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On June 14 2010 15:59 roymarthyup wrote:
after 10 years of BW gamebreaking strategies are still coming out . 14cc went from being a "retard build flash shouldnt have used. instant death if you ever use that build. crap build" to being "the most overpowered build against zerg. unbeatable. dayum how do you stop it" in one week. i may be wrong but i cant see sc2 gameplay ever reaching that level of diverse interesting metagame ever...
that has nothing to do with the game, its the fan's perception, 14 cc is exactly what it always was, a very risky build with huge benefits.
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In 10 years time I think SC2 will have definitley evolved further than BW ever did.
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I'm not quite sure about my opinion on the switch from bw to sc2, but I will say that I am sure Blizzard will allow lan. If nothing else, they would probably just restrict it to big tournaments like OSL. They wouldn't throw away all the money that big tournaments would get for them.
Edit: I would also like to point out the fact that, the average TL poster is probably going to be pretty bias in favor of BW, yet people seem to think anyone in favor of sc2 is the bias one. Still unsure if I'm happy or not though, will have to wait and see how it turns out.
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Interesting, I think its risky to change over this early. Im sure theyve got people watching the beta closely, but the game isnt even out yet and to replace a stable 10 yr game with it is hasty. Could pay off though, if sc2 turns out great (spectator esport) and they jumped on it first.
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On June 14 2010 14:41 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 23:53 Mellotron wrote:
I personally think that the worst thing about Starcraft 2 so far is all the new people that it has brought who have littered decent sites like TL etc Why complain about further growth of a community like TL? Weren't those graphs posted that showed the amount of posts per day and users actively online on average before and after beta, etc.? You have 60 posts and joined the TL community 2-3 months ago and your'e complaining that the worst thing about this game is that people like you and thousands of others are adding on to the community?
Ive been reading this site since Elky was still a SC player.
And yes, i personally do not really care for most of the new posters making threads for every little thought they have. I dont consider 20 topics being created every hour that arent interesting to read or at all informative drowning out actual news/decent discussions to be "further growth".
Sure, there are new people who are doing alot of good things and following the rules. They are making the site better. But there is alot of trash and it makes the site harder to navigate and it can be a bummer sometimes to have to read bad posts or topics just to get at the good stuff.
But hey, this is what happens when a new game comes out. It was expected, and nothing can really be done about it. It is what it is. I said what i said about new people being the worst part because i do think it is the worst part of SC2. Not the macro changes, or the graphics being 3d, or the racial imbalance or whatever. All those things are less obnoxious to me than all the "cool story bro" and "BW IS 10 YEARS OLD GET OVER IT LOL" posts.
My comment about new people is not an insult to their newness. There is nothing wrong with being new.
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This news is really depressing...
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On June 12 2010 12:54 blade55555 wrote:
Wow that is awesome :D
How is this awesome?
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On June 14 2010 17:01 endaskus wrote:
Edit: I would also like to point out the fact that, the average TL poster is probably going to be pretty bias in favor of BW, yet people seem to think anyone in favor of sc2 is the bias one. Still unsure if I'm happy or not though, will have to wait and see how it turns out.
Reason for that is that most sc2 player arent played sc1 that much or att all and dont belong to community like TL
Btw i think that saddest thing about sc1/sc2 is that the reason what makes sc1 better will make new ppl play sc2..(I mean skill lvl what sc1 requires..)
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I don't see why people think this is bad news. At least OSL isn't ending. If it goes on to Starcraft 2, that's not a bad thing. Honestly, we don't know much about Starcraft 2 right now in terms of depth. The best strategies that exist right now will probably be considered extremely crude in just a year. Sure, certain aspects of the game are easier thanks to improved control groups, hotkeys, automining, pathing, AI, etc. But that doesn't mean the game is going to be easier. It means that players will find something new to do with their attention. Because macro is easier, they'll probably start pulling off amazing micro that just wasn't possible in BW.
That's my opinion, anyway. I think SC2 can replace BW (though I'm still incredibly sad to see BW go)
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YEAH! Go SC2!! I can't wait to see Stork playing this game. Lower APM demands means more WoW levelling and One Piece watching for Stork!
The happier the Dino, the better he'll play! And WoW, anime, and food are all the Dino needs to STOMP!
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fuckkkk sc22222 i love bw more..
osl and bw are synonymous
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brb going to go kill myself, thanks Artosis
;_;
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This doesn't quite feel right... How unfortunate.
As great as my anticipation for the next evolution of Starcraft, the realities of Activision provide ample reasons for distress.
OSL can continue, however. Sc2 will be worked on by Blizzard for the next few years at the least, they'll get it right.
Long live the players, the community, the fans. Long live Broodwar.
ps: starcraft 2 professional edition?? hmm,
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Thanks Artosis.
I absolutely love watching sc1 tournaments and I loved the sc2 beta tournaments, I think sc2 has a nice future in competitive gaming.
One thing I do not understand is why some people are sayin that sc2 is not "spectator" game ?
p.s.: Artosis If people are dumb enough to misunderstand and misinterpret something clear like your OP, well they don't deserve further explanation. btw personally I think TL staff should enforce their forum rules, there is too much unjustified hate and disrespect around there.
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will b interesting to see what happens when the time comes, but for now im still happy to sc top teir starcraft
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Here's to the success of Pro-SC2! 
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It is sad that BW won't last forever but, unfortunately, nothing will. So we have to hope for the best and move on.
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On June 12 2010 12:52 p4NDemik wrote:Oh man. I did not think the end of BW would come this soon. 
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I wished Flash will still dominate in Starcraft 2. His Flash Era must come .
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I don't think Artosis was right about saying Effort cheaped out Flash. Effort realised that Flash plays a greedy Mech Game that has him vulnerable at the beginning and unstoppable near the end. I think it this was a great way to deal with it and believe it is a good strategy against this style in the Future. If Flash is so good he should have adapted his build to compensate for Efforts change in Strategy. In the last 3 games Effort played pretty similarly.
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