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On September 01 2023 17:09 RKC wrote:
Next season CL format looks interesting. As a chess fan, nice to see football experimenting on Swiss tournament formats. The only reservation I have is that the matches are predetermined. The true spirit and fun part of Swiss is how the matches are being set after every round of results - the top performing teams keep clashing, and comeback runs from teams that fall down the standings early on. But maybe CL can gradually pivot to a pure Swiss format in the next 4-5 years.
There is just too much logistics involved for a swiss format. Traveling, stadiums, tickets, merchandise. Too much for a 2 week notice where to play next
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Theoretically, you could even make a 'Swiss-like' tournament, where home and away teams are fixed per round, so teams would know their calendar, just not their opponent. It would make match-making a little more difficult, and all matches would be on the same day, not something sponsors would like.
But I don't think you can call a format where all matches are determined from the start 'Swiss', really. It's just a full league with a lot of the matches left out, depending on seeding.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On September 01 2023 17:09 RKC wrote:
Next season CL format looks interesting. As a chess fan, nice to see football experimenting on Swiss tournament formats. The only reservation I have is that the matches are predetermined. The true spirit and fun part of Swiss is how the matches are being set after every round of results - the top performing teams keep clashing, and comeback runs from teams that fall down the standings early on. But maybe CL can gradually pivot to a pure Swiss format in the next 4-5 years.
100% agree on swiss format, that makes everything way more fun, bigger games etc and agree on the format they using so far is silly way, give me the winners vs winners and losers vs losers type system, that would be great too.
HOWEVER, the main issue and problem is it is way too many teams and games going to be made because of it, resulting in a hugely packed schedule because of this
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Norway28894 Posts
Always liked playing swiss format the most for bw tourneys.
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Also, top 24/36 teams qualifying for playoffs lessen the stakes of every game. I can imagine top teams resting players and going easy until the advanced rounds. Getting into top 8 and being saved another round playoff matches is a worthy goal, but still not worth risking player injury and fatigue by going all out for all 8 matches.
What would be ideal is just a straight top 16 playoff, or even more brutal, a top 12 (top 4 qualified for QF, top 5-12 battle out an extra round of playoff).
But of course, all UEFA cares is more games = more money. So a purer Swiss format won't be happening realistically.
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Sangare is a huge signing holy shit!
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Transfermarkt rates Cole Palmer at €18m while Chelsea reportedly paid €47m. I guess there's homegrown tax and young prospects are always tricky to evaluate, but you rarely see such a big difference between the transfermarkt market value and the actual transfer sum.
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I kinda think chelsea might go to huge trouble in 5-10 years of time. Spending so kuch koney they wont have in the future because of no champions league
Spurs got a better coach and rebuild with less funds and they wont get top4. Who knows where chelsea ends up at
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lol, Greenwood to Getafe. One of the few clubs where contracting a wife beater is good for their image. Lazio would've been my first choice though!
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On September 02 2023 14:58 Bacillus wrote:
Transfermarkt rates Cole Palmer at €18m while Chelsea reportedly paid €47m. I guess there's homegrown tax and young prospects are always tricky to evaluate, but you rarely see such a big difference between the transfermarkt market value and the actual transfer sum.
Why would city sell him?
Home grown, decent player with potential, already has first team experience. I'm puzzled.
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Northern Ireland27360 Posts
On September 02 2023 21:05 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2023 14:58 Bacillus wrote:
Transfermarkt rates Cole Palmer at €18m while Chelsea reportedly paid €47m. I guess there's homegrown tax and young prospects are always tricky to evaluate, but you rarely see such a big difference between the transfermarkt market value and the actual transfer sum. Why would city sell him? Home grown, decent player with potential, already has first team experience. I'm puzzled.
Maybe he wanted to go? Although I too was puzzled at that one for sure. He looks a good player and is well integrated into Pep’s style, and is home-grown too which is a nice bonus. Plus I’m not sure he’s any more likely to force his way into Chelsea’s still quite bloated squad than he is at City, with their more quality over quantity approach.
On September 02 2023 14:58 Bacillus wrote:
Transfermarkt rates Cole Palmer at €18m while Chelsea reportedly paid €47m. I guess there's homegrown tax and young prospects are always tricky to evaluate, but you rarely see such a big difference between the transfermarkt market value and the actual transfer sum.
18 seems extremely low, I can only assume they hadn’t updated him in a while, seeing him as unlikely to move?
I mean 30-40 seems to be the going rate for bang average/decent Prem clubs, and he’s English as well as being young and City had no pressing financial need to sell either.
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On September 02 2023 17:10 sharkie wrote:
I kinda think chelsea might go to huge trouble in 5-10 years of time. Spending so kuch koney they wont have in the future because of no champions league
Spurs got a better coach and rebuild with less funds and they wont get top4. Who knows where chelsea ends up at
I wouldn’t sleep on Chelsea, they’ve looked pretty good so far and as I said at the time, having such a bloated squad of young talent may actually suit Pochettino more than a ready-made squad full of experienced winners. He did turn Spurs into contenders for big prizes at the end of the day, for the first time in decades. Big Ange has started well which is nice to see as a neutral and Spurs finally aren’t playing shit football, but I wouldn’t say he’s proven to be a better coach than Poch at this level yet.
Though I do dislike the ever-increasing expansion of power of the EPL versus other European leagues, the fact does remain that you’ve got 6/7 clubs that if they qualified would be very competitive in the Champions League, but shooting for 4 spots. 5 perhaps if a club wins it while outside the top 4, if those are still the rules.
So yeah I’d worry about Chelsea’s longer-term financial health if they’re banking on consistent CL qualification. Personally I’m not sure they are, it’s a decent wedge of cash but I reckon they’re counting on the potential much bigger revenue growth that will come potentially from the next TV deal being renegotiated and from just generally growing their reach and merch worldwide.
I think at some point the model is going to have to change to facilitate the new media landscape. Sky pay a bloody fortune for the rights over here, and a one-time rolling subscription and don’t even show every match, there’d clearly be demand for alternative packages and content in streaming/VoD form to watch say, every club’s matches or what have you.
Which still puts them in an awkward spot if those things don’t happen
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On September 02 2023 13:23 RKC wrote:
Also, top 24/36 teams qualifying for playoffs lessen the stakes of every game. I can imagine top teams resting players and going easy until the advanced rounds. Getting into top 8 and being saved another round playoff matches is a worthy goal, but still not worth risking player injury and fatigue by going all out for all 8 matches.
What would be ideal is just a straight top 16 playoff, or even more brutal, a top 12 (top 4 qualified for QF, top 5-12 battle out an extra round of playoff).
But of course, all UEFA cares is more games = more money. So a purer Swiss format won't be happening realistically.
Yes the format itself is clashing with the rationale for the format, which is more matches and less volatility in terms of the big lucrative teams getting knocked out early.
Hence it’s very watered-down and doesn’t seek to eliminate even half the field from the competition.
A Swiss format could be really cool, but this won’t be. It’ll just further exacerbate the existing problems of too many non-impactful matches via big mismatches and dead rubbers IMO
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poch is trying his hard to speedrun himself to be sacked i swear. The fuck he doing, we sign 1000 midfielders and attackers and plays 3 CB constantly??? Spent whole pre season playing 4-2-3-1 to play first 5 games of his life that matter with 3-5-2 i mean wtf is going on.
We are playing forrest at home, with 3 CBs.....we are 1-0 down in 80th minute with 3 fucking cbs on the pitch????? This not even addressing the fact he playing Colwill as left back and chilwell gets fucking subbed (but also starts him left wing??????????)
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Norway28894 Posts
Haaland with his 19th career hat trick. 6 players with careers in Europe with more: Ronaldo, Messi , lewandowski, suarez, neymar and zlatan. And he will pass zlatan and neymar very soon.
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My self imposed challenge to not use Haaland is already backfiring spectacularly.
Neverkusen are off to a good start this season, 3 for 3
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On September 03 2023 01:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Haaland with his 19th career hat trick. 6 players with careers in Europe with more: Ronaldo, Messi , lewandowski, suarez, neymar and zlatan. And he will pass zlatan and neymar very soon.
It's insane. Him and Mbappe are so far ahead of any other player. They're once in a generation talents.
On September 02 2023 21:49 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2023 13:23 RKC wrote:
Also, top 24/36 teams qualifying for playoffs lessen the stakes of every game. I can imagine top teams resting players and going easy until the advanced rounds. Getting into top 8 and being saved another round playoff matches is a worthy goal, but still not worth risking player injury and fatigue by going all out for all 8 matches.
What would be ideal is just a straight top 16 playoff, or even more brutal, a top 12 (top 4 qualified for QF, top 5-12 battle out an extra round of playoff).
But of course, all UEFA cares is more games = more money. So a purer Swiss format won't be happening realistically. Yes the format itself is clashing with the rationale for the format, which is more matches and less volatility in terms of the big lucrative teams getting knocked out early. Hence it’s very watered-down and doesn’t seek to eliminate even half the field from the competition. A Swiss format could be really cool, but this won’t be. It’ll just further exacerbate the existing problems of too many non-impactful matches via big mismatches and dead rubbers IMO
As far as I know every match will be important since a higher ranking means you'll play a lower ranked team the next round. Personally I don't get the negativity around the new format. Seems better than group stages and more matches was what the clubs wanted so kind of inevitable.
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On September 03 2023 01:06 Pandemona wrote:
Poch is trying his hard to speedrun himself to be sacked i swear. The fuck he doing, we sign 1000 midfielders and attackers and plays 3 CB constantly??? Spent whole pre season playing 4-2-3-1 to play first 5 games of his life that matter with 3-5-2 i mean wtf is going on.
We are playing forrest at home, with 3 CBs.....we are 1-0 down in 80th minute with 3 fucking cbs on the pitch????? This not even addressing the fact he playing Colwill as left back and chilwell gets fucking subbed (but also starts him left wing??????????)
Ryan Yates was an absolute beast today. He never gets enough credit for what he does. Every opponent and opposition fan hates him cos he takes no prisoners and runs around the place like rambo.
Joe Worrall was playing just days after his uncle (a policeman) was killed by a train while trying to save someone from suicide. He put in an insane defensive performance, winning absolutely everything.
Chelsea were very poor though.
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On September 03 2023 01:06 Pandemona wrote:
Poch is trying his hard to speedrun himself to be sacked i swear. The fuck he doing, we sign 1000 midfielders and attackers and plays 3 CB constantly??? Spent whole pre season playing 4-2-3-1 to play first 5 games of his life that matter with 3-5-2 i mean wtf is going on.
We are playing forrest at home, with 3 CBs.....we are 1-0 down in 80th minute with 3 fucking cbs on the pitch????? This not even addressing the fact he playing Colwill as left back and chilwell gets fucking subbed (but also starts him left wing??????????)
although lampard has a very poor managerial record, if tuchel/potter/lampard/poch are all failing in quick succession, you gotta stop blaming the manager. boehly is an absolute clown
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On September 02 2023 21:43 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2023 17:10 sharkie wrote:
I kinda think chelsea might go to huge trouble in 5-10 years of time. Spending so kuch koney they wont have in the future because of no champions league
Spurs got a better coach and rebuild with less funds and they wont get top4. Who knows where chelsea ends up at I wouldn’t sleep on Chelsea, they’ve looked pretty good so far and as I said at the time, having such a bloated squad of young talent may actually suit Pochettino more than a ready-made squad full of experienced winners. He did turn Spurs into contenders for big prizes at the end of the day, for the first time in decades. Big Ange has started well which is nice to see as a neutral and Spurs finally aren’t playing shit football, but I wouldn’t say he’s proven to be a better coach than Poch at this level yet. Though I do dislike the ever-increasing expansion of power of the EPL versus other European leagues, the fact does remain that you’ve got 6/7 clubs that if they qualified would be very competitive in the Champions League, but shooting for 4 spots. 5 perhaps if a club wins it while outside the top 4, if those are still the rules. So yeah I’d worry about Chelsea’s longer-term financial health if they’re banking on consistent CL qualification. Personally I’m not sure they are, it’s a decent wedge of cash but I reckon they’re counting on the potential much bigger revenue growth that will come potentially from the next TV deal being renegotiated and from just generally growing their reach and merch worldwide. I think at some point the model is going to have to change to facilitate the new media landscape. Sky pay a bloody fortune for the rights over here, and a one-time rolling subscription and don’t even show every match, there’d clearly be demand for alternative packages and content in streaming/VoD form to watch say, every club’s matches or what have you. Which still puts them in an awkward spot if those things don’t happen
I think you have been watching a different Chelsea :s
They wont be nowhere near Europe qualification
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