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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Patent and research results is a muddy field, but I want to point out that a lot of research is only possible due to private company funding/collaboration, with the stipulation that they are entitled to use anything that come with the research. Such excellent research that the IMF funds that gives them a reason to impose recommentations that tell austerity in Greece is great for the country and big pharmacy companies finding a similar drug that does the same thing as the generic drug but can be patented as a new drug. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:28 wei2coolman wrote: For all the white folks, remember yango and csheep are some sort of han asian, so our cultural background consists of functional education above all else. Except we're debating from different sides of the argument, which you'd know if you'd actually read the discussion? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:31 Ketara wrote: Wow no comment on my rape joke. I thought that one was fairly spectacular i thought the idea was good but the execution was full of holes hue | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:32 TheYango wrote: Except we're debating from different sides of the argument, which you'd know if you'd actually read the discussion? Imo you have the same general opinion as csheep with more caveats. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:29 Eppa! wrote: Such excellent research that the IMF funds that gives them a reason to impose recommentations that tell austerity in Greece is great for the country and big pharmacy companies finding a similar drug that does the same thing as the generic drug but can be patented as a new drug. Er I have no idea what you're trying to say. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Er I have no idea what you're trying to say. That a bad value research tend be company funded and good value research tend to be state funded. There is a reason why new drugs released has 0 correlation with R&D costs in drug research in pharmacy companies. I saw ex machina yesterday I was a good movie but with some obvious plot holes. Also WaveofShadows why didn't you tell use you where in a movie? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:42 Eppa! wrote: That a bad value research tend be company funded and good value research tend to be state funded. There is a reason why new drugs released has 0 correlation with R&D costs in drug research in pharmacy companies. The line between private and state-funded research gets pretty blurry when you have organizations that are partially funded both ways and individual groups/researchers that move between the two on a micro level. At the extreme ends of purely-state funded or purely private-funded research you could say that, but using that to drive policy-making that affects the much larger gray area in between is still quite questionable. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:45 TheYango wrote: The line between private and state-funded research gets pretty blurry when you have organizations that are partially funded both ways and individual groups/researchers that move between the two on a micro level. At the extreme ends of purely-state funded or purely private-funded research you could say that, but using that to drive policy-making that affects the much larger gray area in between is still quite questionable. Its not really questionable to use grey areas as a basis for change when american universities are have having a monetary crisis. In fact it is an excellent time to change the foundation for them to lay the groundwork for a financially failing and critical part of the country. On May 21 2015 02:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I mean we're not discussing the quality of privately vs. publicly funded research (the differentiation here is a whole topic unto itself anyways). Your original point was universities should sell research, but a lot of the research they have can't be sold due to how funding works. A lot of research isn't and it really time to change the fact that leveraging the costs of the state into companies profits is a problem which needs to be solved either by the state getting profits back directly or selling the costs to the companies. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:52 Eppa! wrote: Its not really questionable to use grey areas as a basis for change when american universities are have having a monetary crisis. In fact it is an excellent time to change the foundation for them to lay the groundwork for a financially failing and critical part of the country. Well, universities aren't the ones that are financially failing so there's no incentive for them to change policy. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:36 Slayer91 wrote: i thought the idea was good but the execution was full of holes hue All the holes were filled though | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On May 21 2015 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Just to put it in a little perspective : I didn't expect to get in where I did on the first try as its the only English speaking school in Canada. I fully planned on trying again in a year and also applying to US schools. In total I paid something between 60-70k in tuition for my entire time here (4 years). Some of the US schools are upwards of 40k/year. 60-70k tuition for 4 years would be about equivalent to going to an instate school for 4 years in most states(still depends on school, there are some super cheap state schools). OSU is ~10k/yr tuition, then add on R&B. Graduate school tends to be more expensive but has far better financial aid/work study/assitance programs. Plus more employers offer aid for graduate study than undergrad(although that could be more about employment basically requiring a degree at this point at any place that would incentivize their employees to further their education). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:52 Eppa! wrote: Its not really questionable to use grey areas as a basis for change when american universities are have having a monetary crisis. In fact it is an excellent time to change the foundation for them to lay the groundwork for a financially failing and critical part of the country. You sort of misinterpreted my point. At one end of the spectrum, you have purely privately funded research. At the other end you have purely government funded research. However, neither end of the spectrum represents the vast majority of research that gets funded through a multitude of sources both public and private. That purely private research produces "bad" research and purely public research doesn't does not speak to the quality of the middle ground, which can be negatively affected by policies that attempt to shift research funding away from private sources toward public ones. A whole lot of research that gets mixed funding is good research and even if you feel like shifting money away from private-funded research is getting away from the "bad" research, you're still negatively impacting a lot of research that's done in that middle ground. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Well, universities aren't the ones that are financially failing so there's no incentive for them to change policy. A lot of them are? http://www.economist.com/node/21559936 | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 21 2015 02:42 Eppa! wrote: That a bad value research tend be company funded and good value research tend to be state funded. There is a reason why new drugs released has 0 correlation with R&D costs in drug research in pharmacy companies. I saw ex machina yesterday I was a good movie but with some obvious plot holes. Also WaveofShadows why didn't you tell use you where in a movie? Wut And ketara the only English speaking school for my profession | ||
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