EPTOn August 15 2010 09:01 NicolBolas wrote:
This is why balance patches don't and shouldn't come out willy-nilly.
This is why balance patches don't and shouldn't come out willy-nilly.
They sure seemed to during the beta.
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
They sure seemed to during the beta. | ||
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Kolvacs
Canada1203 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:03 Kare wrote: If he wants to switch race, let him switch race... who cares? Its his choice. No duh, it was the beta? | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:10 zimz wrote: change marauder and marine damage lower or make there build time longer or make marauder n marines have less hp. or just make balanced maps instead of cliffs and narrow corridors all over the place. terran is fine, maps are not. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:08 Kolvacs wrote: No duh, it was the beta? so? | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:05 Chriamon wrote: Thats so 4 months ago. Watch some of his ladder games. I've seen him start a game on Delta Quadrant vs a T with a 16 hatch 15 pool. EDIT: Also, I think its a bluff, he might change T for a little, but he'll still practice Z, and switch right back as soon as the first patch comes out. 4 months ago is more like when I took him as primary zerg idol after seeing loads of creative strategies for first time. It's such utter crap for anyone to call him cheap abuser just because he played some cups with allins when he has been the most revolutionary zerg player throughout the beta IMO. While being like top100 euro player myself, after watching 5 dimaga reps in ~may I found out about like 5ish new strats that I hadn't heard of before. So if relatively good player can at once find out about loads of new strategies, guy definately has earned the respect. | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
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Sky.Technique
United States271 Posts
just like now, T has all options and zerg must scout right basically, but i have faith in blizzzard.....i mean they did wonders with b.net2.0 right?..oh..... | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:16 Sky.Technique wrote: they put hydras at tier 2 bcuz at early beta phase 1 (like the very beginning) players would go one hatch hydra, so as terran or protoss, u had to defend possibly like 10 hydras very eraly in the game, or they could have just used the larva for drdones. it was very hard early game for t and p just like now, T has all options and zerg must scout right basically, but i have faith in blizzzard.....i mean they did wonders with b.net2.0 right?..oh..... They should tone them down, make them closer to bw hydras | ||
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f0rk
England172 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:01 NicolBolas wrote: This is why balance patches don't and shouldn't come out willy-nilly. Blizzard seriously needs to take their time with this, both to ensure that there is a problem and to correct it without breaking other things. TvZ doesn't exist in a vacuum. I agree, but at the same time they need to be talking to the top players about what they are doing, and not base it all on their stats. They clearly isn't much communication if dimaga is considering this switch. I also don't think you can mess with numbers too much without fucking up other match ups and game stages, for example 1 supply roach is ok early game but late game is really dumb. I think t1 infestors would be very interesting, gives zerg more options to open with and balances itself by having high gas cost so you are limited with banelings/roaches early. | ||
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Antpile
United States213 Posts
On August 15 2010 04:20 Brad wrote: So lets say DIMAGA practices Terran for the next 6 months, and then Terran gets nerfed. Where is he then? Playing a race because of balance in a game environment where it's going to change monthly is ridiculous. This just assumes that they will over nerf Terran and he will be stuck with the "suck race" again. However, this is VERY unlikely. Most likely scenario: they balance zerg out and maybe nerf Terran a bit so it is a fair game. He is not in a bad position now as he is good with a race that is now balanced and fair so he is still in a better position than he is now. From a pro gamer standpoint, it is very logical to switch to T. You will have better success now while T is strong and when they get nerfed that will only bring you down to being on even footing with your opponents. Why wouldn't pro gamers be switching right now? | ||
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biarecare
United States76 Posts
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Orange Goblin
218 Posts
Buffing the Roach is also hard imho. Also, I'm not even sure it would make that much of a difference. I think everyone can agree that the way Z functions early game right now is just silly. People are talking about ridiculous things like nydus. Guess what, that's late game, chum, that's not the problem. Is it ridiculously imbalanced? Not really, but the problem is that you need to have perfect micro if you're going to defend two-basing against a good player. One-basing is basically the same as an very early push. As Z vs anyone skilled, you simply haven't got any way to force plays. Why does everyone (except the Z players) think it's OK that one race always have to play solely reactively, and not be able to be aggressive? Being aggressive as Z early game is going all-in, while P and T have no problems transitioning into whatever they goddamn please after being aggressive. Why is that OK? Why are you afraid of giving Z options early game? Afraid you actually have to do some micro for a change? This isn't really about buffing Z as a whole. It's about giving Z a similar bag of tricks at skill levels where things aren't about luck (the very top few players in the ladder right now, don't even bother saying just "diamond", people in diamond aren't that good). People using ladder statistics aren't really understanding the problem. Those few players won't show up on those statistics. Scrub players will be able to win with Z just fine. But even so, they will have the same limited options as the good players early game, and while this isn't going to be a huge issue (at least not for a while), it's still a bit boring to play, because they will still have to mostly be the reactive player. | ||
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Carnagath
230 Posts
On August 15 2010 04:35 AcOrP wrote: Laddering korean zergs can have good results but as it is right now. You can lose ZvT vs alot less skilled terran. You can ask IdrA how it feel to know you have advantage the whole game map control crazy macro to play perfectly and still lose. Becouse terram is OP. I feel sorry that so many great zerg players switched to T... Whenever Blizzard patch and balance things out many wont bother to switch back to zerg as it will require time and practice...I wish we had 2-3 month longer beta and perfect balance between the races than this... Idra is an idiot, he wants the game to play itself while he stands around spreading creep and scratching his balls, he can't 1base, always FE's and loses to cliff tanks or similar ridiculous things and then trashtalks people. The one time he sat his ass down and studied his opponents and actually played like an intelligent human and not a macro bot he destroyed everything. Check is doing phenomenal. Dimaga is occasionally flawless but unfortunately not stable as a player, sometimes he sucks. I'm sick of this Zerg QQ of idiots who want to play defensively vs Terran and then have to inevitably face the mech ball with food limit of units that are not meant for that. Madfrog seems to have the playstyle down and played some amazing games. The game is new (yes, that includes the beta) and strategies are still being mapped, how about be patient and perfect your own play... Or you can QQ some more, whatever rocks your boat. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Orange Goblin
218 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:23 Carnagath wrote: Idra is an idiot, he wants the game to play itself while he stands around spreading creep and scratching his balls, he can't 1base, always FE's and loses to cliff tanks or similar ridiculous things and then trashtalks people. The one time he sat his ass down and studied his opponents and actually played like an intelligent human and not a macro bot he destroyed everything. Check is doing phenomenal. Dimaga is occasionally flawless but unfortunately not stable as a player, sometimes he sucks. I'm sick of this Zerg QQ of idiots who want to play defensively vs Terran and then have to inevitably face the mech ball with food limit of units that are not meant for that. Madfrog seems to have the playstyle down and played some amazing games. The game is new (yes, that includes the beta) and strategies are still being mapped, how about be patient and perfect your own play... Or you can QQ some more, whatever rocks your boat. Have you even watched a game by Idra? He one-bases all the time against Koreans. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
Zerglings need wings!!! | ||
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Nickgazord
United States64 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 15 2010 09:27 nitdkim wrote: Zerglings need wings!!! I hate to break it to you but | ||
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Meff
Italy287 Posts
On August 15 2010 08:37 Traveler wrote: Nope, simply an entering college freshman with two formulas to his name already (approximating factorials backwards, even without the need for integer factorials), I simply like mathematics. Oh, a colleague (or at least, a future one). In that case, let me explain the problem with a little more depth. Let's take for a moment the fuzzy definition of "overpowered" to be, "something leading to victories that do not reflect skill levels". This is a definition that links performance with skill level. Now, the problem is that the statistics you have are all about performance; none of them tells you about skill level. Somebody could be able to get a 63% win ratio against top-level opponents because they're as dumb as a pet rock, but are playing an overpowered race or they could even get that same ratio because they're a Starcraft 2 god who is playing a completely underpowered race. Now, is it reasonable to assume an even distribution of skill between the various races? No, not really. There could be a race selection bias relative to level of skill or it could even be that playing an underpowered race for a while gives better training than playing an overpowered one. Anyways, there are a lot of people on here that a proclaiming that zerg is imbalanced when they have no proof of imbalance, simply a lot of the "mass hysteria syndrome" that is fueling the economic situation. People say zerg is bad, then people don't play zerg because they believe it is bad, and thus you get a spirally race proportion. However, race popularity has little to do with race balance - for good or for ill. Anyways, I watch a ton of zerg and I even play zerg, and I see a lot of people simply not utilizing some of the better capabilities of zerg anymore, like nydus's drops and abusing the mobility I'm afraid that this is not really constructive, as it doesn't suggest a scenario in which to use drops. "Abusing the mobility" is not even a well-defined strategy, for that matter. Be more specific and post replays of popular T builds defeated in this way. | ||
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