EPTDont see why blizzard is so stupid to realize this.
[Poll] Racial Matchup Balance - Page 8
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Dont see why blizzard is so stupid to realize this. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
Still, didn't the last Aiur tournament right before the beta's end have 7 zergs and one terran in the top 8? The 17173 tournament ended up pretty zerg-y. Though, a terran won #3 for that (Maka fighting!). Last ASM, Ro8: Gerrard (Zerg) v Artosis (Zerg) Cezanne (Zerg) v Luffy (Zerg) Ace (Protoss) v IdrA (Zerg) Commitment (Zerg) v Sen (Zerg) Though, ASM#3 was won by a Terran, so Asian terrans aren't that dismal. Ensnare and Rainbow (who ended up, despite what he said in his interview, laddering a ton) have done pretty well in the clan tournaments, though they didn't go deep (well, Rainbow qualified) in the 17173 tournament or any ASM. Ensnare did well in some XP tournaments I think. PJ almost beat Cool in the 17173. Maka has been doing well in both. Hannibal, Dayfly, Loner, and Ozil are also notable. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
In my opinion and from what i see, terran's army is the most powerful right now. For instance why do they have such a huge bonus aggainst buildings? They can simply take 10 marauders, one stimm, and there goes the hatchery / nexus. It's ridiculous how high their DPS. | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
This might be bad but if you compare it to BW, it's tanks, with smart AI, where the turrets can move and does higher dmg to air, and can shoot ground, and mutas can't be micro'ed anymore. Oh and there is no DS or lukers. Instead we have fungal growth, not that useful against tanks, and NP, which although is good, you got to get in range and have enough infestors after getting the upgrade to control like 30-40% of his tanks to stand a chance, which is a massive investment for a lot of infestors, assuming his hellions don't rape them first. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
ZvZ and ZvT are the worst matchups in sc2 right now. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
PvP is more fine than TvT? Really? Every time I read a poll on this site it just makes me think the people here are voting without having any idea wtf they're talking about. | ||
jhNz
Germany2762 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
I personally play terran. And TvT is indeed a boring tank/viking fest, similar to BW TvT. | ||
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Scruff
Singapore509 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Lylat
France8571 Posts
First I don't think I have other choice than going mech since bio is raped by FG + Banelings and later by Ultras now that they are immune to stun I must agree that mech is a bit powerful but Z has many counter : NP (12s is enough to end a fight.. seriously), burrowed roaches kick asses and ultras are quite strong, people should stop denying them.. I think the only problem is the cliff on LT, they should had a destructible rock so that Z can access their cliff and prevent them from Thor drop | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On July 14 2010 15:32 Turbo.Tactics wrote: You are not alone, so let's see how many others find the logic in doing this.I am still sticking with my theory that Blizzard wants imbalance for the release date. My guess is that the majority of casuals will start playing online with Terran because they feel familiar due to the campaign. Poll: Blizzard profits from WoL(T) slightly Terran-favored? (more T fans) Nonsense (24) Makes sense (9) 33 total votes Your vote: Blizzard profits from WoL(T) slightly Terran-favored? (more T fans) Note, this is not a big issue. Blizzard could even officially announce it. After all, if it's true, they'll likely do the same around the next expansions, making HotS slightly Z-fav, and LotV slightly P-fav. Future will tell. It's still interesting to play ladder games with races which are not the most favored, and the difference is not ultimately decisive. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
Tvs P and toss cant do anything vs good terran Pvs Z and zerg can own protoss with infestors + zerlging speed + mobility overall , collossi been weak to air doesnt help either . i can say whatever i want but tournament statistics favor zerg overall then terrans with protoss been last by far imo. Ps in the storngest tournament so far , as most will know , zerg dominated with protoss been eiminated from r016 , that clearly points something | ||
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moon`
United States372 Posts
2. Fairly balanced 3. Fairly balanced 4. ZvP | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
WhiteRa already expressed his concern about critical mass of marauders + medivacs vs protoss. No one would say TvP is P favored, yet some people say T is favored. I don't know how those that believe everything is balanced and bash on people for thinking things are not there yet, don't get suspicious reading these opinions. What more do they want? Mathematical proof that X race or XvY matchup is imbalanced? That's not going to happen. Imbalances aren't as obvious now as they were, so people can't ask "give me a very hard to beat strat" or for proofs. If someone would be able to prove something like this they should instead be using their great brain for predicting natural disasters or finding the Higgs Boson. The difference in imbalance should, presently, be less than 5-10% between races. At this time polls like this, and opinions of progamers, as well as statistics is what we have to look for. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
But it just feel really stupid. Terran feel retarded to fight. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
cool demolished maka - who favored mech - in the world champion with fastlings , infestors and banelings drops mostly like 4-1 etc. Toss on the other hand seem to underperform vs both zerg and terran so far in the highest of rnaks , obviously in under pro status will be more equally and esp in lower tiers since protoss is easier to newbies. i think the big problem in tvs p lies that terran can access early upgrades like steam and siege mode - tier 1 srsly ? plus been really cheap compare to protoss and then unit imbalances. Theres no logic for protoss to require for a simple charge tech 2 + ridiculus amounts of gas whereas terran get steam in the first minute of gameplay with 100-100. Aslo concussive sells 50/50 is like a free upgrade. toss pays for charge almost the same amount that terran pays to get steam + siege mode + sells. Add the storm upgrade ( which the best counter vs terran ) and its not even fun. also steam helps both marauders and marines whereas charge only zealots. For protoss to have comparable upgrades to stalkers and zealots needs to pay 400/400 vs 250/250 for steam , siege mode and sells. add the higher tech which requires more buildings for toss than terran and the time to build and by that time terran is already in toss base. No one would say TvP is P favored, yet some people say T is favored. I don't know how those that believe everything is balanced and bash on people for thinking things are not there yet, don't get suspicious reading these opinion you mean yet peeps say P is favored vs T , i assume | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
I think no overkill tanks ruin every match-up. Z masssssssssssssssssss Mutas > P, otherwise Z=P I've felt this way all throughout the beta. If Z can reach a critical number of Mutas, it doesn't seem to matter what the Protoss does about it, they just can't stop the harass and eventual death of their base. When properly micro'd (aka moved away from blinking Stalkers), Mutas are the biggest headache of all. Guess I should add 'In My Opinion' | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
and Mutas can't stand a front fight. What i think make ZvP hard for P is speedlings on wide open map ( like desert oasis ) | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
On July 14 2010 14:51 Turbo.Tactics wrote: So just because I am not playing the game on the so called "prolvl" my observations are meaningless? Why do we even have threads with balance discussions then? You can have all the balance discussions you want, no problem there. But in the grand scheme of things this game is not (or at least should not) be balanced around diamond league play in general. It should be balanced on the pro level. There's one simple reason for this. If it's balanced on the pro level, then any perceived balance issues in lower level play are because of lack of skill, not balance. Lack of skill can be overcome with practice. Balance issues are harder to overcome for all skill levels. | ||
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