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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
On August :10 CatZ.root wrote: i do both play and manage, both quite a bit :D. blizzard WILL take action soon, worry not Catz was playing on BiggerTs stream for the IEM last night, he played very unorthdox (think fast infestor harras) and it was great to watch. Unfortunetly he lost to bad scouting, it would be great to see him play some more. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 16 2010 19:24 Geo.Rion wrote: :D Well said, Dimaga is probably higher on Europe's best Zergs list then Sjow is on Sweeeden's best terrans. NO offense to Sjow, it's just a compliment for Sweedish Terrans  SjoW is probably the 2nd best T in sweden (behind MorroW). Tho I don't really know what his TvZ is like, and I think he told me its his worst if my memory is correct. | ||
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ReasoN-
Germany145 Posts
On August 17 2010 01:26 Liquid`Jinro wrote: SjoW is probably the 2nd best T in sweden (behind MorroW). Tho I don't really know what his TvZ is like, and I think he told me its his worst if my memory is correct. Thats a lie. your are the best terran in sweden  | ||
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Zurope
United States29 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:06 Zurope wrote: I respect Dimaga, as his an elite player compared to me. But seriously, to go out and cry about how "overpowered" Terran is, and how Zerg is "underpowered". Last time I checked ultras/broods were not "underpowered". Last time I checked, TvZ wasn't imbalanced in the lategame, it was the early game that was the problem. | ||
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The_Pacifist
United States540 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:06 Zurope wrote: I respect Dimaga, as his an elite player compared to me. But seriously, to go out and cry about how "overpowered" Terran is, and how Zerg is "underpowered". Last time I checked ultras/broods were not "underpowered". Try again. No one's arguing that ultras or broodlords are underpowered. Read the OP. You don't start the game with Ultras/Broodlords. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
so its both early and late game and this doesnt make any reason imo. If all things equall a race that starts as weak as zerg should be much tougher to beat at late game but is the opposite and this isnt theorycrafting or any other bs but officially claims. so if zerg is weak at start and weak at the end whats the point rly. | ||
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putrio
United States35 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:07 Jyvblamo wrote: Last time I checked, TvZ wasn't imbalanced in the lategame, it was the early game that was the problem. It is imbalanced in the lategame... for Zerg. That fact is just ignored by the hordes of Z whiners. | ||
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jlr5175
United States4 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:13 jlr5175 wrote: One thing I haven't seen addressed yet is PvT. I have to wait 3 days before I can make a thread and ZvT is clearly a much bigger issue then PvT but Protoss has a damn hard time trying to keep up with Terran too. Chrono boosting helps us get units out faster yes but where is our help economic wise? Zergs are notorious for getting resources quick and Terrans have MULEs,which after watching Greenforest last night and seeing 3 of qxc's MULEs outperform 34 of iNKA's probes, that pretty much propeled them to Zerg's level of economy if not just under it in my opinion which makes the Protoss situation even harder based on the fact that our basic units cost so much along with the build times for buildings,research times,and the costs of affording all that while managing a steady army or having an army to counter a Terran plus spreading our chrono boost out to speed our research and unit production up is damn near impossible because of how cheap their low tier army is and how cheap their low tier upgrades(most of their upgrades in general) are such as Combat shield,Concussive shells,Stimpack,etc.Where are all the little upgrades for low tier units on Protoss? How do we counter an early game Stimpack/Concussive shell micro? Marauders dominate Zealots with the shells and they dominate Stalkers after they kite your Zealots to death. The best thing we have is a Sentry to force field behind them which if you dont completely block them off they'll just run right around back to their base to be healed and costs 100 vespene gas taking away from the ability to get more Stalkers to even possibly range Marauders and Marines. Not to mention Marines have ridiculously good DPS. This a joke? PvT if anything is imbalanced in favor of P outside of the ghost/no HT window. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:13 oxxo wrote: It is imbalanced in the lategame... for Zerg. That fact is just ignored by the hordes of Z whiners. maybe u missed the fact that Blizzard officially said that at max armies zerg has the weakest one . i mean zerg top tech units are the only one that cant shoot air , what more obvious . just saying | ||
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Nyx
Rwanda460 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:15 st3roids wrote: maybe u missed the fact that Blizzard officially said that at max armies zerg has the weakest one . just saying Zerg will always have the weakest 200/200 army, because in a 200/200 fight where both armies cancel out zerg is on top because it has FAR superior production. | ||
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DTown
United States428 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:06 Zurope wrote: I respect Dimaga, as his an elite player compared to me. But seriously, to go out and cry about how "overpowered" Terran is, and how Zerg is "underpowered". Last time I checked ultras/broods were not "underpowered". To address another aspect of your post which kind of misses the point, dimaga isn't just crying over imbalance like so many others are. In fact, he is doing exactly what so many terran players have suggested to Zerg "Whiners"... as in "If you think Terran is so OP, why don't you just play them?" He is taking concrete action to support his views, something which I thinks sends a very strong message. Fully support this move. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:17 Nyx wrote: Zerg will always have the weakest 200/200 army, because in a 200/200 fight where both armies cancel out zerg is on top because it has FAR superior production. Ultras and Broodlords rape basically every single ground army there is. Late game isn't really the issue for zerg at all. It's breaking fortified positions and surviving till late game. In fact Ultras are so OP is scary. Blizzard basically made every unit that should counter them no longer do so. | ||
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jlr5175
United States4 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:13 oxxo wrote: This a joke? PvT if anything is imbalanced in favor of P outside of the ghost/no HT window. How is it imbalanced in favor of Protoss? Explain. Collossi are countered by super-range Vikings and with the Mech support range that Terran usually brings around its bio ball and ghosts you cant directly push. High Templars are great and all but they wont save you from the supreme range of the mech and the constant medivac healing/scv repairing that terran usually encompasses within its army. Immortals are powerful yes but when they get focus fired they go down quick. Void Rays are OP in numbers and UP in smaller numbers. The whole charging up thing is a bad idea and doesnt fit into RTS play at all. Just make the Void ray a regular damn piece of aircraft and make its damage stay at the same level instead of raising overtime that it's charging. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
On August 17 2010 02:17 Nyx wrote: Zerg will always have the weakest 200/200 army, because in a 200/200 fight where both armies cancel out zerg is on top because it has FAR superior production. superior production ... u mean mass speedlings ... cause with the gas cost of zerg units , this is what mass production means for zerg. Have u watching any pro games , the supply food in both is usually at about roughly the same. also what stops a good terran to make 10 barracks and 5 stargates , they only cost mineral and with mules u have thousands of supply just sitting there. the argument that zerg can mass armies and the others cannot is just a myth just like that koreans are doing great as zerg . | ||
Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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nybbas
United States71 Posts
When zerg sees the benefit from being able to use their larvae to produce units is usually when they get the tech for a new unit (because now they can make a bunch of it at once) or if they have been droning up, then finally see their enemy leaving the base etc, and can make their army right there on the fly. When you get the 200/200 food battles, you can bet your ass your enemy at this point has more than enough production facilities to replace his army relatively quickly, or at the very least be able to spend all his minerals. Saying zerg should be up 3 bases over his opponent so he can just spam the shit out of units is just ridiculous... | ||
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CidO
United States695 Posts
Will zerg regain the menacing look and stop looking so darn cute soon or in a patch? probably not, but hey we're cute... I wanna squeeze a drone to death right now to get rid of all the anger i have for imbalance. But the zerg will most likely gain units to deal with current balance issues? Probably not because Blizz doesn't see there being an issue. They will gain units, only within moderate amount of balance compared to original units and based off the balance of the new units. Which the synergy created between new and old will most likely create some sort of major balance issues. More on that in 12-18 months when the expansion is talked about. Zerg's composition is horrible right now. The least amount of units and a reactionary race that doesn't have the tools to counter. Turrets + Vikings + Highground siege tanks = win The game is changing, in the first week it was 14 pool 15 hatch... Now if you do that a fast hellion roasts your units as part of the 1/1/1 build -before tech lab/reactor on the factory, just as part of a standard scout/harass unit also much better spent than going reapers. Now zerg one bases till speedlings come out and then expands, but it's still not enough, that only survives initial harassment. The zerg needs their units adjusted. In all honestly a supply change IMO won't fix the issues of unbalanced units. What needs to be changed? I don't know, im just a high platinum low diamond player. my opinion is my opinion but it's better than nothing(which is what actiblizzard is doing): Lurker needs to be in the game as tier 2. Make it research from a hydra den and the lurker evolves from the hydra unit (like blings). Hydras need to be 1 supply and lurkers 2. NP needs to work while burrowed and keep the 'channeling' aspect where you can't move but last until it's broken. Or in the worst case make it drain energy ala cloak. No more of this unborrowed 15 second BS unless you glitch the game and cast it as you're burrowing. These won't break the game and be OP as Ravens and scans can reveal burrowed units. Observers (tier2) are also available. | ||
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