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On July 20 2010 12:06 Synk wrote: Its a little disturbing just how extremely skewed this pole is .... has to count for something.
Do you mean the amount who agree zerg is worst? or do you mean the pole in general poles good for finding out opinions media uses it all the time.
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Protoss > Terran > Zerg
I feel quite sad for Zerg players. Watching IdrA vs TesteR. :,(
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i play terran the most, regardless of my race icon.
i agree with HubertFelix, post 18 (not sure how to quote)
"I don't really get the utility of this kind of topic. You don't even give statistics."
terran is one of the most popular races, but that may be because most new players find help in their (human) relations. that is fine, but asking what race you play , and what race is the most powerful are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, jeez.
also, so many people have spammed this topic and created this post way too many times.
THE ANSWER ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE PEOPLE. PEOPLE LIKE TO THINK TERRAN IS THE BEST RACE! AND THAT ZERG, IS THE WORST. (if this seems like i am shouting it is because i am) people don't get that there were no terrans in the finals of the HD freakin' H. they just PUT the race they play the most and put zerg as worst.maybe people hate the overmind, idk. but put the race you think has the most power in these polls, not the one all you play the most, and zerg is NOT the worst race, the worst race is protoss!( althgough, admittedly liquid nazgul and white ra are good) the thining is, how can you say zerg is the worst when there are players like IdrA out there
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What the hell, why doesn't someone close this thread T_T
If there was really a problem with racial balance, Blizzard would see it from the massive game statistics they have.
How can you even think about imbalance so long as you are not an absolute top player... Everyone is just listening to (certain) Zergs whine their ass off.
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I play zerg and it is the most bland race by far. It might not be "worse" in the sense that you can't win games, but all the units are the same and there is nothing really different about SCII zerg from SC zerg except the sweet creep mechanic.
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Oh also every ZvT and ZvP I play is either me losing in 5, 8, or 11 minutes or a 30 minute game where I win.
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You do realize idra complained himself about it as well...
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The most powerful race is almost certainly zerg. The reason people are voting terran as strongest is probably because its so much easier to play so terran players are dominating right now, especially in tvz
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I just can't stand how on every live game with Zv*** it ALWAYS comes down to: Well that Z sucks he should have done _____ or ____ . This is just constant even when the best Z in the world r playing like IdrA, Dimaga and Sheth or w/e.
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On July 20 2010 12:17 BaaL` wrote: If there was really a problem with racial balance, Blizzard would see it from the massive game statistics they have. I have yet to see one convincing argument that some win/loss statistic would be able to show the kind of imbalance people are talking about. Since most games are matchmade in the middle ranks and since you can completely discount whatever goes on at the bottom, all you really have to look at is the top ranks. Even then, there's no reasonable cutoff to use, because every time someone wins a game because of imbalance it tries to find a better opponent for them. If 'skill' was perfectly measurable and an imbalanced raced provided a modifier to 'skill', then in the very long run the matchmaking system would approach 50/50 win/loss for every player except for the top player (being offline and playing few games will mean that this doesn't happen) so really there isn't much that can be done with widespread statistics unless they find that at some skill cutoff point it becomes impossible to win one matchup (few imbalances are actually that harsh).
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It's not that Zerg is super underpowered or bad, its just that its the least forgiving race.
If you drone up to much early game, its gg.
If you don't drone up enough early and can't get any good damage in with your initial roaches/lings/blings, its gg.
If you slack off with spawning your larvae and realize that you can't reinforce your army even though you have 2k minerals in the bank, its gg.
If you are playing P and suddenly under a lot of harass in your natural and your army is completely out of position, you can warp in units for instant back-up.
If your playing T and your whole ground army on the field gets destroyed by your opponents ground army, you can just set up a few tanks behind your wall-in and force your opponent back while you build up.
Zerg just doesn't have the cushion that the other races offer.
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I like it how so many claim zerg are the overall weakest class and yet they have dominated most tournaments plus the world cup , not to mention the best players are zerg atm like cool - dimaga - check etc
Fyi almost all koreans are zerg or terrans .
On the other hand pls enlight me what serious tournaments have protoss won lately ? all i see is protoss getting eliminated from the first rounds not to mention only a handfull of good players are toss , like tester and huk.
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On July 20 2010 12:26 TheAntZ wrote: The most powerful race is almost certainly zerg. The reason people are voting terran as strongest is probably because its so much easier to play so terran players are dominating right now, especially in tvz
Not true
TERRAN: THE BEST ARMY I voted Terran but not because its the easiest to play...because their army is complete. The air units are great, Vikings for AA are amazing, Banshees + cloak are strong and fast, BTs are BTs, Ravens are a great support unit, Medivac works so well with M&M ball On the ground, they have Reapers which are amazing for harrass, M&M ball is very good especially with Stim and Concussive being cheap and available. Tanks are fast & great, Thor is a monster with his splash Not to mention all the little extras that get be researched with each unit, Stim, Concussive, cloak, EMP, Siege, 250 mm canon, Auto turret, PDD, Seeker missile, etc Even their main building, the CC can be a strong defense with the PF or get you scouting info from the comfort of your base. I just find Terran to have a good army that compliments itself
PROTOSS: THE WEAKEST ARMY Not gonna bother writing when someone already did it so well http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128071
On a side note: ZERG I don't think it has the weakest army. it compliments itself, similar to terran (not as much for sure and it does need work) Roachs are very strong in early game and even in Mid-Late game against Thors or Siege Tanks. Their moving while burrowed is amazing too. Hydras are great period. Mutas are great for harrass. Yes Ultralisks need work but as a T3 unit, Broodlords are beasts. And the Infestor are most probably the coolest unit in the game.
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When I play against noobs, I play Zerg.
When I play against pros I play Protoss or Terran.
Zerg is just too weak..... Their strategies are simple, predictable, and easily scouted/countered. They are the most easy to scout because of the creep. They have very limited cheese strats. And they are the race that is the most vunerable to cheese.
When armies are massed, Zerg players have a much weaker army.
When I play Zerg, even when I have gained a huge advantage early in the game I can still loose. When I play terran, once my opponent has given me the upperhand I am almost guareenteed to win. That's how tough it is to play Zerg.
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I have a feeling Zerg is considered the best race on the Korean server..
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On July 20 2010 12:15 Thoreezhea wrote: i play terran the most, regardless of my race icon.
i agree with HubertFelix, post 18 (not sure how to quote)
"I don't really get the utility of this kind of topic. You don't even give statistics."
terran is one of the most popular races, but that may be because most new players find help in their (human) relations. that is fine, but asking what race you play , and what race is the most powerful are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, jeez.
also, so many people have spammed this topic and created this post way too many times.
THE ANSWER ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE PEOPLE. PEOPLE LIKE TO THINK TERRAN IS THE BEST RACE! AND THAT ZERG, IS THE WORST. (if this seems like i am shouting it is because i am) people don't get that there were no terrans in the finals of the HD freakin' H. they just PUT the race they play the most and put zerg as worst.maybe people hate the overmind, idk. but put the race you think has the most power in these polls, not the one all you play the most, and zerg is NOT the worst race, the worst race is protoss!( althgough, admittedly liquid nazgul and white ra are good) the thining is, how can you say zerg is the worst when there are players like IdrA out there
It actually did change. At the (near) begining of the beta most people agreed that zerg was the most powerful race before the roach nerf. Because of this the majority of korean players mained zerg and it filled the ladders, but now the top of their ladder is covered with terran.
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Came into this topic expecting these exact poll results.
Wasn't disappointed.
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Zerg is by far the hardest race to play, and Protoss is the easiest race to play.
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