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Nifel
706 Posts
So, to cut it short. Although I feel there's no huge imbalance, Terran has a slight advantage while Zerg is at a disadvantage. I feel Protoss is at a pretty comfortable position on the whole (even if I think a handful of their units could use an overhaul), especially taking into account that they might have more unexplored potential than the other two. Oh, and I play random but feel Zerg is the most fun. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
A bit later in a BW TvP, when the numbers are really big, the Protoss almost has to completely abandon getting into ground battles with the Terran. At this point, the spellcasters have a big part (mainly the arbiter). You can abuse the immobility of the Terran with Recall or you can incapacitate some of it with Stasis. As it stands in SC2 right now, the Zerg doesnt really have the spellcasting capability to fuck with the army (mainly because of Neural Parasite nerf I guess). That said, zerg can still abuse the immobility with things like the Nydus Worm, something I seriously think needs to be explored much further. The third major way that Toss was able to deal with Terran in BW was to out-expand them like mad. It's not uncommon to see a Protoss have 2-3+ expansions over the terran in later game scenarios. Terran just had a lot of trouble pushing out and stopping them. With the comparatively small maps that we see in SC2, Terran is more capable of shutting down attempts to mass expand. Much of what I said is true for PvT in SC2 as well. Sorry for comparing different match ups (and of course different games) but I hope I get my point across. To sum up real quick, I think a lot of the current "imbalance" that we are supposedly seeing is actually problems in the maps. I mentioned this in an earlier post here but I'll just reiterate: I play zerg. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On July 20 2010 20:27 Necrosjef wrote: Hi there cutie-pie I highlighted things that have no basis in reality, wanna add something? I accept your resignation  | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
I accept your resignation | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
My worst is P because i almost never play them, their design has always looked a little bit fag for me. | ||
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
On July 20 2010 21:14 Sadistx wrote: How many threads are you zergs going to make to make yourself feel better about losing to terrans? I've seriously lost count. Your main argument is basically "tanks imba". I've yet to see a single replay confirming this, maybe because no one here is actually good enough to provide such high level reps. How about contribute something useful to the discussion or GTFO? | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6182 Posts
All units are really good. EMP are fast to have. Tank are just brutal. Thors rape air like nothing. Mass marine is so good. Worst P (for me): Still have difficulty to use the force field to my advantage. Don't have good BO to use Collossus vs Zerg without getting raped by muta. I can't use at all the plane i don't even remember the name since I never use them  (at least, Void ray rape in 2v2 ) | ||
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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
worst: protoss Sure everyone rages about protoss mobility micro & harrasment opportunities which is true, but other races have ample of these too, the difference here is protoss' shine through because they simply cannot engage in a 1-1 fight with other races (terran especially) as the standing army is just weaker, no way around it. PvZ is probably balanced/very nearly balanced but protoss has the harder time against terran which is why this is my decision | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On July 20 2010 21:38 Necrosjef wrote: How about contribute something useful to the discussion or GTFO? You should probably take that advice and post some replays instead of the nonsense from your previous posts. | ||
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JrK
United States283 Posts
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zergyjames
19 Posts
or give it 2 armor or something | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On July 20 2010 21:14 Sadistx wrote: How many threads are you zergs going to make to make yourself feel better about losing to terrans? I've seriously lost count. Your main argument is basically "tanks imba". I've yet to see a single replay confirming this, maybe because no one here is actually good enough to provide such high level reps. I don't think you understand exactly how good smart-targetting is... Now, I'm not saying "tanks are imba," because there are certainly ways to beat terran mech (going for base trade, massing ling/infestor, just staying at much higher food count etc.). However, it is insane how much damage tanks can do to a good ling/roach/hydra army. With units all clumping together automatically and tanks never overkilling, you can easily lose 4,5 times as many roaches to tanks. With good tank positioning, you basically can never engage the tanks directly, and have to either neural parasite half of them first or run around to counterattack. | ||
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
Brood lords just come too late. But even if you can get them out, terran has vikings. I've often said the problem with terran is not so much the units are broken but that for some reason they gave terran the longest ranged ground unit and the longest ranged air unit. If you think ZvT is balanced, try it. There's not much you can do against a well-protected tank line. A lot of people say 'exploit mobility blah blah' but the maps are too small and it doesn't really matter if you can kill off a base but can't touch their army. Right now nobody has any solid suggestions of how to beat a well-protected tank line. You can pull it off every now and then, but it's not balanced. I'm not saying that it doesn't take skill though. PvZ is balanced enough. It's actually the matchup I enjoy watching most, currently. | ||
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alucardme87
Vietnam25 Posts
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
When we start seeing maps similar to those on ICCUP, the terran's immobility will really start to hurt them and they won't be able to rely on mech without being punished. A spell like FF that is currently OP against zerg in a ton of situations won't be nearly as effective. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
I think terran is worst because you autolose to any protoss who does a 4gate + immortal push, you basically have to make siege tanks for tvt, and any kind of drop or harass you do vs zerg will be spotted by overlords well in advance. | ||
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
On July 20 2010 23:34 DuneBug wrote: The problem is not just tanks. Its that siege tank weaknesses are covered very easily in this game, particularly against zerg. Marines are stronger than in BW, mutalisks are about the same but can't be clumped. Even if they were clumped then you'd get boned by Thor. And of course no dark swarm. Brood lords just come too late. But even if you can get them out, terran has vikings. I've often said the problem with terran is not so much the units are broken but that for some reason they gave terran the longest ranged ground unit and the longest ranged air unit. If you think ZvT is balanced, try it. There's not much you can do against a well-protected tank line. A lot of people say 'exploit mobility blah blah' but the maps are too small and it doesn't really matter if you can kill off a base but can't touch their army. Right now nobody has any solid suggestions of how to beat a well-protected tank line. You can pull it off every now and then, but it's not balanced. I'm not saying that it doesn't take skill though. PvZ is balanced enough. It's actually the matchup I enjoy watching most, currently. 100% Agree with this^^ Tanks are strong themselves but they are beatable by certain units. Big issue Zerg has is that those certain units get UTTERLY RAPED by the units that aren't a tank. Terran aren't unbeatable but a 80 APM Terran can easily beat a 180 APM Zerg player in the current state of things on certain maps. Certain maps are kinda even like Metalopolis, not sure a whole bunch of Zerg players would disagree with that. Other maps like Steppes of war are an utter joke though. | ||
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