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On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
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Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too. How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz. Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK. Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations. Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting. By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons. There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit. Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway. Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money. Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke. And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway. But thats not all you said originally additionally On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too. Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !) Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...). You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year... So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is. You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar.
The same way the City Football Group is privately owned.
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Mustafi seems to be going to Inter for 4m pounds + an obligatory (?) Chance to buy for 20-23m pounds more, they are now losing their probably only top central back
Meanwhile at Arsenal office
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On August 30 2017 05:04 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
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How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.
Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK. Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations. Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting. By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons. There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit. Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway. Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money. Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke. And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway. But thats not all you said originally additionally On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too. Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !) Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...). You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year... So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is. You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar. The same way the City Football Group is privately owned.
Not really sure what you are implying here. Mostly I just think you are being salty because you are wrong. Being connected is not the same as being something.
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On August 30 2017 05:42 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:04 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
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Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.
Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.
By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons. There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit. Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway. Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money. Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke. And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway. But thats not all you said originally additionally On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too. Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !) Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...). You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year... So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is. You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar. The same way the City Football Group is privately owned. Not really sure what you are implying here. Mostly I just think you are being salty because you are wrong. Being connected is not the same as being something.
He is the emir's puppet, that is what I'm "implying". Basically privately owned company, unoficially owned and funded by the state. At some point that guy was even part of the government.
Not only that, PSG received 150 million euro as a "sponsorship" from the Qatar Tourism Authority which is part of the governent of Qatar.
"salty because I'm being wrong"... Do you really think that I didn't know that this company is "officially" privately owned ? Lol.
The scheme is obvious, but the pockets of the people responsible in UEFA are too heavy now and they will not do anything. By the way, where is the 2022 World cup ? Oh, isn't it Qatar ? Interesting !
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On August 30 2017 06:52 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:42 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 05:04 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:
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By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.
There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.
Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money. Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke. And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway. But thats not all you said originally additionally On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too. Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !) Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...). You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year... So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is. You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar. The same way the City Football Group is privately owned. Not really sure what you are implying here. Mostly I just think you are being salty because you are wrong. Being connected is not the same as being something. He is the emir's puppet, that is what I'm "implying". Basically privately owned company, unoficially owned and funded by the state. At some point that guy was even part of the government. Not only that, PSG received 150 million euro as a "sponsorship" from the Qatar Tourism Authority which is basically part of the governent of Qatar. "salty because I'm being wrong"... Do you really think that I didn't know that this company is "officially" privately owned ? Lol. The scheme is obvious, but the pockets of the people responsible in UEFA are too heavy now and they will not do anything. By the way, where is the 2022 World cup ? Oh, isn't it Qatar ? Interesting !
There are numerous schemes of this nature, where you can make the claim that things are "unofficially" owned by one thing or the other. The only thing unique about Arab states is that the states themselves are very small and run like privately owned enterprises. The shiekhs and Emirs basically own the country.
If you knew about it, you had an awfully hard time showing it so I wont really acknowledge fault for you making misleading statements.. In any case I gave you an aside to that point, your whining was initially wrong/misleading and completely self-serving. You can keep clutching at things to back up your point but the bottom line is they are only taking a culture that was created at the turn of the century has existed forever and they are simply taking it to the next level.
In many ways as disturbing as it is people warned about it forever as it was only logical someone with deep enough pockets would get into it. Sport and football especially have by far the strongest brand outreach its kinda obvious why they would want to throw stupid amounts of money at it even if the return is extremely long term.
Complaining that UEFA is corrupt or FIFA is corrupt is pointless because its not your complaining that matters, its the money. And you know that
The only way I seeing this coming to ahead is actual home fans of teams in top leagues themselves making a stand. People like you and me can only sit here and complain on the internet and the actual fan the one going to the stadium, the Pande's of this world will either benefit from it and wont mind it or he will keep dealing with it till (and if it became untenable). Maybe, maybe at that point some of this will need rethinking but by then it will be too little too late.
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On August 30 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 06:52 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 05:42 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 05:04 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:
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Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money.
Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke.
And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway. But thats not all you said originally additionally On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too. Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !) Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...). You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year... So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is. You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar. The same way the City Football Group is privately owned. Not really sure what you are implying here. Mostly I just think you are being salty because you are wrong. Being connected is not the same as being something. He is the emir's puppet, that is what I'm "implying". Basically privately owned company, unoficially owned and funded by the state. At some point that guy was even part of the government. Not only that, PSG received 150 million euro as a "sponsorship" from the Qatar Tourism Authority which is basically part of the governent of Qatar. "salty because I'm being wrong"... Do you really think that I didn't know that this company is "officially" privately owned ? Lol. The scheme is obvious, but the pockets of the people responsible in UEFA are too heavy now and they will not do anything. By the way, where is the 2022 World cup ? Oh, isn't it Qatar ? Interesting ! There are numerous schemes of this nature, where you can make the claim that things are "unofficially" owned by one thing or the other. The only thing unique about Arab states is that the states themselves are very small and run like privately owned enterprises. The shiekhs and Emirs basically own the country. If you knew about it, you had an awfully hard time showing it so I wont really acknowledge fault for you making misleading statements.. In any case I gave you an aside to that point, your whining was initially wrong/misleading and completely self-serving. You can keep clutching at things to back up your point but the bottom line is they are only taking a culture that was created at the turn of the century has existed forever and they are simply taking it to the next level. In many ways as disturbing as it is people warned about it forever as it was only logical someone with deep enough pockets would get into it. Sport and football especially have by far the strongest brand outreach its kinda obvious why they would want to throw stupid amounts of money at it even if the return is extremely long term. Complaining that UEFA is corrupt or FIFA is corrupt is pointless because its not your complaining that matters, its the money. And you know that The only way I seeing this coming to ahead is actual home fans of teams in top leagues themselves making a stand. People like you and me can only sit here and complain on the internet and the actual fan the one going to the stadium, the Pande's of this world will either benefit from it and wont mind it or he will keep dealing with it till (and if it became untenable). Maybe, maybe at that point some of this will need rethinking but by then it will be too little too late.
I agree that people like Perez and Abramovich created an "infrastructure" that made football great enviorment for people with endless supply of money. I was always in favor of more strict financial rules - salary and transfer caps.
Obviously PSG is using that "infrastructure" to spend their endless supply of money, but that is not the main problem with that team. The problem is that they have access to these money in the first place. To put it bluntly, they should not exist, with their current ownership. They are breaking, not only football, but also european laws.
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Yahoo Sports says Coutinho transfer is sealed. I guess more credible sources should follow soonish if there's any truth to it.
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On August 30 2017 08:54 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 06:52 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 05:42 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 05:04 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:
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And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway.
But thats not all you said originally additionally
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Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !) Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...). You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year... So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is. You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar. The same way the City Football Group is privately owned. Not really sure what you are implying here. Mostly I just think you are being salty because you are wrong. Being connected is not the same as being something. He is the emir's puppet, that is what I'm "implying". Basically privately owned company, unoficially owned and funded by the state. At some point that guy was even part of the government. Not only that, PSG received 150 million euro as a "sponsorship" from the Qatar Tourism Authority which is basically part of the governent of Qatar. "salty because I'm being wrong"... Do you really think that I didn't know that this company is "officially" privately owned ? Lol. The scheme is obvious, but the pockets of the people responsible in UEFA are too heavy now and they will not do anything. By the way, where is the 2022 World cup ? Oh, isn't it Qatar ? Interesting ! There are numerous schemes of this nature, where you can make the claim that things are "unofficially" owned by one thing or the other. The only thing unique about Arab states is that the states themselves are very small and run like privately owned enterprises. The shiekhs and Emirs basically own the country. If you knew about it, you had an awfully hard time showing it so I wont really acknowledge fault for you making misleading statements.. In any case I gave you an aside to that point, your whining was initially wrong/misleading and completely self-serving. You can keep clutching at things to back up your point but the bottom line is they are only taking a culture that was created at the turn of the century has existed forever and they are simply taking it to the next level. In many ways as disturbing as it is people warned about it forever as it was only logical someone with deep enough pockets would get into it. Sport and football especially have by far the strongest brand outreach its kinda obvious why they would want to throw stupid amounts of money at it even if the return is extremely long term. Complaining that UEFA is corrupt or FIFA is corrupt is pointless because its not your complaining that matters, its the money. And you know that The only way I seeing this coming to ahead is actual home fans of teams in top leagues themselves making a stand. People like you and me can only sit here and complain on the internet and the actual fan the one going to the stadium, the Pande's of this world will either benefit from it and wont mind it or he will keep dealing with it till (and if it became untenable). Maybe, maybe at that point some of this will need rethinking but by then it will be too little too late. I agree that people like Perez and Abramovich created an "infrastructure" that made football great enviorment for people with endless supply of money. I was always in favor of more strict financial rules - salary and transfer caps. Obviously PSG is using that "infrastructure" to spend their endless supply of money, but that is not the main problem with that team. The problem is that they have access to these money in the first place. To put it bluntly, they should not exist, with their current ownership. They are breaking, not only football, but also european laws.
You're just salty because PSG has a bigger sugardaddy than Real Madrid. But I see no difference between a Qatari billionaire owner, a Russian billionaire owner or a Spanish billionaire owner. If laws are being broken, I'm sure the gendarmerie will stop PSG and make some scandalous big arrests. But I doubt that the Qatari are breaking any laws that aren't also broken by Perez, although he's very glib about covering his tracks. But football being rife with corruption can hardly be a surprise. Half the management of FIFA and UEFA are up on corruption charges, and I'm sure the other half is no less corrupt, they just haven't been caught yet.
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On August 30 2017 15:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 08:54 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 06:52 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 05:42 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 05:04 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:
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Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...).
You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year...
So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is. You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar. The same way the City Football Group is privately owned. Not really sure what you are implying here. Mostly I just think you are being salty because you are wrong. Being connected is not the same as being something. He is the emir's puppet, that is what I'm "implying". Basically privately owned company, unoficially owned and funded by the state. At some point that guy was even part of the government. Not only that, PSG received 150 million euro as a "sponsorship" from the Qatar Tourism Authority which is basically part of the governent of Qatar. "salty because I'm being wrong"... Do you really think that I didn't know that this company is "officially" privately owned ? Lol. The scheme is obvious, but the pockets of the people responsible in UEFA are too heavy now and they will not do anything. By the way, where is the 2022 World cup ? Oh, isn't it Qatar ? Interesting ! There are numerous schemes of this nature, where you can make the claim that things are "unofficially" owned by one thing or the other. The only thing unique about Arab states is that the states themselves are very small and run like privately owned enterprises. The shiekhs and Emirs basically own the country. If you knew about it, you had an awfully hard time showing it so I wont really acknowledge fault for you making misleading statements.. In any case I gave you an aside to that point, your whining was initially wrong/misleading and completely self-serving. You can keep clutching at things to back up your point but the bottom line is they are only taking a culture that was created at the turn of the century has existed forever and they are simply taking it to the next level. In many ways as disturbing as it is people warned about it forever as it was only logical someone with deep enough pockets would get into it. Sport and football especially have by far the strongest brand outreach its kinda obvious why they would want to throw stupid amounts of money at it even if the return is extremely long term. Complaining that UEFA is corrupt or FIFA is corrupt is pointless because its not your complaining that matters, its the money. And you know that The only way I seeing this coming to ahead is actual home fans of teams in top leagues themselves making a stand. People like you and me can only sit here and complain on the internet and the actual fan the one going to the stadium, the Pande's of this world will either benefit from it and wont mind it or he will keep dealing with it till (and if it became untenable). Maybe, maybe at that point some of this will need rethinking but by then it will be too little too late. I agree that people like Perez and Abramovich created an "infrastructure" that made football great enviorment for people with endless supply of money. I was always in favor of more strict financial rules - salary and transfer caps. Obviously PSG is using that "infrastructure" to spend their endless supply of money, but that is not the main problem with that team. The problem is that they have access to these money in the first place. To put it bluntly, they should not exist, with their current ownership. They are breaking, not only football, but also european laws. You're just salty because PSG has a bigger sugardaddy than Real Madrid. But I see no difference between a Qatari billionaire owner, a Russian billionaire owner or a Spanish billionaire owner. If laws are being broken, I'm sure the gendarmerie will stop PSG and make some scandalous big arrests. But I doubt that the Qatari are breaking any laws that aren't also broken by Perez, although he's very glib about covering his tracks. But football being rife with corruption can hardly be a surprise. Half the management of FIFA and UEFA are up on corruption charges, and I'm sure the other half is no less corrupt, they just haven't been caught yet.
Of course I am... Let's totally ignore the difference between Spanish billionaire, Russian billionaire and the government of Qatar. Totally the same things.
The fact that a government is owning a football club, doesn't seem to bother anyone here... You are more concerned about someone being "salty". At this point the conversation is completely pointless.
By the way there is no reason for me to be salty. PSG just spent 400 mil euro for players that are not worth even a quarter of that. Money is not the only prerequisite for a good team, having a brain is more important.
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Pep as usual, he wants 20 world class players. That is actually a strategy to make football worse overall. I want to see top players playing football, not sitting in the bench.
Look at Bayern, they sold some good/top players. The power of Starting XI is unchanged, the bench looks a bit weaker. Douglas Costa will play at Juventus and not sit at Bayern's bench.
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On August 30 2017 16:42 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 15:50 Acrofales wrote:On August 30 2017 08:54 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 07:26 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 06:52 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 05:42 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 05:04 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 04:34 Rebs wrote:On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:[quote] You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence. If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now. From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea ) and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back. Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money? This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point. So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell. The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now. Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.) The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit. I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem. I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport". Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates... Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that". Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA. Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held. And regardless of that On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.
Of course it is. Haha. Most privately owned company in the world. Al-Khelaifi is totaly not connected to the emir of Qatar. The same way the City Football Group is privately owned. Not really sure what you are implying here. Mostly I just think you are being salty because you are wrong. Being connected is not the same as being something. He is the emir's puppet, that is what I'm "implying". Basically privately owned company, unoficially owned and funded by the state. At some point that guy was even part of the government. Not only that, PSG received 150 million euro as a "sponsorship" from the Qatar Tourism Authority which is basically part of the governent of Qatar. "salty because I'm being wrong"... Do you really think that I didn't know that this company is "officially" privately owned ? Lol. The scheme is obvious, but the pockets of the people responsible in UEFA are too heavy now and they will not do anything. By the way, where is the 2022 World cup ? Oh, isn't it Qatar ? Interesting ! There are numerous schemes of this nature, where you can make the claim that things are "unofficially" owned by one thing or the other. The only thing unique about Arab states is that the states themselves are very small and run like privately owned enterprises. The shiekhs and Emirs basically own the country. If you knew about it, you had an awfully hard time showing it so I wont really acknowledge fault for you making misleading statements.. In any case I gave you an aside to that point, your whining was initially wrong/misleading and completely self-serving. You can keep clutching at things to back up your point but the bottom line is they are only taking a culture that was created at the turn of the century has existed forever and they are simply taking it to the next level. In many ways as disturbing as it is people warned about it forever as it was only logical someone with deep enough pockets would get into it. Sport and football especially have by far the strongest brand outreach its kinda obvious why they would want to throw stupid amounts of money at it even if the return is extremely long term. Complaining that UEFA is corrupt or FIFA is corrupt is pointless because its not your complaining that matters, its the money. And you know that The only way I seeing this coming to ahead is actual home fans of teams in top leagues themselves making a stand. People like you and me can only sit here and complain on the internet and the actual fan the one going to the stadium, the Pande's of this world will either benefit from it and wont mind it or he will keep dealing with it till (and if it became untenable). Maybe, maybe at that point some of this will need rethinking but by then it will be too little too late. I agree that people like Perez and Abramovich created an "infrastructure" that made football great enviorment for people with endless supply of money. I was always in favor of more strict financial rules - salary and transfer caps. Obviously PSG is using that "infrastructure" to spend their endless supply of money, but that is not the main problem with that team. The problem is that they have access to these money in the first place. To put it bluntly, they should not exist, with their current ownership. They are breaking, not only football, but also european laws. You're just salty because PSG has a bigger sugardaddy than Real Madrid. But I see no difference between a Qatari billionaire owner, a Russian billionaire owner or a Spanish billionaire owner. If laws are being broken, I'm sure the gendarmerie will stop PSG and make some scandalous big arrests. But I doubt that the Qatari are breaking any laws that aren't also broken by Perez, although he's very glib about covering his tracks. But football being rife with corruption can hardly be a surprise. Half the management of FIFA and UEFA are up on corruption charges, and I'm sure the other half is no less corrupt, they just haven't been caught yet. Of course I am... Let's totally ignore the difference between Spanish billionaire, Russian billionaire and the government of Qatar. Totally the same things. The fact that a government is owning a football club, doesn't seem to bother anyone here... You are more concerned about someone being "salty". At this point the conversation is completely pointless. By the way there is no reason for me to be salty. PSG just spent 400 mil euro for players that are not worth even a quarter of that. Money is not the only prerequisite for a good team, having a brain is more important.
Perez is on a first-name basis with all of the PP. I'd say his ties to the Spanish government are about at the same level.
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Ox turned down deal? whaaaaaat?
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Some interesting quotes from Bayern Munich president Uli Hoeness in Bild this morning, who says that "there is no player in the world worth 100 million euros."
"I do not want to buy a player for 100 million euros even if I had the money," he said. "That would be too much of a waste of money.
"We have reached a point where we have to be damned careful. Because there is a point where maybe the fan has had enough. Now we have to say 'enough is enough'."
These are the moments I really like Hoeness. He also knows what he is talking about as Bayern actually finance their club with their own money
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He wants to go play at left back with Liverpool, yet Liverpool not made any offers for him. Interesting indeed. Guess wants assurances of playing left back over being a winner at Chelsea :D
This transfer window a bit of a disaster for Chelsea, even if we get in Llorente - Barkley - Drinkwater we are still short in the wingback position!
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PSG obligated to pay €180m in Kylian Mbappé loan deal
Ligue 1 side PSG will be obligated to pay €180m to make their signing of Kylian Mbappé next summer in their initial loan deal with AS Monaco, according to Le Parisien.
The only way in which they get out of this arrangement, is if they are relegated from Ligue 1.
The newspaper reports that there are now no longer any obstacles remaining for the deal to be officially announced today.
Forget the Qatar/Neymar bullshit, there is no way a loan deal with mandatory buyout should be possible to avoid FFP.
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On August 30 2017 22:09 sneirac wrote:Show nested quote +PSG obligated to pay €180m in Kylian Mbappé loan deal
Ligue 1 side PSG will be obligated to pay €180m to make their signing of Kylian Mbappé next summer in their initial loan deal with AS Monaco, according to Le Parisien.
The only way in which they get out of this arrangement, is if they are relegated from Ligue 1.
The newspaper reports that there are now no longer any obstacles remaining for the deal to be officially announced today. Forget the Qatar/Neymar bullshit, there is no way a loan deal with mandatory buyout should be possible to avoid FFP.
Technically it's not mandatory, as the permanent option only becomes active if he helps them avoid relegation to Ligue 2!
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Haha nicely put. But I don't think you can stop these things. The buyout clause next summer will still count towards their FFP at that time, so I don't see a big problem with it. A loan is allowed, a transfer next summer is too. Let's connect the two...
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On August 30 2017 16:42 Pr0wler wrote:
By the way there is no reason for me to be salty. PSG just spent 400 mil euro for players that are not worth even a quarter of that. Money is not the only prerequisite for a good team,having a brain is more important.
I am glad you realise this, I pray you also appreciate the importance of using it one day.
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Ox to Liverpool as long as medicals go fine. At least at some point the fee was going to be around 40 mil.
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