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Blizzard is the one trying to change the system that everyone already likes. i dont know how anyone can take the side of blizzard in the matter. Blizzard showed no interest in Esports and supporting them UNTIL they saw the success and $$ in it.
The options as i see them:
Kespa stays strong: Korea boycotts SC2 and blizzard loses millions
Blizzard stays strong: We don't get to see the Pro's play SC2 and we risk SC2 esports never taking off and becoming successful. Blizzard more than likely will lose $$ attempting to copy Kespa's model.
Kespa gives in: Blizzard takes over, Kespa falls out of existance, we PRAY that blizzard can get it right.
or else well see a Kespa 2.0 in a couple years after Blizzard lets it die.
Blizzard gives in: Blizzard still makes money on sales, still gets their game's popularity sky-rocketed thanks to e-sports, Loses $$ from not controlling and manipulating e-sports.
I guess we'll still have SC:BW =).
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On March 04 2010 04:41 Drunken.Jedi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 03:41 Go0g3n wrote:
4. Blizzard didn't put much effort into supporting StarCraft. Every single patch was late, it took 3 years and 13 patches to more or less balance the game. Blizzard never supported or updated Battle.net. After canceling 2nd expantions for StarCraft and Diablo they moved on to B.net 1.5 with War3 and later to WoW. KeSPA picked up StarCraft support where Blizzard left with paid professional mapmakers, advanced broadcasting features and so on.
Why is it that everyone seems to hold Blizzard to such a ridiculously high standard? How many other developers release patches for 3 year old games? How many developers still maintain an online service for a twelve year old game? By any reasonable standards, Blizzard's support for Starcraft was exceptionally good. However, it is of course true that a large part of Starcraft's huge success is due to the Korean community, of which Kespa is a very important part.
This is no valuable argument, are you still connecting bnet? It's been years that blizzard didn't do anything in order to improve online gaming on bw. Keeping server ON is not really a huge cost for them regarding the money they're making. All great progress has been made by the community. It's been ages that Blizzard left bw. They even couldn't afford descent patch without terrible bug. (1.16.0??) I don't have that much respect for Blizzard, all they are doing is economic warfare.
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What about the possibility that blizzard takes over, brings in KeSpa as a supporting role in running the tournaments and ushers in a new generation of E-sports to the rest of the world?
They've pulled off crazier things.
Also, how does Korea boycott SC2 exactly? Ban the game from entering the markets? Won't the populous just have it shipped in from somewhere else? We are talking about sales right?
Edit - Theyre Activision-Blizzard now, I'm sure they have the financial backing to buy KeSPa if theres a significant amount of profit that can be made from it. Its a business, they'll do what whatever it takes to turn a profit and Blizzards track record has been flawless so far.
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Russian Federation410 Posts
A decent compromise is needed. Blizzard aren't in it only for StarCraft II, but also Diablo III, WoW expansions and their unannounced MMORPG, as well as two more StarCraft II expansions and all the 'monetary' services their united Battle.net 2.0 platform will be developing and offering.
They may even need to forget about most of the royalties and such, just to make sure that their logo presents at every single event or broadcast or related merchandise. KeSPA and future success in Korea will also be Blizzard's ticket to China - the most promising and fastest growing market right now, but they're on the rocks there as well.
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On March 03 2010 23:09 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I don't know if Blizzard is in it for the money or not.
I am sure 99.999% of the ppl in this forum know the answer to this question
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On March 04 2010 04:59 mmdmmd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2010 23:09 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I don't know if Blizzard is in it for the money or not. I am sure 99.999% of the ppl in this forum know the answer to this question
it takes blizzard 12 years to get sc2 in beta. they never really cared about starcraft except for the money it could make them and the only way for them to make that money was to create SC2 and get Korea to pay them.
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On March 04 2010 04:41 paulinepain wrote:
Isn't that the government that threaten blizzard to not sell sc2 in korea if ever they didn't acknowledge KesPa?
I believe i read something about their government threatening to put a min.18 year old rating on it. Corruption at its finest.
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On March 04 2010 05:04 geegee1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:59 mmdmmd wrote:On March 03 2010 23:09 Kyo Yuy wrote:
I don't know if Blizzard is in it for the money or not. I am sure 99.999% of the ppl in this forum know the answer to this question it takes blizzard 12 years to get sc2 in beta. they never really cared about starcraft except for the money it could make them and the only way for them to make that money was to create SC2 and get Korea to pay them.
i thinking taking out lan play is a very good example that blizz wants absolute control over sc2 e-sport. You MUST get consent from Blizz before holding tournaments on bnet. And the rules are made by Blizzard and they can change it anytime.
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On March 04 2010 04:50 paulinepain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 04:41 Drunken.Jedi wrote:On March 04 2010 03:41 Go0g3n wrote:
4. Blizzard didn't put much effort into supporting StarCraft. Every single patch was late, it took 3 years and 13 patches to more or less balance the game. Blizzard never supported or updated Battle.net. After canceling 2nd expantions for StarCraft and Diablo they moved on to B.net 1.5 with War3 and later to WoW. KeSPA picked up StarCraft support where Blizzard left with paid professional mapmakers, advanced broadcasting features and so on.
Why is it that everyone seems to hold Blizzard to such a ridiculously high standard? How many other developers release patches for 3 year old games? How many developers still maintain an online service for a twelve year old game? By any reasonable standards, Blizzard's support for Starcraft was exceptionally good. However, it is of course true that a large part of Starcraft's huge success is due to the Korean community, of which Kespa is a very important part. This is no valuable argument, are you still connecting bnet?
What has that got to do with anything? No, I don't play on bnet, but a considerable number of people still do.
It's been years that blizzard didn't do anything in order to improve online gaming on bw. Keeping server ON is not really a huge cost for them regarding the money they're making.
Again, the game is 12 years old. Most companies support their games for a few months after release.
Also, Blizzard isn't exactly raking in the big cash with starcraft. Sure, Starcraft has sold more copies than any other RTS game, but after twelve years pretty much everyone who is interested in Starcraft either already has bought a copy or is using a pirated version. They still sell a few copies nowadays, but the vast majority of the profits (like with every game) was made in the early days of Starcraft and Broodwar when the game was still sold for full price.
All great progress has been made by the community. It's been ages that Blizzard left bw. They even couldn't afford descent patch without terrible bug. (1.16.0??) I don't have that much respect for Blizzard, all they are doing is economic warfare.
Well, it seems you expect Blizzard to be a charitable organisation. They've already done more than pretty much any other game company would have done. They're even still hosting Starcraft tournaments (e.g. Blizzcon). Blizzard really has very little to gain from promoting Stacraft 1.
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On March 04 2010 04:51 nMn wrote:
What about the possibility that blizzard takes over, brings in KeSpa as a supporting role in running the tournaments and ushers in a new generation of E-sports to the rest of the world?
They've pulled off crazier things.
Also, how does Korea boycott SC2 exactly? Ban the game from entering the markets? Won't the populous just have it shipped in from somewhere else? We are talking about sales right?
Edit - Theyre Activision-Blizzard now, I'm sure they have the financial backing to buy KeSPa if theres a significant amount of profit that can be made from it. Its a business, they'll do what whatever it takes to turn a profit and Blizzards track record has been flawless so far.
Korea can BOYCOTT SC2 by not supporting any progaming in it. Yes people can buy and play it, but that is not the business that Korea can make out of it, if it takes the same way as SC 1. Also the Korean SCBW authorities could probably convince many korean gamers to not play competitive SC2 at all. (by not holding any tournaments and stuff)
We will see what happens, I don't really like SC2 right now, but i haven't played it yet, so i will just wait for the actual release and see what happens...
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I find it interesting how self depreciating this community is.
By extension I find it interesting how easily you guys bow to pressure.
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I don't care if it's kespa, blizzard, or another 3rd party company that does it, I just want to see an extremely successful esports scene for SC2. Though preferably with a lack of stupid regulations and broadcasting strangleholds...
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Imagine if there was a company selling for example pool tables for people to play and fool around and somebody thought to make it more serious and make a big tournament and broadcast it and now table company wants a cut because its played on their table..
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United States381 Posts
I'm quite curious what the EULA and TOS on SC2 are.
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On March 04 2010 05:51 iounas wrote:
Imagine if there was a company selling for example pool tables for people to play and fool around and somebody thought to make it more serious and make a big tournament and broadcast it and now table company wants a cut because its played on their table..
This is not the same at all. Blizzard has not only created the game, (the pool table in your argument) but they created the means to play competitively with bnet.
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On March 04 2010 06:26 Card5harko6 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2010 05:51 iounas wrote:
Imagine if there was a company selling for example pool tables for people to play and fool around and somebody thought to make it more serious and make a big tournament and broadcast it and now table company wants a cut because its played on their table.. This is not the same at all. Blizzard has not only created the game, (the pool table in your argument) but they created the means to play competitively with bnet.
Its a product like any other with a set price that you can use how you want.
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But bnet is not just a product that you buy and use on your own. It requires upkeep and work on their end. Bnet is a SERVICE.
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Does SC2 need the SC1 progamers to be entertaining to watch? If they are too slow to switch, new stars will take their place. If SC2 is as entertaining as SC1 to watchm then people will most likely change simply because it's the newer option with better graphics. Sponsors will go where the viewers are.
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If kespa chooses to not be a part of sc2 when its released, sucks for them. There already tons of organizations drooling at the idea of putting on sc2 tournaments. Either kespa ggives up now and agrees to Blizzard's terms, or they do later. Once SC2 is as hugely popular as it is bound to be (hell, even if they somehow ruin the game, there is so much backing that it'll do well), kespa will agree and jump on board. Its obvious kespa is just bluffing. I'm sure blizzard knows this too.
Kespa needs to get used to the idea that they won't be nearly as important in sc2 as they are in sc1.
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