace, and Finals were going to be ZvZ Nameless faceless Korean vs Nameless faceless Korean. Are players from teams who share the same sponsors as tournaments not allowed to stream at the same time now? If not, than i see nothing wrong with what idra did. And what's wrong with bragging about his stream numbers? I'm sure he actually reminded more people about GeTL as many didn't even know what it is and when it was
He said he did it on purpose to steal viewers and make the event do worse.
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On July 05 2012 07:49 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 05 2012 06:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 05 2012 05:57 dvorakftw wrote:Well everyone can go watch this and all the EGfanboys can explain. More details starting earlier here regarding the event on a whole. It also gets into the interesting contacting sponsors discussion. It sounded like Destiny really got the boot to get money pushed at Azeal. Well that's dumb, most likely it was just EG management not even telling idra that he was invited because he was already scheduled for GESL and idra making an easy, if pessimistic and generally mean, assumption... It would also make sense to tell Demuslim "GESL wanted YOU!" instead of "LOL We're sending you as our not korean 3rd string guy who's only going there because Dreamhack is fucking up more popular/better players' schedules". Idra has the right to stream whenever the hell he wants... I mean, it may not be particularly good form, but when has idra ever given a shit about good form? GESL shouldn't have been defensive and should have just gotten out their story to the community without purposefully trying to blame/vilify highly popular community figures and alienating several thousand SC2 fans... I mean, when has our community NOT rallied around good tournaments getting smashed by childish botnetters? If you read Evoli's post in that reddit thread, he explains the whole Idra thing. Basically Idra was supposed to go to DH, which is why EG didn't send him to GESL. Then after some poor results, Idra decided to pull out of DH. A bit down the road he asked if he could get into GESL, so Evoli contacted GESL, but the last spot was given to Inori. So... everything in my post is still valid? I mean, I guess that makes idra seem a bit more angry at life and the little man... but I feel like he's just integrated it so far into his persona that we should expect it. The only ones who can punish him are his superiors... and they seem to be pretty okay with leaving him with warnings. I really do feel bad for GESL though... Tails vs Golden was pretty damn awesome too. Though I do admit I tuned out when I realized the Semi's, Thirdplace, and Finals were going to be ZvZ Nameless faceless Korean vs Nameless faceless Korean.
the thing is, he didnt do anything wrong. Kingston sponsors NASL too, and EG players stream then. Yeah, he made some dickish remarks (his tweet and what he said on SotG, but i think that was more of a jab at Inori), but all he did was stream. He was streaming a lot that entire week.
I get GESL being peeved at his comments, but the streaming part, come on now. I don't think he really stole viewers away from the GESL. Most of his viewers weren't going to watch the GESL. And its the job of GESL to get those viewers.
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On July 05 2012 07:58 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:55 Hardigan wrote:On July 05 2012 07:49 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 05 2012 06:30 jmbthirteen wrote:On July 05 2012 06:16 ShatterZer0 wrote:On July 05 2012 05:57 dvorakftw wrote:Well everyone can go watch this and all the EGfanboys can explain. More details starting earlier here regarding the event on a whole. It also gets into the interesting contacting sponsors discussion. It sounded like Destiny really got the boot to get money pushed at Azeal. Well that's dumb, most likely it was just EG management not even telling idra that he was invited because he was already scheduled for GESL and idra making an easy, if pessimistic and generally mean, assumption... It would also make sense to tell Demuslim "GESL wanted YOU!" instead of "LOL We're sending you as our not korean 3rd string guy who's only going there because Dreamhack is fucking up more popular/better players' schedules". Idra has the right to stream whenever the hell he wants... I mean, it may not be particularly good form, but when has idra ever given a shit about good form? GESL shouldn't have been defensive and should have just gotten out their story to the community without purposefully trying to blame/vilify highly popular community figures and alienating several thousand SC2 fans... I mean, when has our community NOT rallied around good tournaments getting smashed by childish botnetters? If you read Evoli's post in that reddit thread, he explains the whole Idra thing. Basically Idra was supposed to go to DH, which is why EG didn't send him to GESL. Then after some poor results, Idra decided to pull out of DH. A bit down the road he asked if he could get into GESL, so Evoli contacted GESL, but the last spot was given to Inori. So... everything in my post is still valid? I mean, I guess that makes idra seem a bit more angry at life and the little man... but I feel like he's just integrated it so far into his persona that we should expect it. The only ones who can punish him are his superiors... and they seem to be pretty okay with leaving him with warnings. I really do feel bad for GESL though... Tails vs Golden was pretty damn awesome too. Though I do admit I tuned out when I realized the Semi's, Thirdplace, and Finals were going to be ZvZ Nameless faceless Korean vs Nameless faceless Korean. Are players from teams who share the same sponsors as tournaments not allowed to stream at the same time now? If not, than i see nothing wrong with what idra did. And what's wrong with bragging about his stream numbers? I'm sure he actually reminded more people about GeTL as many didn't even know what it is and when it was He said he did it on purpose to steal viewers and make the event do worse.
when did he say this?
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On July 05 2012 07:55 Hardigan wrote:
If not, than i see nothing wrong with what idra did.
I get the feeling for a lot of people absolutely nothing IdrA ever does is wrong, not even close to wrong, and if anything, is great, should be encouraged, and he should take it even further.
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On July 05 2012 08:23 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:55 Hardigan wrote:
If not, than i see nothing wrong with what idra did. I get the feeling for a lot of people absolutely nothing IdrA ever does is wrong, not even close to wrong, and if anything, is great, should be encouraged, and he should take it even further.
Well, it might not be wrong in terms of having poor repercussions... but I think the average person can generally agree that most of what idra did in this situation was childish and mean even if it was likely mostly sarcastic ignorance...
It's not that people are openly applauding him, doing so would be pretty dumb, it's just that most people are exasperated with the fact that other keep bringing it up even though it's of no useful avail to anyone. Maybe we should just dub him "iDrA, the Teflon Zerg" and make a meme out of the familiarly ugly situation.
Oh, and we're the SC2 community, we love drama and scandals and Rakaka.se >.<
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Watched the whole youtube climbing the ladder thing and i thought id give me opinion, since this is the internet and a forum... so i feel like everyone should be encouraged to give their opinion...anyways...
First it sounds like the people in charge of GESL seem sort of, just mad at the world, and sort of looking to blame anything they can.. to explain why there event was not more successful. I didn't watch the event, but it sounds like even they admit they had some major issues. But i think, before you blame outside influences, you should judge your own work, and if its not perfect, you should fix your shit before you you start pointing fingers, because once you have all of your own shit on lock, you will have 0 people looking at you/your work as your explinations for failure.
Right now it seems more like conspiracy than anything. Blaming other people for your advertisement failures. Blaming conspiracy theories for your failures in the event... IDK i wish there was a bit more evidence/supported facts rather than "A professional organization put together thousands of dollars to keep our website down during our peak advertisement times" IDK i think its really easy to say "our event failed because of conspiracy" rather than saying "our event failed because we did x, y, and z wrong."
But idk, sounds like they didnt have any anchor caster... the closest thing they had was Doa... and Azael..who they overpaid because they were forced to. I understand why Kingston would force that on them tho.. it turns into kingston supporting an event, and then also giving themselves more coverage since they also now sponsor the main caster.. = 2 for price of one..... do i agree with it? No. I think Azael is the weak link of the EG casts as it it..and i would not consider him an anchor at all.
also they tried to compete with Dreamhack which was suicide... this was a minor league team trying to draw more viewers than a MLB team... just doesnt happen... they should have planned around the major events. When you are new/the young kid on the block, you have to vater to the bigger ones cause they arent going to cater to you.
Do i think that GESL partially got shut down because of the big wigs of esports? its very possible... as a business you want less competitors, and if you can cheaply get rid of your competition...you will. That is business.
People think that esports is glamorous or is this huge passionfilled love-fest, where we are all here to benefit eachother. And all here because we love video games... wrong. People are here to make money. Sponsors are looking to make money... they are investing not donatin. Major tournament organizations are there to make money... MLG, Dreamhack, GSL.... they all NEED to make money and are goign to do whatver they can to make more...
idk i think people sort of need to get there head out of the clouds regarding esports and the scene...
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i stream for long periods of time in that timeblock regularly, they have no right to expect people not to compete with them.
i was at 6k viewers when they were at 1 with no unusual advertisement. then i saw how shitty they were doing and tweeted about it cuz it was funny. the tweet alone probably brought them more attention than any of their attempts at advertising did
host a good event if you want it to be succesful. dont make vague claims at the powers that be cuz you sucked.
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Not sure how this conversation went full circle back to the GESL, but it's rather pathetic to put blame on idra in regards to the poor viewer numbers. Yes, it may have been juvenile to do that out of spite (if that is even the case)... But if a single American pro has the alleged power to "steal" and retain viewership from your entire event, then that says more about your event and maybe you should be looking in the mirror instead of pointing fingers elsewhere.
Jus' Sayin'
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On July 05 2012 08:49 Dosey wrote:
Not sure how this conversation went full circle back to the GESL, but it's rather pathetic to put blame on idra in regards to the poor viewer numbers. Yes, it may have been juvenile to do that out of spite (if that is even the case)... But if a single American pro has the alleged power to "steal" and retain viewership from your entire event, then that says more about your event and maybe you should be looking in the mirror instead of pointing fingers elsewhere.
Jus' Sayin'
Bingo. Think we can move on now.
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Seems like some GESL want to create drama were there is not any. The GESL was hit dreamhack for gods sake, they could never compete with their numbers.
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are those GESL guys actually serious? Sort your own shit out instead of blaming your poor viewership on a sarcastic tweet from a player.
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What are people jibbering about now?
It's not IdrA's responsibility to promote or accommodate someone else's tournament. GESL had way more problems than IdrA's stream.
I didn't even know the GESL existed until the post-mortem on SOTG.
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These posts are stupid. Find a GESL thread or make a new one. This stuff has nothing to do with SOTG. The problems the GESL had go way beyond IdrA and likely should be discussed (especially considering all the weird contradicting information on Reddit from GWIN, EG, etc.). However, this is not the place to discuss any of these things. This is the place to discuss SOTG, not IdrA or GESL.
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On July 05 2012 07:25 dvorakftw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:54 Nutwagon wrote:
What is this even in reply to? How does this random show have anything to do with SOTG?
All it looks like you are doing is bashing Idra for no reason, you aren't even defending Avilo anymore which is how you started out. You must be soooo mad at Idra because he had more viewers than the GESL right? Big fuckin deal Ever watch the TV show House? You know how they always start with someone being really sick and then before every commercial break something new and even worse happens? It starts with noticing him being a total dick to avilo. Then it's thinking about the disrespect to Luckyfool and Fitzy. Then it's the posts in this thread. Then it's hearing details about GESL. And if I'm piling on, the casting on TSL4 is pretty awful. Missing lots of action, totally wrong predictions. I wouldn't have turned it on except I like Beasty and it's a Liquid event.
I dont even like Idra, but you are pushing it. WTH is this?
We all get that you dont like him at all, but you dont need to turn a SOTG thread into your vendetta against Idra.
Really? Really?
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Just watched the latest episode and I didnt actually see anythig controversial about it. Just a normal SOTG. I don't know maybe JP or someone edited the youtube version but to me ast least it looked like a normal SOTG. And it was a pretty good one. So hopefully you guys will do some more. And that Qxc vs Idra felt a bit artificial debate and rather than a debate that felt a little bit more like a discussion and that was pretty nice so I hope more of those could take place in the future. It was a pretty good SOTG overall.
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On July 05 2012 09:20 Swords wrote:
These posts are stupid. Find a GESL thread or make a new one. This stuff has nothing to do with SOTG. The problems the GESL had go way beyond IdrA and likely should be discussed (especially considering all the weird contradicting information on Reddit from GWIN, EG, etc.). However, this is not the place to discuss any of these things. This is the place to discuss SOTG, not IdrA or GESL.
The topic was brought up on SotG and as there are still questions about exactly what happened and why, and since IdrA is part of both, I think the topic is right at home in this thread.
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