On April 06 2016 08:41 aseq wrote: Big teams getting help again, I wonder if FIFA don't know that we're not even that interested in another Bayern-Barca, Barca-Real or Bayern-Real final. At least I'm not. Let's hope Leicester wins the Champion's League next year.
This is so true... Barcelona and Bayern are already the best 2 teams in europe... They shouldn't need the little push they got from the referees today...
The 2 harsh yellows to Torres without maintaining the criteria throughout the game were a disgrace.
The penalty on the Bayern game, and Ribery and Vidal that were over aggressive all game with little to none disciplinary action..
Felix Brych it's the poster boy for bad refereeing. Whenever Uefa needs a specific turn out they send him.
I can only think of a worse referee in UEFA games which is Cuneit Cakir.
First yellow for Torres was so out of spite he deserves to be sent off just for that lol. No word about all the teatrics by ATM players after they 'got fouled' was expected. Good result considering the first half and all the close misses (dat hit in the post damn).
On April 06 2016 08:41 aseq wrote: Big teams getting help again, I wonder if FIFA don't know that we're not even that interested in another Bayern-Barca, Barca-Real or Bayern-Real final. At least I'm not. Let's hope Leicester wins the Champion's League next year.
This is so true... Barcelona and Bayern are already the best 2 teams in europe... They shouldn't need the little push they got from the referees today...
What does that even mean? I don't get it. You guys are saying these clubs bought the referees? Or that the UEFA wants a great final so they give instructions to the referees? Any proof of that? This is so ridiculous. This is an insult to how these clubs play football. They're the ones who try things on the pitch, they're the ones who make this sport so popular, they're the same ones who made you dream when you were kids.
And because they're so good, teams try to stop them. And when you play defensive and you don't touch the ball, you make fouls. When you make fouls, you get cards and penalties against you. Yes, these teams get more penalties and red card 'for' them, because they're the ones TRYING. Stop with these conspiracy comments...
On April 06 2016 08:41 aseq wrote: Big teams getting help again, I wonder if FIFA don't know that we're not even that interested in another Bayern-Barca, Barca-Real or Bayern-Real final. At least I'm not. Let's hope Leicester wins the Champion's League next year.
This is so true... Barcelona and Bayern are already the best 2 teams in europe... They shouldn't need the little push they got from the referees today...
What does that even mean? I don't get it. You guys are saying these clubs bought the referees? Or that the UEFA wants a great final so they give instructions to the referees? Any proof of that? This is so ridiculous. This is an insult to how these clubs play football. They're the ones who try things on the pitch, they're the ones who make this sport so popular, they're the same ones who made you dream when you were kids.
And because they're so good, teams try to stop them. And when you play defensive and you don't touch the ball, you make fouls. When you make fouls, you get cards and penalties against you. Yes, these teams get more penalties and red card 'for' them, because they're the ones TRYING. Stop with these conspiracy comments...
In a world where UEFA and FIFA officials are known to be corrupt as f# you can't blame fans from doubting the honesty of the organization and refereeing.
On April 06 2016 08:41 aseq wrote: Big teams getting help again, I wonder if FIFA don't know that we're not even that interested in another Bayern-Barca, Barca-Real or Bayern-Real final. At least I'm not. Let's hope Leicester wins the Champion's League next year.
This is so true... Barcelona and Bayern are already the best 2 teams in europe... They shouldn't need the little push they got from the referees today...
What does that even mean? I don't get it. You guys are saying these clubs bought the referees? Or that the UEFA wants a great final so they give instructions to the referees? Any proof of that? This is so ridiculous. This is an insult to how these clubs play football. They're the ones who try things on the pitch, they're the ones who make this sport so popular, they're the same ones who made you dream when you were kids.
And because they're so good, teams try to stop them. And when you play defensive and you don't touch the ball, you make fouls. When you make fouls, you get cards and penalties against you. Yes, these teams get more penalties and red card 'for' them, because they're the ones TRYING. Stop with these conspiracy comments...
Of course, that from a spectator stand point (and U€FA standpoint) it's more interesting to have a Bayern - Barcelona instead of a Benfica - Atletico Madrid in the Semi Finals of the Champions League.
You want Proof? It's impossible to get proof in cases like this because there's nothing even telling us that this is active corruption. It can be just that subconsciously make more decisions in favor of the better teams. And this happen everywhere.. In Portugal the 3 bigger clubs get much more decisions in their favor than against them.
Just giving as example the games from yesterday, I've seen the Bayern - Benfica game and only extended highlights for the Barcelona game.
From what I've seen, this is mostly a problem with disciplinary criteria. I'm ok with Torres being sent off, he was overly aggressive in most of his plays, but so was Suarez. Suarez alone should have seen a straight red card.. The criteria wasn't the same for both teams.
On the Benfica game it was the same. Ribery had more than one chance to get sent off with a double yellow but never did. And still Benfica players got yellows with the exact same plays that ribery did. The same happened with Vidal that is beyond me how he ended the game without an yellow card.
I'm not saying that there is a UEFA conspiracy that supports the better teams (Although i'm implying it), i'm just saying that the richer teams get more decisions in their favor than the other way around.
There was also a foul by Bernat on Renato Sanches that stopped a counter that is normally a yellow (would have been his second). To be fair to the referee though, his criteria mas more lax in general and he didn't show many yellows at all. The ones to Jonas and Lindelof were deserved.
There were soo many opportunities for the ref to show yellow cards to ATM players for complaining overly aggresive and a pen on Messi not called. The anti FCB paranoia is so much fun tho, please go on :-)
The difference between madrid and european newspapers on about the red card and the ref in general is like night and day heh.
On April 06 2016 19:26 Salteador Neo wrote: There were soo many opportunities for the ref to show yellow cards to ATM players for complaining overly aggresive and a pen on Messi not called. The anti FCB paranoia is so much fun tho, please go on :-)
The difference between madrid and european newspapers on about the red card and the ref in general is like night and day heh.
I am a Barcelona fan for as long as I remember. I was already a Barcelona Fan before i knew what football is. I had a "nanny" that was a Barcelona Fanatic.
With that said, I still think that the criteria wasn't the same for both sides playing yesterday (keep in mind that i only saw the extended highlights - 7 minutes or so).
Yeah that wasn't a pen and if anything a dive. But that is my bias opinion.
Also ignore the bad writing by the guy, but how is that not a sending off if Torres gets two for what he did. The main issue with the refereeing last night i saw, was he was as usual for Byrch, not consistent. I live with Torres sending off if he is that strict for the rest of the game, but he wasn't.
Barça did not get a better treatment than Atletico (50-50 bad decision, maybe even worse for Barça than for Atletico), but it doesn't matter anyway. I understand the media influence/subconscious decisions by the referees, but you guys seem to completely ignore the fact that these teams (Barça, Real, Bayern, ...) play BETTER than other teams on average, hence their ranking. You play better and with more possession, the opponent is bound to make fouls, it's just how it is.
Every year Real and Barça have a shit ton of penalties in the league, that's because they spend a shit ton of time in the opponent's 16m. In 38 games a season, I can guarantee you that Barça and Real get robbed far more often than other teams. Between the penalties that don't get called, the offsides that aren't, the physical teams that don't get punished (Atletico, Athletic, ...)... Problem is that we care too much about what players/managers/presidents say after a game. They're just defending their side, they don't care about objectivity.
The Atleticos of this world whine because they feel it's unfair against Barças/Reals/Bayerns, the Getafes whine against the Atleticos, etc..
On April 06 2016 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah that wasn't a pen and if anything a dive. But that is my bias opinion.
Also ignore the bad writing by the guy, but how is that not a sending off if Torres gets two for what he did. The main issue with the refereeing last night i saw, was he was as usual for Byrch, not consistent. I live with Torres sending off if he is that strict for the rest of the game, but he wasn't.
And that was for Atletico's benefit mostly... Yes, it's a red for Suarez, but maybe the referee didn't see it? Like he didn't see the clear red from Lucas on Neymar or the countless dangerous fouls by Gabi.
I think Barça players should just anticipate and say the same crap as Atletico, instead of taking it. Luis Enrique should go and say "I don't get how they finished the game with more than 8 players" this kind of thing.
I dunno what you guys on about, I would send off Torres just for the stupidity of going for that challenge where the ball is going nowhere, you already got the entire team back of the ball and on a yellow. It is a bookable offence, simple stuff people.
Difference with that challenge and Suarez' one is that he's not on the ball so no one is paying attention therefore ref can't see what was going on there. It might ve a red, we can see it from replays, refs can't ser it, move on. Uefa can give him some few match ban or something or that would be the case in England, overruling the decision of the ref.
Its pointless making arguments about refs favorism n shit, especially when its not true. It might be bad refereeing from viewers perspective but in the end Torres was begging for a 2nd yellow and Suarez is as cheeky as ever. No need to call it a disgrace to Barca as they played their game, didn't let Atletico leave their half and u could see where this was gona go at min 50 when Simeone took Carasco off.
I'm not even gona comment on Lahm 'handball'. Please try better to troll or don't post when bitter or try sliding with hands on your body and coming back with no broken ribs.
I'm not even gona comment on Lahm 'handball'. Please try better to troll or don't post when bitter or try sliding with hands on your body and coming back with no broken ribs.
I'm not trolling. If lahm did that sliding tackle on top of the goal line and avoided a goal, would it be a penalty, in your opinion?
Piqué did a sliding tackle and the ball went against his hand. It was not on purpose but it stopped the normal trajectory of the ball. It's a clear penalty, and most of the international newspapers seems to agree with this point of view.
I'm not even gona comment on Lahm 'handball'. Please try better to troll or don't post when bitter or try sliding with hands on your body and coming back with no broken ribs.
I'm not trolling. If lahm did that sliding tackle on top of the goal line and avoided a goal, would it be a penalty, in your opinion?
Are you for real? Point is hands are in natural position, handball is not deliberate, ball is in close proximity, Lahm can't do anything to prevent handball there.
Preventing a goal is a totally different story, and some refs can still not give a penalty for reasons above.
Edit: Watch Leicester-Soton game from the weekend where Leicester players had many appeals of handball against them but again no intent, hand in natural position. You can argue for red in most of the cases but thats the deal these days.
I know that the hand are in a natural position. But if you want to do a sliding tackle in front of someone that is going to do a cross is a risk that you're taking. It's not legal to change the trajectory of the ball with your hand.
And preventing a goal SHOULDN'T be a totally different story. The imminence of the goal should only matter for the disciplinary action. Not the technical one.. A foul is a foul, whatever that outcome may be.
Other than that, it was a good game overall. 1-0 is a good result considering we were playing on the home field of one of the top 3 teams in the world. We will suffer a lot on the 2nd hand game but we'll fight until the end!
It's very good to have Benfica back on top European football (Europa League finals don't have the visibility of Champions LEague Quarters)
On April 06 2016 21:02 bObaZ wrote: I know that the hand are in a natural position. But if you want to do a sliding tackle in front of someone that is going to do a cross is a risk that you're taking. It's not legal to change the trajectory of the ball with your hand.
And preventing a goal SHOULDN'T be a totally different story. The imminence of the goal should only matter for the disciplinary action. Not the technical one.. A foul is a foul, whatever that outcome may be.
Other than that, it was a good game overall. 1-0 is a good result considering we were playing on the home field of one of the top 3 teams in the world. We will suffer a lot on the 2nd hand game but we'll fight until the end!
Bonus Gif from yesterday
Well thats asking for a different thing, some pundits bring it up every time they can, saying 'if its a handball in the box, its a penalty' harsh or not, just to make decisions clear and easy for everyone. Whatever that may be its not the case for now.
On April 06 2016 21:02 bObaZ wrote: I know that the hand are in a natural position. But if you want to do a sliding tackle in front of someone that is going to do a cross is a risk that you're taking. It's not legal to change the trajectory of the ball with your hand.
And preventing a goal SHOULDN'T be a totally different story. The imminence of the goal should only matter for the disciplinary action. Not the technical one.. A foul is a foul, whatever that outcome may be.
Other than that, it was a good game overall. 1-0 is a good result considering we were playing on the home field of one of the top 3 teams in the world. We will suffer a lot on the 2nd hand game but we'll fight until the end!
Bonus Gif from yesterday
Well thats asking for a different thing, some pundits bring it up every time they can, saying 'if its a handball in the box, its a penalty' harsh or not, just to make decisions clear and easy for everyone. Whatever that may be its not the case for now.
That's not, at all, what i'm saying. But let's agree to disagree.
We won't get anywhere with this discussion. I've seen the newspaper across europe and some say it's a penalty, some say it's dubious, and other say it's nothing. It will always be a difficult decision.
Also ignore the bad writing by the guy, but how is that not a sending off if Torres gets two for what he did. The main issue with the refereeing last night i saw, was he was as usual for Byrch, not consistent. I live with Torres sending off if he is that strict for the rest of the game, but he wasn't.
IMO players like Suarez, Pepe, .... are criminals and should be in jail for maliciously inflicted harm/ assault and battery or whatever this is called and not playing football for millions of Euros a year...
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