EPTBut how does this mean Love isn't an elite offensive player on the level of Dirk? I think you are confusing team success with player ability if this is the argument being made.
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
But how does this mean Love isn't an elite offensive player on the level of Dirk? I think you are confusing team success with player ability if this is the argument being made. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
There is a lot going on here that is actually very easy to see. Disregard the narratives on what a superstar looks like, and ask yourself what it actually is. Love's team is top 10 on both sides of the ball, he's showing historical, MVP level impact, and his team is 1-10 in close games but blowing teams out when they win. I swear we've had this discussion at least 10 times in the past 3 years and I've told you guys this: Win big and lose close = very, very good team. They have a strong SRS and Point differential with Love being the clear reason they win most of their games. Just LOOK at his numbers and compare them to everyone else you want to call a superstar or #1 option. This shouldn't even be a discussion. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
This years TWolves are a good team, my problem with Kevin Love (and Dirk in his day) is that it is more difficult to construct an elite roster around him than a player with a different skill set. That is just an opinion of mine. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:45 RowdierBob wrote: I think it'd be a mistake to make him 'the guy'. I've said it time and time again but Love is more prime Gasol than he is Dirk for mine. He'd be an outstanding second option but I don't think he's an elite #1 option (however unpopular this opinion may be). I don't know if it's a mistake but I have came to agree with this also. I think Love would make a better #2 or #3 option. With him as your #1 option, I see it kind of hard to win a championship given the rest of the teams in the league. The margin for error would be very small on that team. edit: word choice | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13416 Posts
On January 14 2014 23:26 Ace wrote: Well that 2011 run wasn't even Dirk's best year, and I don't count actually winning a championship in evaluating player ability. However, this Kevin Love argument is the same thing as the Garnett argument, the Dirk is a choker argument, and the Miami is 9-8 argument. There is a lot going on here that is actually very easy to see. Disregard the narratives on what a superstar looks like, and ask yourself what it actually is. Love's team is top 10 on both sides of the ball, he's showing historical, MVP level impact, and his team is 1-10 in close games but blowing teams out when they win. I swear we've had this discussion at least 10 times in the past 3 years and I've told you guys this: Win big and lose close = very, very good team. They have a strong SRS and Point differential with Love being the clear reason they win most of their games. Just LOOK at his numbers and compare them to everyone else you want to call a superstar or #1 option. This shouldn't even be a discussion. It's interesting to bring up KG. Looking at things statistically, Love is having a better year than KG in his prime Wolves days. Maybe I'm suffering from nostalgia here, but I don't think love is anywhere close to the player TWolves KG was. Stats are a tremendous resource for measuring impact and contribution of players but they don't and can't capture the entire game. K Love might go on to win, win and win some more and change minds but until his production shows up in the stats column that matters most, W/L, I think it's fair enough to question his status as one of the NBA's elite. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13416 Posts
This is Love's sixth year and his best result from a team standpoint is 31 wins. I find that a bit concerning. His individual production isn't translating to team success. Obviously you can't blame this on him. There are myriad factors that determine team success. But does it maybe show his impact isn't as great as some may think? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 15 2014 07:36 Ace wrote: Team composition has a heavy influence on W-L. When Miami won 15 games after winning the chip, then 45 did you even think Wade wasn't a superstar anymore? It's isn't even impossible to separate individual from team stats. I don't think Kobe's wins for a full or almost full season (same with LBJ) ever fell below 40 even with those terrible teams. I think its an indication of how great they are as individual players. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 15 2014 08:07 RowdierBob wrote: Certainly a valid point. The TWolves have struggled with putting a decent team around KLove. But is it any worse than the teams KG played with? This is Love's sixth year and his best result from a team standpoint is 31 wins. I find that a bit concerning. His individual production isn't translating to team success. Obviously you can't blame this on him. There are myriad factors that determine team success. But does it maybe show his impact isn't as great as some may think? KG's teams sucked but it was obvious he was having a superstar impact because people saw him do well and win an MVP award. Perception changes everything. Love's teams have been badly coached and injury riddled. Yet he's been having MVP level impact this year and was a clear star his second year. His team has a slumping K-Mart and plays Corey Brewer major minutes. Again - they started out the season HOT and were at the top of the league. Love is the same player he was then, but now they are losing. How is he no longer a superstar? | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13416 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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AppleSauce123
Denmark148 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13416 Posts
Are there any NBA 5s with a better skillset? | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
anyway. rudy ain't gonna cut it. would love to see him and K.Love on another team | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13416 Posts
On January 15 2014 12:21 Doraemon wrote: yer. he needs a complementary wing scorer/defender. imagine him on the pacers...holy crap. anyway. rudy ain't gonna cut it. would love to see him and K.Love on another team I'd love to see someone like Carlisle get his hands on him having seen what he has done with Monta. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On January 15 2014 12:33 RowdierBob wrote: I'd love to see someone like Carlisle get his hands on him having seen what he has done with Monta. what do you think about him on the suns?? would be pretty novel | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13416 Posts
His temperament is always an issue but he could really thrive in the right situation. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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