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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
August 29 2017 12:41 GMT
#861
Ok lets not talk about terrorism being involved in football please
State owning PSG is ok but lets not involve things that are nothing to do with football!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 29 2017 12:44 GMT
#862
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 13:56:30
August 29 2017 13:29 GMT
#863
On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 13:48 Dante08 wrote:
So we have Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele currently, and with Coutinho most likely going to Barca we have the transfer record being smashed 4 times in a single window, making Pogba look like chump change. What the fuck is happening.

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.

How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.


Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.

Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.



By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.

There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.



On August 29 2017 21:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/LFCVine/status/902299475565314049


Best part is they all look cheap.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 13:34:51
August 29 2017 13:34 GMT
#864
whelp double
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18004 Posts
August 29 2017 13:42 GMT
#865
Did you just quote yourself in your own post and then double post, making it an impressive quadruple post? Well done! Normally I only manage to do that on discord!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
August 29 2017 13:46 GMT
#866
Haha xD but yes, no posting about Qatar and Terrorism and whatever from now on! You had your says no more it's very bad and not for this thread, we speak about football
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 29 2017 13:56 GMT
#867
On August 29 2017 22:42 Acrofales wrote:
Did you just quote yourself in your own post and then double post, making it an impressive quadruple post? Well done! Normally I only manage to do that on discord!


This what happens when you stealthily try to post at work
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 14:32:53
August 29 2017 14:15 GMT
#868
I mean, if we try, we could link every single team in the world to some shady stuff

just off the top of my head, Real Madrid is sponsored by Adidas, which has been linked to child labour many many times

see ? is pretty easy
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 29 2017 14:49 GMT
#869
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1936 Posts
August 29 2017 15:27 GMT
#870
Some rumors say Van Djik has boarded a plane heading to Liverpool. The way Liverpool are suddenly spending seems a bit curious too, but who knows...

Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
August 29 2017 15:30 GMT
#871
On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2017 21:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/LFCVine/status/902299475565314049


Best part is they all look cheap.


and the African cup is now in Summer. Some really good business from Liverpool in this crazy transfer window.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
August 29 2017 15:35 GMT
#872
Still doubt will make them a title contenders, but who knows...

at some point they have to start spending if they want to win the league again.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 15:53:54
August 29 2017 15:44 GMT
#873
On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 13:48 Dante08 wrote:
So we have Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele currently, and with Coutinho most likely going to Barca we have the transfer record being smashed 4 times in a single window, making Pogba look like chump change. What the fuck is happening.

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.

How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.


Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.

Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.



By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.

There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.


Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money.
Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 15:59:45
August 29 2017 15:58 GMT
#874
On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:
On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 13:48 Dante08 wrote:
So we have Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele currently, and with Coutinho most likely going to Barca we have the transfer record being smashed 4 times in a single window, making Pogba look like chump change. What the fuck is happening.

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.

How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.


Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.

Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.



By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.

There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.


Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money.
Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke.


And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway.

But thats not all you said originally additionally

On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.



Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !)
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 16:48:11
August 29 2017 16:41 GMT
#875
On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:
On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 13:48 Dante08 wrote:
So we have Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele currently, and with Coutinho most likely going to Barca we have the transfer record being smashed 4 times in a single window, making Pogba look like chump change. What the fuck is happening.

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.

How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.


Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.

Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.



By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.

There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.


Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money.
Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke.


And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway.

But thats not all you said originally additionally

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.



Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !)


Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...).

You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year...
So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
August 29 2017 16:46 GMT
#876
If Uefa gave a shit they would have stepped in when Roman founded Chelsea in 2003. They don't and with the way they weakened FFP after it became clear that they would have to actually ban some big teams (PSG, Man City) speaks volumes for what will happen about the Neymar transfer, nothing.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-29 19:28:22
August 29 2017 17:40 GMT
#877
On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:
On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:
On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 13:48 Dante08 wrote:
So we have Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele currently, and with Coutinho most likely going to Barca we have the transfer record being smashed 4 times in a single window, making Pogba look like chump change. What the fuck is happening.

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.

How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.


Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.

Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.



By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.

There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.


Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money.
Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke.


And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway.

But thats not all you said originally additionally

On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.



Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !)


Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...).

You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year...
So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is.


You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence.

If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now.

From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +
( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea )
and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing

And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back.

Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money?

This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point.

So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell.

The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.

Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.)

The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit for tacitly approving it with our silence. Personally I dont care enough about it make a fuss and my or anyone elses personal disapproval without some sort of mass collective action is pretty meaningless.




sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18413 Posts
August 29 2017 19:18 GMT
#878
I see no difference between one person putting millions into a football club or a country tbh...
I dislike both
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
August 29 2017 19:27 GMT
#879
On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:
On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:
On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 13:48 Dante08 wrote:
So we have Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele currently, and with Coutinho most likely going to Barca we have the transfer record being smashed 4 times in a single window, making Pogba look like chump change. What the fuck is happening.

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.

How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.


Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.

Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.



By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.

There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.


Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money.
Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke.


And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway.

But thats not all you said originally additionally

On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.



Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !)


Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...).

You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year...
So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is.


You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence.

If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now.

From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +
( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea )
and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing

And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back.

Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money?

This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point.

So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell.

The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.

Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.)

The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit.


I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem.
I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport".
Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates...
Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that".
Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 29 2017 19:34 GMT
#880
On August 30 2017 04:27 Pr0wler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:
On August 30 2017 01:41 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 30 2017 00:58 Rebs wrote:
On August 30 2017 00:44 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 22:29 Rebs wrote:
On August 29 2017 21:24 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 17:41 nojok wrote:
On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:
On August 29 2017 13:48 Dante08 wrote:
So we have Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele currently, and with Coutinho most likely going to Barca we have the transfer record being smashed 4 times in a single window, making Pogba look like chump change. What the fuck is happening.

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.

How the Qatar would even produce drugs or weapons? They don't have oil and terrorism cost money, it does not earn it. You managed to be wrong on everything, congratz.


Qatar doesn't produce oil ? Haha, OK.
Qatar is supporting terrorists by reselling weapons to them. So yeah... You are wrong, congratulations.

Even if their money are totally legit and earned by fair means, UEFA should still take action against PSG. They are a team supported by a state... It just so happens that this state is also a terrorist state to make the matters even worse and actually disgusting.



By the logic you are presenting pretty much every major European country and the US is also guilty since they arent stupid enough not to know where they are going. If the world was so worried about Qatar reselling weapons they wouldnt sell them weapons.

There are plenty of complaints to be made against Arab countries but I would fuck off with your pseudo political bullshit.
Please keep the politics out of it. You clearly dont have a clue anyway.


Who cares about Qatar ? I don't really care about politics. What I'm saying is that PSG is backed by a state, which is against the rules of UEFA. They are competing with unfair advantage and should be banned from all competitions under UEFA, until they can proove the source of their money.
Obviously that will not happen, because UEFA is a complete joke.


And thats fine, there we agree. Partly anyway.

But thats not all you said originally additionally

On August 29 2017 16:06 Pr0wler wrote:

Qatar spending their money from terror, drugs, weapons and oil. This is what is happening. It's a disgrace that UEFA is doing nothing about PSG... Probably Qatar's money bought their silence, too.



Additionally you cant really ban with a guilty until proven innocent line of thinking. It is ofcourse extremely disconcerting the way things are and I am sure if there was a will to investigate things could and should happen to prevent this kind of stuff. The stakes unfortunately are of a magnitude now where little can be done about it without risking a backlash and fallout that may well even cripple the system thats sorta developed now. (THANKS ROMAN !)


Cut the sentence at "Qatar is spending" and my point is made. You and one other guy decided to focus on the rest which is irrelevant to this thread, so I'm not going to discuss it (yeah I answered one time which was a mistake...).

You can ban with "Prove to us where your money comes from" attitude. If a person can go to jail by failing to provide evidence for a legitimate source of income, why can't UEFA ban PSG for the same ? All of a sudden they spent 200+ mils for one transfer and are signing a contract to pay another 180 next year. According Deloite PSG had 520 mil euro revenue for the last year...
So maybe someone at UEFA should figure out that something doesn't add up. Well, if they were not corrupted trash that is.


You are misunderstanding, I am not saying that they should be out scott free if they fail to provide sufficient evidence. I am saying that you cant ban first and then ask for the evidence.

If the will to do so was there, there would be a proper procedure to stop it. I dont understand why people are crying about this now when financial instruments have been used to do this for 10 years now.

From a moral point of view whats the difference between Perez using his personal wealth + Show Spoiler +
( take loans for club use his companies assets as collateral, so basically just not as overtly as say our favourite Roman, and to be fair he also grew the brand insanely well, then again so did Chelsea )
and Qatari's through a wealth fund which is basically just their excess cash, doing the same thing

And believe it or not they dont make their money from " terror, drugs, weapons and oil" which it seems you are happy to walk back.

Now you have an issue because they just started doing it better with more money?

This was always going to happen and something should have been done about this way before it got to this point.

So i find it all a bit fresh to get all uppity and lose your shit now. All big clubs have contributed to this problem and governing authorities have been silent on it because they benefit aswell.

The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.

Finally, lets assume that they do ask them to "prove where there money comes from." I am afraid many clubs with Europe based owners if audited properly (you know your Romans and Perez's) will find themselves in some pretty hot water. Probably more so than the Qatari's because their money is probably alot cleaner. They have too many resources and too little to actually have to spend it on to even bother with shady shit. (not that they probably dont, each Prince has massive kitty's he can do whatever the fuck he wants with.)

The stakes are way beyond what normal people like us can imagine now. We the regular football fan are just as complicit.


I'm not talking about any financial instruments at all. Financial schemes are completely different problem.
I'm talking about "involvment of governemnt in the sport".
Last year the EC found Barcelona, Real Madrid and other teams from Spain guilty of that, because the state gave them favorable tax rates...
Several years ago, when CSKA and Lokomotiv Sofia went broke, the state couldn't save them(by loans or whatever, and we are talking about a couple of millions), because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the Bulgarian football union, because "UEFA forbids that". The state can't fund the construction or renovation of club stadiums, because "UEFA forbids that".
Now the governement of Qatar is basically pumping money into PSG and nobody is even saying a thing. Cool. And fuck UEFA.



Qatar Sports Investment is not the Government of Qatar. Its a closed shared holding company, privately held.

And regardless of that

On August 30 2017 02:40 Rebs wrote:

The idea that "OMG WTF THEY ARE A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT ALLOWED" is absolute bollocks. Sugar daddying was bad period and it should have been nipped in the bud. Good luck handling the monster now.







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