EPTNBA 2013-14 Season - Page 152
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rebdomine
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On January 13 2014 13:16 Doraemon wrote: vindi knows what's up. do you guys see love fleeing? absolutely. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On January 13 2014 10:43 RowdierBob wrote: What's wrong with Cleveland... I know that roster lacks a bit of talent but they shouldn't be getting blown out like that. Massive issues. seems to be the entire organization to me, from the owner to the coaches. no leadership from what i can tell. | ||
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N1k0
Uruguay1075 Posts
Im pretty sure his full name is Future Laker Kevin Love | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13497 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On January 14 2014 09:08 RowdierBob wrote: The only thing to keep k love in minny would be success and that's about as likely as, well, k love staying in minny. Could be a snag for Lakers with cap restrictions though. Kobes contract is a cap killer and I imagine they'll be active with signings this off season. Lakers may not be a given. The common reason people seem to think that will get Kevin Love to sign here is that he went to UCLA also the whole "playing in Los Angeles" thing. EDIT: also I just looked this up, his high school team in Oregon was also named "The Lakers" lol. I am not one of those fans that is already signing up to buy his jersey (I know a couple sadly) but I can't help but be excited at the idea. The other big question is who do we put around him once he's here assuming we offer him a max deal? I guess it's up to Mitch at that point to do what he did this season and go out and get us a bargain team that actually plays together. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On January 14 2014 10:57 icystorage wrote: i wish MWP fouls lebron the way teletovic did. I'd like to know how he'd (james) react. Little does LeBron know that Teletovic is probably a helluva lot tougher than Artest. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13497 Posts
On January 14 2014 10:51 Vindicare605 wrote: The common reason people seem to think that will get Kevin Love to sign here is that he went to UCLA also the whole "playing in Los Angeles" thing. EDIT: also I just looked this up, his high school team in Oregon was also named "The Lakers" lol. I am not one of those fans that is already signing up to buy his jersey (I know a couple sadly) but I can't help but be excited at the idea. The other big question is who do we put around him once he's here assuming we offer him a max deal? I guess it's up to Mitch at that point to do what he did this season and go out and get us a bargain team that actually plays together. I think it'd be a mistake to make him 'the guy'. I've said it time and time again but Love is more prime Gasol than he is Dirk for mine. He'd be an outstanding second option but I don't think he's an elite #1 option (however unpopular this opinion may be). | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13497 Posts
Agree/disagree? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:45 RowdierBob wrote: I think it'd be a mistake to make him 'the guy'. I've said it time and time again but Love is more prime Gasol than he is Dirk for mine. He'd be an outstanding second option but I don't think he's an elite #1 option (however unpopular this opinion may be). I actually agree with that opinion, I don't think Kevin Love is the kind of guy that can lead a team's offensive load. What he provides is much the same kind of game Gasol does, although with Love you get a ton more rebounds and with Gasol you get more offensive post play (when he's on his game anyway.) both of them are good passers and both have a decent range on their shot. Which is why my main hope is that we can somehow get them both together with a healthy Bryant leading the pack. That would be an intriguing dynamic. D'Antoni loves spacing the floor and a line up like that would definitely do it. Problem is that would still leave a team with below average rim protection and overall defense but I don't see how we can fix that with just the acquisition of one good player. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:49 RowdierBob wrote: Ok, so gonna put this out there. All the hype is about Wiggins (and even Parker in recent times) coming into the loaded 2014 draft. But if I had the #1 pick there's no way I'd be passing on Embiid. This kid reminds me so much of Hakeem with his movement and potential. Agree/disagree? Oh wow I don't really follow college basketball at the moment but I looked this kid up after this post, and wow. He certainly shows potential for being as versatile as Hakeem and his post game is already better than a lot of NBA centers. He runs the floor and shoots the jumpshot like a guy much shorter than he is as well. Love his game already. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
ETA: I'd actually like some hardcore evidence as to why you can't see this guy as a clear #1. He's putting up historically good numbers right now, just as good as prime Dirk. And I'm only talking about his offense. If this guy isn't able to carry the offensive load I need to know your definitions of who can in the league. Realize the Wolves are top 10 in both ORTG and DRTG, 7th in SRS! and Love's defense has been solid. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On January 14 2014 19:48 Ace wrote: Love is clearly a #1 option guy. Offensive numbers are off the charts. Rebounding in all areas off the charts. Free throw generating off the charts. I don't know what else you'd need to see him as a #1. ETA: I'd actually like some hardcore evidence as to why you can't see this guy as a clear #1. He's putting up historically good numbers right now, just as good as prime Dirk. And I'm only talking about his offense. If this guy isn't able to carry the offensive load I need to know your definitions of who can in the league. Realize the Wolves are top 10 in both ORTG and DRTG, 7th in SRS! and Love's defense has been solid. He's clearly a #1 option guy, he's already proved that, RowdierRob's argument was that he wasn't "Elite" I usually define that by Championship caliber. Can a team win a title with Love as their primary option? That's where the Dirk vs Gasol comparison comes from. I mean that's obviously a question that can't really objectively be answered since there are so many other factors involved with what makes a team title worthy, which is why it's just a subjective speculation. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13497 Posts
It's purely an arbitrary definition from my perspective. I didn't say he wasn't a #1 option just not an elite one. I still believe he'd be better suited as a number two type guy. There's no accurate definition of what a number one, two, three etc is. It's just an opinion (cop out alert  )Maybe I'll change my mind if the T Wolves actually start winning and make the Playoffs one year... Aren't the T Wolves giving up the highest % of made shots at the rim this year? K Love's poor lateral movement is always going to hurt him on D. I'd be intrigued to see what makes him solid. I still think there's a bit of stat padding about his game. Wonderful offensive talent, not yet convinced about him on D. Rebounding numbers are pretty but overrated IMO. Happy to be proved wrong though, I'd be keen to see a stats analysis of him. FWIW, I'd take the following guys as a #1 (both ends of the floor count, mind you) over K Love: LBJ Durant Paul George Curry (his D is just as bad but I think PG defence is less important than PF). Then there are a bunch of guys I'd have K Love on par with. | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
How are the Wolves so good on offense if Love isn't a #1 option, and are currently the 7th strongest team in the league? Don't need a "correct" answer here, just want to see how you believe teams are constructed and win games. Curry (his D is just as bad but I think PG defence is less important than PF). I see what you're saying but that isn't exactly true. Big man (PF or C) defense is the most important of all since protecting the rim is #1 step in not getting your shit pushed in defensively. However, perimeter defense is still important so those same bigs don't get fucked. Having an impact defender on defense, especially from the PG spot is crucial because the game is played on both ends. No all time level defender can survive with bad perimeter defense surrounding him. @doraemon: Yea he does use lots of little tricks that never get called (holding guys shorts coming of a pick has to happen 3-4 times a game) but he is legit that good. He's got a high impact on defense because like the best perimeter defenders, he crushes PnRs and fights through screens. When you get guys like Rubio, Paul and Rondo that get a ton of steals on the ball that's a pretty valuable thing. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
also. i don't think vindi or rowdier were arguing that Love isn't a number 1 option at the moment, merely that he would be more valuable or have a greater impact as a secondary option. | ||
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