On January 23 2015 07:33 Ghostcom wrote: Gryffindor_US, you know extremely little about me, and what you have extrapolated from my posts are largely wrong. If there exists a reasonable explanation for why only the pats balls systematically lost 2 PSI whilst all the Colts's retained pressure within the limits I shall gladly accept that.
You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI.
I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports.
I expect you to publicly admit how much of a fool you were after official NFL statement. It's a fair thing to ask, I think, esp since you are playing your knight.
1) I don't see any official NFL statement on the issue? 2) If the NFL statement is going to be "something happened, we can't prove anything" then I'm not really willing to apologize. As stated previously - if there is a reasonable explanation I shall gladly admit that I was in the wrong - heck I even hope there is one as it would be the best outcome for the credibility of the league. 3) I don't have a knight..... I do however have a proper competitive upbringing where it was hammered home that you didn't cheat.
EDIT: Since you are requiring me to go on record, how about you do the same for all the Pats fans defending their team? It is a fair thing to ask after all...
A shame people have fallen into the agenda ESPN and the media wanted them too. Never was a story here just the media pushing their agenda of remaining relevant with 24/7 talk shows of football. Gotta keep your talking heads going and page views I guess.
On January 23 2015 07:33 Ghostcom wrote: Gryffindor_US, you know extremely little about me, and what you have extrapolated from my posts are largely wrong. If there exists a reasonable explanation for why only the pats balls systematically lost 2 PSI whilst all the Colts's retained pressure within the limits I shall gladly accept that.
You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI.
I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports.
I expect you to publicly admit how much of a fool you were after official NFL statement. It's a fair thing to ask, I think, esp since you are playing your knight.
1) I don't see any official NFL statement on the issue? 2) If the NFL statement is going to be "something happened, we can't prove anything" then I'm not really willing to apologize. As stated previously - if there is a reasonable explanation I shall gladly admit that I was in the wrong - heck I even hope there is one as it would be the best outcome for the credibility of the league. 3) I don't have a knight..... I do however have a proper competitive upbringing where it was hammered home that you didn't cheat.
EDIT: Since you are requiring me to go on record, how about you do the same for all the Pats fans defending their team? It is a fair thing to ask after all...
I'm expecting NFL statement to not have anything of substance, to the extent where no fines will be issued and possibly not even a warning. I've already read that 2 PSI figure was more like 1 PSI, possibly no credible record of measurement even exists.
Pats fan are pissed. No one likes this but it is starting to look like complete bs.
On January 23 2015 08:03 QuanticHawk wrote: Moving gears away from how heavy Brady likes his balls, the 49ers hired Tarver, the oakland Dc for the past three years, to be their linebacker coach. He was previously the Niners linebacker coach during the GLORY DAYS of 2005-2010. Because why wouldn't you hire the dcoordinator from the vaunted Raiders defense??
This is on the heels of hiring Tony Sparano as the TE coach, and getting denied for an interview with Vance Joseph for the DC position. Who the fuck is Vance Joseph you may ask? Oh, just the db coach for the Bengals, who has zero coordinator experience, and was a secondary coach with the Niners during their dynasty from during hte same timeframe as Tarver.
So after three trips to the NFC Title game in four years, the Niners decided to target retreads who coached there during the franchise's worst stretch in 30 fucking years, and poach shitty coaches from the Raiders.
The rate at which this franchise is rapidly swirling the tubes is so astounding that I'm starting to be humored by it.
While I dont know anything about the other guys, Sporano as a TE coach isn't a bad thing. There is a reason most guys get HC positions and then fail, and its because they were good coordinators. Some really good coordinators are failed Head Coaches like Dick Lebeau and Norv Turner. Other mediocre head coaches are elite coordinators like Rex Ryan, Gary Kubiak, and Riverboat Ron.
On January 23 2015 08:03 QuanticHawk wrote: Moving gears away from how heavy Brady likes his balls, the 49ers hired Tarver, the oakland Dc for the past three years, to be their linebacker coach. He was previously the Niners linebacker coach during the GLORY DAYS of 2005-2010. Because why wouldn't you hire the dcoordinator from the vaunted Raiders defense??
This is on the heels of hiring Tony Sparano as the TE coach, and getting denied for an interview with Vance Joseph for the DC position. Who the fuck is Vance Joseph you may ask? Oh, just the db coach for the Bengals, who has zero coordinator experience, and was a secondary coach with the Niners during their dynasty from during hte same timeframe as Tarver.
So after three trips to the NFC Title game in four years, the Niners decided to target retreads who coached there during the franchise's worst stretch in 30 fucking years, and poach shitty coaches from the Raiders.
The rate at which this franchise is rapidly swirling the tubes is so astounding that I'm starting to be humored by it.
While I dont know anything about the other guys, Sporano as a TE coach isn't a bad thing. There is a reason most guys get HC positions and then fail, and its because they were good coordinators. Some really good coordinators are failed Head Coaches like Dick Lebeau and Norv Turner. Other mediocre head coaches are elite coordinators like Rex Ryan, Gary Kubiak, and Riverboat Ron.
I assume you mean Ron the linebackers coach? He never impressed me enough as a DC to be elite, those Bears teams would've been good with anyone at the helm
On January 23 2015 07:33 Ghostcom wrote: Gryffindor_US, you know extremely little about me, and what you have extrapolated from my posts are largely wrong. If there exists a reasonable explanation for why only the pats balls systematically lost 2 PSI whilst all the Colts's retained pressure within the limits I shall gladly accept that.
You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI.
I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports.
I expect you to publicly admit how much of a fool you were after official NFL statement. It's a fair thing to ask, I think, esp since you are playing your knight.
1) I don't see any official NFL statement on the issue? 2) If the NFL statement is going to be "something happened, we can't prove anything" then I'm not really willing to apologize. As stated previously - if there is a reasonable explanation I shall gladly admit that I was in the wrong - heck I even hope there is one as it would be the best outcome for the credibility of the league. 3) I don't have a knight..... I do however have a proper competitive upbringing where it was hammered home that you didn't cheat.
EDIT: Since you are requiring me to go on record, how about you do the same for all the Pats fans defending their team? It is a fair thing to ask after all...
I'm expecting NFL statement to not have anything of substance, to the extent where no fines will be issued and possibly not even a warning. I've already read that 2 PSI figure was more like 1 PSI, possibly no credible record of measurement even exists.
Pats fan are pissed. No one likes this but it is starting to look like complete bs.
LOL do you honestly believe the crap Belichick and Brady are selling?
Can we ban the obvious homer Pats fans in the thread who are trolls and most likely alts? Life would be much easier.
I just want to hear an actual statement from the NFL
Is it true that 11 of 12 balls were under regulation pressure? Is it true that they were all around 2 psi?
If they were actually all around 2 psi then it doesn't look too good for the patriots, if it's more in the 0.5 to 1.0 range then temperature is quite believable.
Then I want to see the exact rules regarding all of this.
I could easily see it being something along the lines of "After the game balls have been approved by the officials no manipulation could take place by either team." At which point I would not put it past Belichick, in fact I'd almost feel proud to have him as a HC, if they were doing something like giving the balls to the refs after sitting in 100+ degree rooms, so that the psi drops to less than regulation during game time in the colder weather, yet the didn't break any rules.
I guess they could put them to 12.5 psi in the boiler room and then give them to officials to measure. With 2.25 hours until game time, they'd deflate. If that was the case, it would be certainly devious but seemingly not outside the rules.
On January 23 2015 07:33 Ghostcom wrote: Gryffindor_US, you know extremely little about me, and what you have extrapolated from my posts are largely wrong. If there exists a reasonable explanation for why only the pats balls systematically lost 2 PSI whilst all the Colts's retained pressure within the limits I shall gladly accept that.
You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI.
I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports.
I expect you to publicly admit how much of a fool you were after official NFL statement. It's a fair thing to ask, I think, esp since you are playing your knight.
1) I don't see any official NFL statement on the issue? 2) If the NFL statement is going to be "something happened, we can't prove anything" then I'm not really willing to apologize. As stated previously - if there is a reasonable explanation I shall gladly admit that I was in the wrong - heck I even hope there is one as it would be the best outcome for the credibility of the league. 3) I don't have a knight..... I do however have a proper competitive upbringing where it was hammered home that you didn't cheat.
EDIT: Since you are requiring me to go on record, how about you do the same for all the Pats fans defending their team? It is a fair thing to ask after all...
I'm expecting NFL statement to not have anything of substance, to the extent where no fines will be issued and possibly not even a warning. I've already read that 2 PSI figure was more like 1 PSI, possibly no credible record of measurement even exists.
Pats fan are pissed. No one likes this but it is starting to look like complete bs.
LOL do you honestly believe the crap Belichick and Brady are selling?
Can we ban the obvious homer Pats fans in the thread who are trolls and most likely alts? Life would be much easier.
I can hear that air coming out of a torn asshole.. I wish your team was good. Still waiting for that official statement. Rabid fanboy detectives run wild here
On January 23 2015 07:33 Ghostcom wrote: Gryffindor_US, you know extremely little about me, and what you have extrapolated from my posts are largely wrong. If there exists a reasonable explanation for why only the pats balls systematically lost 2 PSI whilst all the Colts's retained pressure within the limits I shall gladly accept that.
You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI.
I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports.
I expect you to publicly admit how much of a fool you were after official NFL statement. It's a fair thing to ask, I think, esp since you are playing your knight.
1) I don't see any official NFL statement on the issue? 2) If the NFL statement is going to be "something happened, we can't prove anything" then I'm not really willing to apologize. As stated previously - if there is a reasonable explanation I shall gladly admit that I was in the wrong - heck I even hope there is one as it would be the best outcome for the credibility of the league. 3) I don't have a knight..... I do however have a proper competitive upbringing where it was hammered home that you didn't cheat.
EDIT: Since you are requiring me to go on record, how about you do the same for all the Pats fans defending their team? It is a fair thing to ask after all...
I'm expecting NFL statement to not have anything of substance, to the extent where no fines will be issued and possibly not even a warning. I've already read that 2 PSI figure was more like 1 PSI, possibly no credible record of measurement even exists.
Pats fan are pissed. No one likes this but it is starting to look like complete bs.
LOL do you honestly believe the crap Belichick and Brady are selling?
Can we ban the obvious homer Pats fans in the thread who are trolls and most likely alts? Life would be much easier.
I can hear that air coming out of a torn asshole.. I wish your team was good. Still waiting for that official statement. Rabid fanboy detectives run wild here
On January 23 2015 11:14 AgentW wrote: I guess they could put them to 12.5 psi in the boiler room and then give them to officials to measure. With 2.25 hours until game time, they'd deflate. If that was the case, it would be certainly devious but seemingly not outside the rules.
I'm not sure of the SOP here. I know the balls have to be handed over to the refs about 2 hours before the game begins, but do the refs typically evaluate them right away or wait until 10-15 minutes before game time to do so? Obviously you don't know either, but this makes a massive difference, the starting temperature wouldn't have to be that high at all if they do it evaluate fairly quickly.
On January 23 2015 11:14 AgentW wrote: I guess they could put them to 12.5 psi in the boiler room and then give them to officials to measure. With 2.25 hours until game time, they'd deflate. If that was the case, it would be certainly devious but seemingly not outside the rules.
I'm not sure of the SOP here. I know the balls have to be handed over to the refs about 2 hours before the game begins, but do the refs typically evaluate them right away or wait until 10-15 minutes before game time to do so? Obviously you don't know either, but this makes a massive difference, the starting temperature wouldn't have to be that high at all if they do it evaluate fairly quickly.
Yeah I just don't know. I sense that while this is physically possible, it just seems unlikely.
On January 23 2015 07:33 Ghostcom wrote: Gryffindor_US, you know extremely little about me, and what you have extrapolated from my posts are largely wrong. If there exists a reasonable explanation for why only the pats balls systematically lost 2 PSI whilst all the Colts's retained pressure within the limits I shall gladly accept that.
You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI.
I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports.
I expect you to publicly admit how much of a fool you were after official NFL statement. It's a fair thing to ask, I think, esp since you are playing your knight.
1) I don't see any official NFL statement on the issue? 2) If the NFL statement is going to be "something happened, we can't prove anything" then I'm not really willing to apologize. As stated previously - if there is a reasonable explanation I shall gladly admit that I was in the wrong - heck I even hope there is one as it would be the best outcome for the credibility of the league. 3) I don't have a knight..... I do however have a proper competitive upbringing where it was hammered home that you didn't cheat.
EDIT: Since you are requiring me to go on record, how about you do the same for all the Pats fans defending their team? It is a fair thing to ask after all...
I'm expecting NFL statement to not have anything of substance, to the extent where no fines will be issued and possibly not even a warning. I've already read that 2 PSI figure was more like 1 PSI, possibly no credible record of measurement even exists.
Pats fan are pissed. No one likes this but it is starting to look like complete bs.
LOL do you honestly believe the crap Belichick and Brady are selling?
Can we ban the obvious homer Pats fans in the thread who are trolls and most likely alts? Life would be much easier.
On January 23 2015 11:14 AgentW wrote: I guess they could put them to 12.5 psi in the boiler room and then give them to officials to measure. With 2.25 hours until game time, they'd deflate. If that was the case, it would be certainly devious but seemingly not outside the rules.
I'm not sure of the SOP here. I know the balls have to be handed over to the refs about 2 hours before the game begins, but do the refs typically evaluate them right away or wait until 10-15 minutes before game time to do so? Obviously you don't know either, but this makes a massive difference, the starting temperature wouldn't have to be that high at all if they do it evaluate fairly quickly.
Yeah I just don't know. I sense that while this is physically possible, it just seems unlikely.
Really? I think it seems fairly likely if the refs normally evaluate the balls right away. Patriots would just have had to put the balls at 12.5-12.8 psi range in a ~95+ degree room shortly before the evaluation, and come halftime when they've dropped to ~50 degrees (Game time temperatures) they would be about 2 psi lower as is being reported.
On January 23 2015 11:14 AgentW wrote: I guess they could put them to 12.5 psi in the boiler room and then give them to officials to measure. With 2.25 hours until game time, they'd deflate. If that was the case, it would be certainly devious but seemingly not outside the rules.
I'm not sure of the SOP here. I know the balls have to be handed over to the refs about 2 hours before the game begins, but do the refs typically evaluate them right away or wait until 10-15 minutes before game time to do so? Obviously you don't know either, but this makes a massive difference, the starting temperature wouldn't have to be that high at all if they do it evaluate fairly quickly.
Yeah I just don't know. I sense that while this is physically possible, it just seems unlikely.
Really? I think it seems really likely if the refs normally evaluate the balls right away. Patriots would just have had to put the balls at 12.5-12.8 psi range in a ~95+ degree room shortly before the evaluation, and come halftime when they've dropped to ~50 degrees (Game time temperatures) they would be about 2 psi lower as is being reported.
Perhaps I'm just a cynic, but I would guess something funny was going on before I guessed the balls were inflated at a high temperature. If that was the case, wouldn't they have been doing this for weeks prior?
On January 23 2015 11:14 AgentW wrote: I guess they could put them to 12.5 psi in the boiler room and then give them to officials to measure. With 2.25 hours until game time, they'd deflate. If that was the case, it would be certainly devious but seemingly not outside the rules.
I'm not sure of the SOP here. I know the balls have to be handed over to the refs about 2 hours before the game begins, but do the refs typically evaluate them right away or wait until 10-15 minutes before game time to do so? Obviously you don't know either, but this makes a massive difference, the starting temperature wouldn't have to be that high at all if they do it evaluate fairly quickly.
Yeah I just don't know. I sense that while this is physically possible, it just seems unlikely.
Really? I think it seems really likely if the refs normally evaluate the balls right away. Patriots would just have had to put the balls at 12.5-12.8 psi range in a ~95+ degree room shortly before the evaluation, and come halftime when they've dropped to ~50 degrees (Game time temperatures) they would be about 2 psi lower as is being reported.
Perhaps I'm just a cynic, but I would guess something funny was going on before the balls were inflated at a high temperature. If that was the case, wouldn't they have been doing this for weeks prior?
Who says they haven't been? Haven't there been reports that the Colts and Baltimore have both complained in the past?
On January 23 2015 11:14 AgentW wrote: I guess they could put them to 12.5 psi in the boiler room and then give them to officials to measure. With 2.25 hours until game time, they'd deflate. If that was the case, it would be certainly devious but seemingly not outside the rules.
I'm not sure of the SOP here. I know the balls have to be handed over to the refs about 2 hours before the game begins, but do the refs typically evaluate them right away or wait until 10-15 minutes before game time to do so? Obviously you don't know either, but this makes a massive difference, the starting temperature wouldn't have to be that high at all if they do it evaluate fairly quickly.
Yeah I just don't know. I sense that while this is physically possible, it just seems unlikely.
Really? I think it seems really likely if the refs normally evaluate the balls right away. Patriots would just have had to put the balls at 12.5-12.8 psi range in a ~95+ degree room shortly before the evaluation, and come halftime when they've dropped to ~50 degrees (Game time temperatures) they would be about 2 psi lower as is being reported.
Perhaps I'm just a cynic, but I would guess something funny was going on before the balls were inflated at a high temperature. If that was the case, wouldn't they have been doing this for weeks prior?
Who says they haven't been? Haven't there been reports that the Colts and Baltimore have both complained in the past?
I heard some rumblings from Baltimore but Harbaugh denied it last week.
so literally nfl coaches don't care about this deflation shit players don't care teams don't care So why is this a big deal... if teams or players legitimately think Pats cheated they'll at least say something. Its probably just some bullshit espn/media/journalist is trying to spin to waste time before the superbowl.
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