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On July 20 2010 09:24 crms wrote:
as this thread has been done to death, I'll give my same answer.
best: terran
worst: zerg
my race: zerg
I feel Zerg is pretty damn good, just because they are 'the worst' doesn't mean 'they suck.' The only reason I gave them my 'worst' vote is because well.. T is insane. Z/P are pretty comprable ZvP is very balanced, Z struggles vs. T, and P doesn't struggle quite as much vs T so therefore Z is worst.
it is nice knowing that others also can see that the ZvT matchup is a uphill battle for Z. I thought I was just a minority whining but it seems like a lot of others think this as well. but can blizz fix this?
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On July 20 2010 12:47 st3roids wrote:
I like it how so many claim zerg are the overall weakest class and yet they have dominated most tournaments plus the world cup , not to mention the best players are zerg atm like cool - dimaga - check etc
Fyi almost all koreans are zerg or terrans .
On the other hand pls enlight me what serious tournaments have protoss won lately ? all i see is protoss getting eliminated from the first rounds not to mention only a handfull of good players are toss , like tester and huk.
Yet you dont realize it not the race it the player the top zerg players are so good if they played any race from begining would still be top player. Point people telling you is in general they are not as strong as toss and protoss because lact variability and also less forgiving.
The tourney results are not what you should base it on you should realize how much more work it is for those zerg players to win and how much better they are than the oponents they beat. I have alot respect for the top zerg players and very little for Terran and Toss at present.
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well terran is obviously op
i'd have to say asian zergs are just another breed of humans, i have no idea how they manage to do what they do. not really sure if z or p is weaker, think we'll have to wait
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The results of this poll say it all.
Seriously, playing Zerg makes me want to switch races.
It's just so much more difficult than it should be 
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Voted Terran for the best, they're just so versatile compared to the other races.
Zerg got my vote for worst, but while the margin is there, I don't think it's too huge. I think that perhaps people need more time to explore what Zerg is capable of.
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On July 20 2010 12:49 Kindred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 12:26 TheAntZ wrote:
The most powerful race is almost certainly zerg. The reason people are voting terran as strongest is probably because its so much easier to play so terran players are dominating right now, especially in tvz Not true TERRAN: THE BEST ARMYI voted Terran but not because its the easiest to play...because their army is complete. The air units are great, Vikings for AA are amazing, Banshees + cloak are strong and fast, BTs are BTs, Ravens are a great support unit, Medivac works so well with M&M ball On the ground, they have Reapers which are amazing for harrass, M&M ball is very good especially with Stim and Concussive being cheap and available. Tanks are fast & great, Thor is a monster with his splash Not to mention all the little extras that get be researched with each unit, Stim, Concussive, cloak, EMP, Siege, 250 mm canon, Auto turret, PDD, Seeker missile, etc Even their main building, the CC can be a strong defense with the PF or get you scouting info from the comfort of your base. I just find Terran to have a good army that compliments itself PROTOSS: THE WEAKEST ARMYNot gonna bother writing when someone already did it so well http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128071On a side note: ZERGI don't think it has the weakest army. it compliments itself, similar to terran (not as much for sure and it does need work) Roachs are very strong in early game and even in Mid-Late game against Thors or Siege Tanks. Their moving while burrowed is amazing too. Hydras are great period. Mutas are great for harrass. Yes Ultralisks need work but as a T3 unit, Broodlords are beasts. And the Infestor are most probably the coolest unit in the game.
Good points, definitely. In my experience Terran felt both complete and easier to play than zerg, thats why I said what I did. I do like zerg much more though, with zerg its basically "survive until you win" kind of playstyle, which I think suits zerg well, fits the swarmy feeling. Weak at first, but if you can hold off the first few attacks (which you are given the tools to do) and survive till lategame, the game swings in your favor, and it becomes the zergs game to lose
Like I said I feel that even if people say zerg feels 'incomplete', I feel it has already been given the tools to be able to survive against the other races till it reaches critical macro capability, perhaps im wrong here and they could still use a boost.
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On July 20 2010 13:24 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2010 12:49 Kindred wrote:On July 20 2010 12:26 TheAntZ wrote:
The most powerful race is almost certainly zerg. The reason people are voting terran as strongest is probably because its so much easier to play so terran players are dominating right now, especially in tvz Not true TERRAN: THE BEST ARMYI voted Terran but not because its the easiest to play...because their army is complete. The air units are great, Vikings for AA are amazing, Banshees + cloak are strong and fast, BTs are BTs, Ravens are a great support unit, Medivac works so well with M&M ball On the ground, they have Reapers which are amazing for harrass, M&M ball is very good especially with Stim and Concussive being cheap and available. Tanks are fast & great, Thor is a monster with his splash Not to mention all the little extras that get be researched with each unit, Stim, Concussive, cloak, EMP, Siege, 250 mm canon, Auto turret, PDD, Seeker missile, etc Even their main building, the CC can be a strong defense with the PF or get you scouting info from the comfort of your base. I just find Terran to have a good army that compliments itself PROTOSS: THE WEAKEST ARMYNot gonna bother writing when someone already did it so well http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128071On a side note: ZERGI don't think it has the weakest army. it compliments itself, similar to terran (not as much for sure and it does need work) Roachs are very strong in early game and even in Mid-Late game against Thors or Siege Tanks. Their moving while burrowed is amazing too. Hydras are great period. Mutas are great for harrass. Yes Ultralisks need work but as a T3 unit, Broodlords are beasts. And the Infestor are most probably the coolest unit in the game. Good points, definitely. In my experience Terran felt both complete and easier to play than zerg, thats why I said what I did. I do like zerg much more though, with zerg its basically "survive until you win" kind of playstyle, which I think suits zerg well, fits the swarmy feeling. Weak at first, but if you can hold off the first few attacks (which you are given the tools to do) and survive till lategame, the game swings in your favor, and it becomes the zergs game to lose Like I said I feel that even if people say zerg feels 'incomplete', I feel it has already been given the tools to be able to survive against the other races till it reaches critical macro capability, perhaps im wrong here and they could still use a boost.
The way I see it, Zerg is like a parasite. If you let them expand too much, you are screwed lol They can rebuild their army so fast its crazy. and their creep tumors give them so much map control!
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The problem is Blizzard screwed up the zerg "swarm" by not having ANY zerg unit costing 1 food. This IS the problem, and the problem is the design they opted to go for SC2 with hydra at tier 2, and them being forced to up roach to 2 food. Actually since I hate the roach, I did not mind the nerf, but the design flaws they made from the beginning forced them to remove all 1 food zergs from the game, and now we ended up with this mess. It is too late to alter the race drastically now, and I can not figure out how they can solve this mess.
Personally I would be glad if they removed the roach completely, and tried something new that works for the zerg, but it wont happen, and for them to make hydra 1 food they need to make too many alterations aswell.
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Best race: Protoss
Worst race: None
Terran is strong, I agree, but I still got to hand it to Protoss, who could warp units almost anywhere on the map and able to divide an entire army with the use of a single skill.
Even so, all races are deadly in the hands of a pro. So no worst race for me.
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I'll just say that I think Terran is the best strictly in the sense that it has the most potential and is more in-depth than the other races and Zerg being the worst strictly in the sense that it's the most difficult while also having less depth than both T or P. I look forward to having my latter statement proven wrong though as I watch more Zerg pros once the game is released.
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Best: Terran, unrivaled versatility and undisputed solidarity overall.
Worst: Between P and Z.
Protoss has bigger/more expensive units and buildings mean every mistake counts that much more, and very hard to have varied tech without 2-3+ bases, meaning that very skilled players will really have a ball with Protoss, the less mistakes you manage to make, this race will benefit the most.
Zerg is just a lot harder to play in comparison to T or P (macro wise), they are a huge macro race and I really think most of these Zergs just can't handle the APM.
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I feel like protoss really the best/easiest race. it was the one i had most wins with the easiest when i tried all of them.
I would just go robo and get colossus or immortals depending on what their army composition was, got me from bronze to gold in a few days. felt almost too easy.
And force fields, just feels a little TOO use full to me right now. I would really like to see some change to it, to make it less effective in battles
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It's an ambiguous question. Worse in what context? Gameplay? Dynamics? Strength relative to other races? Build varieties?
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lol how can anyone say that Terran is harder than Protoss? I mean if someone in Diamond really claims that, their stupid no offense.
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I want to think myself as neutral, eventhough it ofc doesn't sound that way when admitting I'm zerg:
Best: T, Worst: Z.
Not claiming there's huge imbalances, but I feel it's a lot easier to adapt and force opponent to do specific stuff as other races, terran specially. As zerg it feels you may get even match at best. To me it feels terran always gets even match minimum - or better, if he gets lucky with locations or map.
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You need to define 'best'.
Most powerful? Most fun? Most annoying?
I find P the most fun to play and T the most powerful and its also great for pissing people off. Fast reaper/banshee etc.
Well I'm a Zerg player but Zerg sucks. Boring and just so linear. At least we have creep
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Most fun would be protoss. Zerg feels little lacking with variety. But all in all I would say they are all just fine
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This is my idéas and thoughts.
I feel like zerg is the one that takes moste practise and attention and oncetration and skills because you`ve got to manage and keep up so many things..
Overlords, larva, creep tumors, and of course, get alot of units.
You need to scout alot and really counter whatever the scout tells you to get because a randomly assigned army will not get far.
I enjoy zerg because it takes skill and is interesting.
There are alot of games where you can play as humans and alot where you can play against aliens with lazer guns.
Zerg is just "special".
I voted zerg for as, because of what is written in my post.
And protoss for worst, because their units is too strong, and their hidden pylon warp in in my base stuff is so fucking nooby. Cannon shit is also annoying.
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terran is the best. they have so many options when it comes to harass, and late game a maxed terran army is probably the best in the game in most situations.
zerg gets my vote for worst right now. however, the amount of workers that a zerg can potentially (and seemingly safely, according to today's trends) get out in the mid game compared to a T or P makes balancing zerg's mid-late game army a really delicate process. if zerg's mid/late game army was a little more efficient they could easily become the best race.
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I've read through 4/6 pages and have yet to see anyone make a convincing argument based on statistical information and not just opinionated bullshit. We have lists of the ladder rankings and records from all tournaments yet people are vehemently claiming positions based on biases. Almost every single person says their race is the weakest.
Really says a lot. No idea how this isn't closed yet, these threads are far too numerous and getting really tiring.
Balance isn't decided by polls, and shouldn't be, so give these a rest. We already know that Zerg players are more opinionated on balance topics as well as more prevalent on these forums and that most of the time the races voting are not equally represented.
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