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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 16 2010 08:20 IPS.Mardow. wrote: Where can I find the games of DIMAGA vs Sjow? Would like to watch them  I'd also like to state for the record that I remember beating Sjow in some tournament when he was playing protoss. (though I did happen to have a good build to fight the warp prism 4 gate he did) Now he's a top level terran xD | ||
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Iggyhopper
United States259 Posts
On August 16 2010 04:13 Voyager I wrote: Use two EMPs? Get two ghosts? Use four EMPs?EMP only does 100 damage. Wouldn't kill anything that doesn't already die to one Nuke. I don't get your argument. There are a lot of things that can get damage just because they won't have any shields when the nuke comes down. After that, and a few attacks from the ghost, and it's dead. Hah, you can also EMP the observer and then attack it because it is revealed by EMP. Classic. Great job Blizzard. The only unit that can detect a ghost for P is also one that the ghost can two-shot after EMPing it. Terran has so much room to evolve it's not even funny. They aren't even using it to it's maximum potential. | ||
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metaldragon
United States251 Posts
On August 16 2010 09:06 IdrA wrote: people take what you write seriously. dont do that. because he may disagree with your current assessment of the races? It was just weeks again when Zergs (idra ,artosis and crew) where whining super loud against mech. TLO offered a showmatch with his Z vs anyone elses T to prove Mech could be beat regularly and no one took him up on it. But....people stop complaining specifically against Mech as loud. Now its moved to a Very General TvZ is imba. I say 1 month is not enough time for people to properly find a good response to the change of gameplay thats happening at the top. How Long did it take ScBw pros to finally find a good solution to fantasys New mech when it came out? | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
1st game: huge econ advantage, way more army, but immortals just raped the roaches and following ultras. Oh, he should've gone Brood Lords. 2nd game, pfftt, stalkers, sentries, longe range collosi, with lings/queens/spines/roaches/hydras, pfftt idiot, HE SHOULD HAVE GONE BROOD LORDS. Oh man, Zerg have so many options, you just have to make the right decisions and use strategy, silly noobie zergs. tl:dr go brood lords and stfu is what all zergs should do apparently, every fcking game because everything else sucks ass. | ||
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metaldragon
United States251 Posts
On August 16 2010 09:26 epik640x wrote: lol @ people saying Dimaga just made the wrong transition without any input on what he should've done. 1st game: huge econ advantage, way more army, but immortals just raped the roaches and following ultras. Oh, he should've gone Brood Lords. 2nd game, pfftt, stalkers, sentries, longe range collosi, with lings/queens/spines/roaches/hydras, pfftt idiot, HE SHOULD HAVE GONE BROOD LORDS. Oh man, Zerg have so many options, you just have to make the right decisions and use strategy, silly noobie zergs. tl:dr go brood lords and stfu is what all zergs should do apparently, every fcking game because everything else sucks ass. I dont get it...are you saying Toss is OP now too? Dimaga DID have the wrong army composition for most of the games he lost. He saw 4 immortals BEFORE he transitioned INTO ultralisk. There was no storm on the field either. He could have easily just went hydra roach and won with his macro advantage. Ill admit I dont remember the other game very well. But the game he went ultralisk vs immortals was more Dimaga F'ing up than huk playing good. (Huk did play great though). | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 16 2010 09:06 IdrA wrote: people take what you write seriously. dont do that. I'm saying that dimaga and demuslim playing their off-races doesn't mean shit. Unless you are refering to the spoiler. | ||
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kxr1der
United States213 Posts
On August 15 2010 04:21 EleanorRIgby wrote: all these zergs saying they want to switch to terran and i have not seen one successfully do it Im not great by any means but in my own skill level i have had much better results as terran than i did as zerg. I enjoy the vast amount of options I have as terran, this way i dont have to play every match exactly the same like i basically did as zerg. We can argue all day about what the problems are but for the record I switched when they made roach two food. Im not saying it was a bad move on blizzards part, but i just couldnt play the same after that. edit: if its relevant I was zerg in broodwar so its not like i didnt know how they basically played | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On August 16 2010 09:17 metaldragon wrote: TLO offered a showmatch with his Z vs anyone elses T to prove Mech could be beat regularly and no one took him up on it. Lol... the funny thing about that thread was that one of the pro Terrans (I forget which one) offered a showmatch with their T vs anyone else's Z to prove that mech could not be beaten regularly. Before TLO's post. But no one took him up on it either. | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
IMO TvP isnt nearly as imba as TvZ, but i think there are still SOME imbalances or things that need tweaking. Marauders. I can deal with them, but it shouldnt be that hard. Ive been trying to put early preasure with stalkers and find myself surprised as to how early slow can come for terran. Marauders already completely demolish stalkers, but i can always run them away. As soon as slow comes in however they are instantly dead and there is nothing i can do. Now i dont want slow completely removed, i just want it to come a little later to allow stalker micro to actually happen in TvP, at least early on. Bunkers. So i held off an incredibly strong marauder/marine push up my ramp. Phew, that was close, now lets go counter and screw him. Oh wait, he has a bunker  Now, there is NOTHING wrong with this. He felt he was going to be under preasure so naturally he put defenses up. Good for him. But what gets to me is that this bunker is completely free. So he builds it just for a bit to hold off any counter, and then when the counter doesnt come he gets his money back. If you build defenses because you feel you need to, it should be an investment. Planetary Fortress. What bugs me about this massive defensive structure is how effectively it completely shuts down any aggression. If i'm in the lead and terran expanded, and i want to put the hurt on, a planetary fortress will completely stop me. The way it can be repaired is incredible, however i dont mind this as much. What bugs me again is that it allows terran to expand care free. Sure, many terrans dont make their naturals PFs and would rather go with Orbital Commands unless they are behind. But it is later in the game when PF's come into play. When terran takes a third or just decides to take gold, its not uncommon to turn their command centers into PF's. This makes it difficult to stop a greedy expansion. Even if his army is far away, the PF will buy terran enough time to get his army there and stop urs. Mules. I almost never have a problem with these yellow guys, except when me and terran are both mined out. I get an expo, if I can afford one. T simply lifts his CC. Now i dont have a problem with that. He is Terran, and thats just a terran thing to do. Aint nothing but a T-Thang. But now once he lands that recycled CC, BAM, all the saved mules from his main and his expo and the orbital command that he just landed come into play and completely rape the mineral line. As P, i simply cannot keep up with this. Knowing this, i MUST try to end the game earlier, before he takes an expo since that is my best opportunity. Most of the time fails since im fighting on his Terms, but sometimes i win. Either way, what bothers me, is it forces me to attack. I have never really had a problem with EMP to be honest. And if i ever do lose to a terran who used EMP, i'd rather blame it on the marauders than on the EMP. Lately, I have been going more Air builds vs Terran, and has worked out a little better. Carriers, surprisingly havn't been too bad, but i think this might be do to the surprise effect since they aren't used much. Honestly I think the only reason air works is because the terran doesnt expect it, or he invested to heavily on early marauders and now lacks marines. The things i mentioned don't mean they are imbalanced, they are simply things i have been having trouble with and really bother me. And i needed to let it out! | ||
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
On August 16 2010 09:12 Iggyhopper wrote: Use two EMPs? Get two ghosts? Use four EMPs? I don't get your argument. There are a lot of things that can get damage just because they won't have any shields when the nuke comes down. After that, and a few attacks from the ghost, and it's dead. Hah, you can also EMP the observer and then attack it because it is revealed by EMP. Classic. Great job Blizzard. The only unit that can detect a ghost for P is also one that the ghost can two-shot after EMPing it. Terran has so much room to evolve it's not even funny. They aren't even using it to it's maximum potential. Serious question: do you play this game? | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On August 16 2010 10:05 QuakerOats wrote: Lol... the funny thing about that thread was that one of the pro Terrans (I forget which one) offered a showmatch with their T vs anyone else's Z to prove that mech could not be beaten regularly. Before TLO's post. But no one took him up on it either. So surely the best idea would be to have TLO's Zerg face that Terran player ? personally I enjoy watching TLO's terran.. and that TLO vs Madfrog games were really good. Madfrog being zerg ofc, and he didn't make them look UP at all. | ||
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Iggyhopper
United States259 Posts
No. I just post on this site. ;\ | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On August 15 2010 06:48 TheAntZ wrote: are you now more of a root team manager or are you still playing a lot? if you are still palying a lot and sticking with zerg, nice! its really quite disheartening to see all these players switch race for balance issues. I can understand why with huge money to be won and sponsorships to maintain, but still...if people stuck to zerg maybe something would 'click' like it did for protoss in BW in pvz (forge FE). that took a looong time to perfect too I never really liked dimaga as a player though, seemed like an allin player from i do both play and manage, both quite a bit :D. blizzard WILL take action soon, worry not | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 16 2010 09:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I'm saying that dimaga and demuslim playing their off-races doesn't mean shit. Unless you are refering to the spoiler. i am the fact that dimaga beating sjow could be considered meaningful shows just how silly terran is. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 16 2010 19:14 IdrA wrote: i am the fact that dimaga beating sjow could be considered meaningful shows just how silly terran is. :D Well said, Dimaga is probably higher on Europe's best Zergs list then Sjow is on Sweeeden's best terrans. NO offense to Sjow, it's just a compliment for Sweedish Terrans  | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
today in esport ppl completely rely on their sponsors and therefore on their reputation; it isn't that big of a deal if you lose once in a while if you are in the spotlight, if ppl are talking about you; with this small announcement dimaga achieved much more than he would have by winning a medium-sized tournament; not only is zerg now definitely considered to be the weakest race but more so everybody is discussing specifically the player "dimaga"; not because he is such a great player (which he is) but because he made that announcement moreover, the more ppl actually believe that zerg suck and the fewer zerg-players make it to the top, the better it will be for dimaga since he will become an idol for all the other zergs out there; again very, very good publicity; if he switches, not only will he lose all of his zerg fans but won't gain "that" much new terran fans to begin with; it will not help him a bit if he becomes a mediocre terran player, even if he eventually ends up in top 4 or something like that more often; the only thing that would help him would be if he immediately ended up going straight to the top, which is highly questionable considering that there are a lot of really skilled terrans out there already put long things short, being one of the if not "the" best european zerg means easily much more reputation, even if his chances of winning actual tournaments may decrease; I mean, just think about the years of warcraft III when orc was considered to be one of the weaker races: grubby stuck with orc and started to own; though eventually getting beaten by a nightelf or on rare occasions by a human he became an idol for all the other orc-players struggling with the current state of the game back then; now he is one of the best known european wcIII-pros | ||
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Tak3r
United Kingdom749 Posts
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