EPTI dont believe that SC2 needs to have an easier UI to become popular. Im glad it does have an easier UI, but i dont think it really matters. Noobs that dont like to force themselves to be competitive will never love this type of game. The proof of this is the beta forums. You can go there at any time of the day and see noobs in every phase of Starcraft laddering mentality. Theres the guy who thinks everything is cheap and too rush oriented. Theres the guy who thinks ______ unit is overpowered because he lost to it. Theres the guy who is "quitting" because the game is "stupid". And many more. These are just the different phases people go through when they find something like SC that they thought they would be the best at, and are finding out they arent even near the best at. Maybe not even great at. And it bothers them so they blame the game and make long posts about defining "strategy" and what it should and shouldnt be. But ultimately each one of those people will have to decide if the game is something that is compelling enough to stick with. For those who cant move 12 SCBW Dragoons down a ramp without whining about "broken UI" there isnt much hope. Because if its not that, its something else. Now its "i cant click on the UI to chrono boost? this game sucks and its not about strategy its about clicks". Those types of people will never get over any interface no matter how easy, because their opponents will always be pushing them to have to deal with the limitations of multitasking and fast clicks. Basically what im saying is, fast paced RTS is not for everyone. And people who dont like it will leave the genre one way or another. Thats not saying its better to make the UI so hard that only 100 guys in the world can play it. Its just that you either dig the atmosphere of a fast competitive game or you dont. People with that "strategy is the only thing that should matter" mentality will always be upset because they are coming to the table with demands from the first moment they fire up the game. No one can win all the time. And people who lose either fall in love with the atmosphere of self improving and effort or they find an easier game. Starcraft and Starcraft 2 will always be a niche. But i think SCBW has shown that it can be an extremely vibrant one for those who value the experience that niche provides.
OSL prelims + Hwanni interview - Page 19
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
I dont believe that SC2 needs to have an easier UI to become popular. Im glad it does have an easier UI, but i dont think it really matters. Noobs that dont like to force themselves to be competitive will never love this type of game. The proof of this is the beta forums. You can go there at any time of the day and see noobs in every phase of Starcraft laddering mentality. Theres the guy who thinks everything is cheap and too rush oriented. Theres the guy who thinks ______ unit is overpowered because he lost to it. Theres the guy who is "quitting" because the game is "stupid". And many more. These are just the different phases people go through when they find something like SC that they thought they would be the best at, and are finding out they arent even near the best at. Maybe not even great at. And it bothers them so they blame the game and make long posts about defining "strategy" and what it should and shouldnt be. But ultimately each one of those people will have to decide if the game is something that is compelling enough to stick with. For those who cant move 12 SCBW Dragoons down a ramp without whining about "broken UI" there isnt much hope. Because if its not that, its something else. Now its "i cant click on the UI to chrono boost? this game sucks and its not about strategy its about clicks". Those types of people will never get over any interface no matter how easy, because their opponents will always be pushing them to have to deal with the limitations of multitasking and fast clicks. Basically what im saying is, fast paced RTS is not for everyone. And people who dont like it will leave the genre one way or another. Thats not saying its better to make the UI so hard that only 100 guys in the world can play it. Its just that you either dig the atmosphere of a fast competitive game or you dont. People with that "strategy is the only thing that should matter" mentality will always be upset because they are coming to the table with demands from the first moment they fire up the game. No one can win all the time. And people who lose either fall in love with the atmosphere of self improving and effort or they find an easier game. Starcraft and Starcraft 2 will always be a niche. But i think SCBW has shown that it can be an extremely vibrant one for those who value the experience that niche provides. | ||
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Kfish
Chile282 Posts
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Mojawi)SoJu
Korea (South)259 Posts
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ThatsNoMoon
Mexico344 Posts
As for the people complaining: calm the fuck down. Title of the thread was corrected, Artosis just wanted to contribute to the community by giving us an awesome interview. | ||
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immacolate
Serbia199 Posts
kudos to the players involved (even though idra is such a spoiled brat with that bm no gg exit), they played as good as sc2 beta allowed them, but as a spectator I would only wish to switch channel and watch fashion tv or something, it is much more exciting. after the novelty of shiny units and their "cool abilities" ran out, there is simply nothing for me to see in sc2, and no balance changes or additional units in expansions will change the fact that this game does not have visual or gameplay qualities to become a succesful sport. good luck sc2 marks, you are going to need it to make any casual viewers to spend their time to watch this. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh STOP MAKING COMPARISONS THAT ARE BLATANTLY UNFAIR sick of hearing shit like "i prefer sc1 to sc2". you're comparing a FINAL product to something that hasn't even been released. for god sakes, give it time before being so god damn judgemental. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On June 13 2010 14:34 Artosis wrote: im giving you guys sick inside points of view, stuff you cant get any other way. i didnt mislead at all. I appreciate the interview. I don't appreciate how you framed the information to act as if the interview answered a question that it didn't. And you only need to look at the posts in this thread to see that you did mislead people. On June 13 2010 14:34 Artosis wrote: i said it MIGHT BE, which hwanni echo'd in the interview. You started off with "Yesterday was, perhaps, the last OSL qualification ever," and then, still in that context, quoted "OSL will probably switch over to SC2" (which was actually said by Hwanni in a completely different context). That is much different from just saying "this might be the last one"; that is twisting the text of the interview to suggest an answer that wasn't given. On June 13 2010 14:34 Artosis wrote: someone ban the retards please. Lol, that's mature. But whatever, I'm done with this. No point in just continuing to point out the problem if Artosis is just going to flame and deny what's blatantly there. | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
I cant stand watching BW and i love watching sc2 <3 And sc2 is only in beta when it will be done it will be even better. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
but its very clear what hwanni thinks: - the osl will probably not go on for a long time with bw. - he sees a new chance in sc2 the pity is: we dont know why hwanni has these opinions. Artosis should have asked more in this direction IMO: why do you think that the osl will switch at a given time? is it because of sc2 or because ppl lose interest in bw generally? etc. | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
On June 14 2010 01:34 clickrush wrote: but its very clear what hwanni thinks: - the osl will probably not go on for a long time with bw. - he sees a new chance in sc2 if it would be clear what he's thinking about OSL this thread would have a lot more pages than 19 only | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On June 14 2010 01:37 wiesel wrote: if it would be clear what he's thinking this thread would have a lot more pages than 19 only as I said thats because people are overly defensive. he clearly said those things. the problem is that Artosis did not ask WHY he has those opinions. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
as I said thats because people are overly defensive what?.. why would people be defensive when bw switch to sc2 | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On June 14 2010 01:21 matjlav wrote: I appreciate the interview. I don't appreciate how you framed the information to act as if the interview answered a question that it didn't. And you only need to look at the posts in this thread to see that you did mislead people. You started off with "Yesterday was, perhaps, the last OSL qualification ever," and then, still in that context, quoted "OSL will probably switch over to SC2" (which was actually said by Hwanni in a completely different context). That is much different from just saying "this might be the last one"; that is twisting the text of the interview to suggest an answer that wasn't given. Lol, that's mature. But whatever, I'm done with this. No point in just continuing to point out the problem if Artosis is just going to flame and deny what's blatantly there. shut up, hwanni did say it might be the last season of sc1, and that he thought it would probably switch eventually. of course artosis focused on the possible sc1->sc2 switch, thats all everyone is talking about right now and you should be happy to be getting information from one of the people whos actually part of the organizations making the decisions. | ||
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immacolate
Serbia199 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On June 13 2010 23:32 immacolate wrote: I just took some time to watch those bo7 finals between idra and whitera and it has to be april the 1st for weeks now, or some kind of candid camera, because those games were just one huge monumental joke. kudos to the players involved (even though idra is such a spoiled brat with that bm no gg exit), they played as good as sc2 beta allowed them, but as a spectator I would only wish to switch channel and watch fashion tv or something, it is much more exciting. after the novelty of shiny units and their "cool abilities" ran out, there is simply nothing for me to see in sc2, and no balance changes or additional units in expansions will change the fact that this game does not have visual or gameplay qualities to become a succesful sport. good luck sc2 marks, you are going to need it to make any casual viewers to spend their time to watch this. Try watching some games from other players. Idra's playstyle doesn't make for explosive showmatches, he tends to go for a macro game. Check out Sen vs TLO game 3 round 3 from the Europe vs Asia starleague, it's the last vod here at the bottom of this page: http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/12027-vods-from-eu-vs-asia-week-2-day-1 | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On June 14 2010 01:45 IdrA wrote: shut up, hwanni did say it might be the last season of sc1, and that he thought it would probably switch eventually. of course artosis focused on the possible sc1->sc2 switch, thats all everyone is talking about right now and you should be happy to be getting information from one of the people whos actually part of the organizations making the decisions. finaly somebody who knows about things making clear statements | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
Hwanni: "i dont think it will end at all" | ||
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