EPTNFL 2014 Season - Page 329
| Forum Index > Sports |
|
QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
| ||
|
giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
Patriots actually wrote a letter back to my friends terminal father today, he's pretty excited. | ||
|
Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On January 23 2015 03:38 QuanticHawk wrote: The importance of what happened is overinflated... a good qb like Luck should be able to flawlessly handle balls no matter how warm, cold, or deflated they are. The two offence do not play with the same balls (and there are 12 balls specifically for kicking as well meaning in total 36 balls being used in a normal game). All Colts's balls were properly inflated. Yet 12/12 of Patriots were deflated with 11/12 being 2 PSI under the legal limit. If level of inflation doesn't make a difference, then why are there rules for it in the place, and why did the Patriots break these rules? No one is saying it had an impact on the Colts-Pats game - the problem here is that apparently one of the participants in the biggest single-day sports-event has for the second time been caught cheating. That is a problem for the integrity of the sport - especially because one would have to be extremely naive to think this was a one-time thing raising questions to the validity of prior results as well. | ||
|
RJTheDestroyer
Canada0 Posts
On January 23 2015 01:15 TriO wrote: Too all the stupid idiots in this thread thinking the pats cheated should watch this video. I love the how the media portrays the patriots as the big bad evil empire throughout this whole ordeal. Can't wait to roflstomp the seahawks. If we do and most likely we will because of this stupid overblown shitstorm this win will make it so much sweeter for all the pats fans across the world. I love how other shitty teams like the colts and ravens blames the football instead of themselves. It just shows what a bunch of classless team they are. Difference between us and them we don't need to make excuses after losing. The 4:00pm press conference today will be Brady. Willing to be all my money it was him and it was a personal preference and that's what most qb's do. Also to the morons here thinking these football even had some major advantage look at the scoreboard during the deflated football and after. The score was 14-7 during the deflated and after the 1st half against the colts they went back to corrected footballs and the score was 28-0. Thats all I need to say. Well, if the Colts' balls were still within regulations at half (if they did check both sets of balls at half) then the temperature isn't the only reason the Patriots' balls were below regulations (unless the Colts keep their balls warm or something). Also, most QBs do have a preference one way or the other, but the officials will put them within the regulations if they are outside of that range, so changing them after the fact would obviously be cheating no matter what the QB likes, so you can't use that to defend what happened. I read that Aaron Rodgers prefers the balls to be over-inflated and gets annoyed when the officials deflate them prior to the game...I doubt they re-inflate them after that just because Rodgers likes them that way, and if they did, that would be cheating as well. Here's a link to that story. Also, on a bit of a side-note, when players get suspended for using PEDs (ie. cheating) they get longer suspensions for multiple instances of being caught, so shouldn't the same sort of thing apply to a team and it's staff? The Patriots have been caught cheating multiple times now, so there should be some bigger penalty for that. If I was part of the NFLPA I'd bring that up to the league because it doesn't seem fair at all. In no way am I condoning players using PEDs to gain an advantage, but I think whoever is found to be guilty of cheating should be punished in an appropriate manner, and if Belichick actually had something to do with this (he probably didn't though), then he should definitely be suspended like Sean Payton was for the Bountygate scandal. | ||
|
LeeDawg
United States1306 Posts
| ||
|
Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
On January 23 2015 04:14 Ghostcom wrote: The two offence do not play with the same balls (and there are 12 balls specifically for kicking as well meaning in total 36 balls being used in a normal game). All Colts's balls were properly inflated. Yet 12/12 of Patriots were deflated with 11/12 being 2 PSI under the legal limit. If level of inflation doesn't make a difference, then why are there rules for it in the place, and why did the Patriots break these rules? No one is saying it had an impact on the Colts-Pats game - the problem here is that apparently one of the participants in the biggest single-day sports-event has for the second time been caught cheating. That is a problem for the integrity of the sport - especially because one would have to be extremely naive to think this was a one-time thing raising questions to the validity of prior results as well. Without knowing what PSI the Colts inflate their balls to it's hard to say. As Belichick said, the Patriots could be inflating their balls to the bare minimum and then obviously there would be a loss in pressure by the time game rolled around because it's approximately 2.5 hours later. Also, add to the fact that balls were checked at half time which adds even more time between inflation and after some usage. If the Colts were inflating to 13.5 then it would stay within range. And no, there is a large consensus saying the difference in pressure is negligible in terms of effect. So even if the Patriots had been systematically doing this for a while it didn't have an effect on the results. If they'd been doing it for a while though then obviously it would need to be punished. That said, you're making an assumption that the Patriots have been caught. The NFL hasn't released their investigation yet. At the press conference Belichick talked about making the ball conditions as difficult as possible for his players and even called on past players to vouch for that. Obviously that's completely anecdotal, but he didn't seem like he was attempting subterfuge at the conference. Realistically even if the Patriots were exonerated by the NFL you haven't struck me as the sort of person to take it at face value. So there's really no point in trying to convince you otherwise. | ||
|
red_
United States8474 Posts
On January 23 2015 05:21 Gryffindor_us wrote: Without knowing what PSI the Colts inflate their balls to it's hard to say. As Belichick said, the Patriots could be inflating their balls to the bare minimum and then obviously there would be a loss in pressure by the time game rolled around because it's approximately 2.5 hours later. Also, add to the fact that balls were checked at half time which adds even more time between inflation and after some usage. If the Colts were inflating to 13.5 then it would stay within range. No. Moving on. And no, there is a large consensus saying the difference in pressure is negligible in terms of effect. No. Moving on. So even if the Patriots had been systematically doing this for a while it didn't have an effect on the results. If they'd been doing it for a while though then obviously it would need to be punished. That said, you're making an assumption that the Patriots have been caught. The NFL hasn't released their investigation yet. Innocent until proven guilty, ok, but jurors(which in the court of public opinion, is us) are allowed to perceive guilt/innocence based on the evidence presented at any given point of a case. So far, the evidence leads a lot of us to believe the Pats guilty while we await further evidence to break the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' part. You know, hypothetically, since this isn't a court of law. At the press conference Belichick talked about making the ball conditions as difficult as possible for his players and even called on past players to vouch for that. Obviously that's completely anecdotal, but he didn't seem like he was attempting subterfuge at the conference. I didn't listen to his entire conference, but the parts I've seen he sounded more like 'this isn't what I deal with, ask the players, specifically the QBs.' Realistically even if the Patriots were exonerated by the NFL you haven't struck me as the sort of person to take it at face value. So there's really no point in trying to convince you otherwise. We're not the ones trying to rationalize why our balls were deflated but the other team's were fine, or why it's 'no big deal' that the teams we are fans of have been (probably) caught cheating multiple times now. | ||
|
JimmyJRaynor
Canada17431 Posts
 the giant "Gillette #FLEXBALL" ad behind Brady during this press conference is deliciously ironic. maybe as punishment New England can play with balls over inflated by 2 PSI in the first half of the Super Bowl. | ||
|
AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On January 23 2015 06:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Brady was quoted a few years ago stating he preferred a deflated ball the giant "Gillette #FLEXBALL" ad behind Brady during this press conference is deliciously ironic. I saw that during Belichick's and I laughed too. | ||
|
JimmyJRaynor
Canada17431 Posts
here is a look at this issue from a slightly different angle http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/21/how-the-patriots-could-have-cheated-without-letting-air-out-the-ball/Eocm5m29nIlh0HRBjFWsYO/story.html "The key question, as outlined by Schmaltz, is where the balls were tested prior to the game. If the balls were tested indoors, where the temperature was likely above the 50 degree temperature outdoors Sunday, then the pressure inside the ball would drop once the ball is moved outdoors and begins to cool off." | ||
|
GreenHorizons
United States23830 Posts
| ||
|
red_
United States8474 Posts
On January 23 2015 06:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Brady stated he likes a 12.5 PSI ball. and that they are perfect for him. the legal range is 12.5-13.5 and Brady selected the lowest legal PSI level as his ideal. Added to his previous quotes about playing with a deflated ball... here is a look at this issue from a slightly different angle http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/21/how-the-patriots-could-have-cheated-without-letting-air-out-the-ball/Eocm5m29nIlh0HRBjFWsYO/story.html "The key question, as outlined by Schmaltz, is where the balls were tested prior to the game. If the balls were tested indoors, where the temperature was likely above the 50 degree temperature outdoors Sunday, then the pressure inside the ball would drop once the ball is moved outdoors and begins to cool off." Sniping quotes is cool, but even in that article the professor explains that to achieve the ~2PSI drop, the balls would've had to have been tested in an environment above 80 degrees, even above 90 if it was indeed a full 2PSI drop. So, unless they test the pressure in the boiler room, this seems an extremely dubious proposition, especially when compared to the Colts 12/12 within normal range(although I don't know that this has been 100% confirmed?). | ||
|
Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
On January 23 2015 05:48 red_ wrote: No. Moving on. No. Moving on. Innocent until proven guilty, ok, but jurors(which in the court of public opinion, is us) are allowed to perceive guilt/innocence based on the evidence presented at any given point of a case. So far, the evidence leads a lot of us to believe the Pats guilty while we await further evidence to break the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' part. You know, hypothetically, since this isn't a court of law. I didn't listen to his entire conference, but the parts I've seen he sounded more like 'this isn't what I deal with, ask the players, specifically the QBs.' We're not the ones trying to rationalize why our balls were deflated but the other team's were fine, or why it's 'no big deal' that the teams we are fans of have been (probably) caught cheating multiple times now. I'm saying punish the team if the team is guilty. My issue is that people are making big assumptions about who is culpable. And there's the idea that because "repeated offender" that the NFL should throw the sink at the Patriots without regard to the severity of the infraction. And of course I'm going to offer alternate possibilities instead of assuming guilt. The point is I'm open to a number of possibilities including intentional interference. This whole thing is a shit show. I hope the NFL releases their statement soon. | ||
|
Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI. I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports. | ||
|
Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On January 23 2015 03:09 andrewlt wrote: He's the type of overly defensive Masshole Pats fan that give them a bad name. After reading those two posts I now know why Pats fans have a very bad reputation. | ||
|
cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
| ||
|
JimmyJRaynor
Canada17431 Posts
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12206777 both stated the under inflated ball offers an advantage | ||
|
QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
| ||
|
QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
This is on the heels of hiring Tony Sparano as the TE coach, and getting denied for an interview with Vance Joseph for the DC position. Who the fuck is Vance Joseph you may ask? Oh, just the db coach for the Bengals, who has zero coordinator experience, and was a secondary coach with the Niners during their dynasty from during hte same timeframe as Tarver. So after three trips to the NFC Title game in four years, the Niners decided to target retreads who coached there during the franchise's worst stretch in 30 fucking years, and poach shitty coaches from the Raiders. The rate at which this franchise is rapidly swirling the tubes is so astounding that I'm starting to be humored by it. | ||
|
usedtocare
United States243 Posts
On January 23 2015 07:33 Ghostcom wrote: Gryffindor_US, you know extremely little about me, and what you have extrapolated from my posts are largely wrong. If there exists a reasonable explanation for why only the pats balls systematically lost 2 PSI whilst all the Colts's retained pressure within the limits I shall gladly accept that. You are however right that I won't accept a bullshit excuse and the temperature explanation is bullshit. Even if we assume the Pats had theirs at 12.5 and the Colts had theirs at 13.5 PSI and we assume that the weather caused the entire 2 PSI drop then the math doesn't add up that the Colts's balls lost less than 1 PSI. I have no particular interest in discussing further with you - I don't accept cheating and would react equally had this been the Colts (for comparison, I stopped being a fan of Lee Chong Wei when he got busted for doping). Having myself played competitive I have very little respect for people who violate the spirit of sports. I expect you to publicly admit how much of a fool you were after official NFL statement. It's a fair thing to ask, I think, esp since you are playing your knight. | ||
| ||
