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Baa?21244 Posts
On May 21 2015 03:03 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 02:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On May 21 2015 02:52 Eppa! wrote:On May 21 2015 02:45 TheYango wrote:On May 21 2015 02:42 Eppa! wrote:
That a bad value research tend be company funded and good value research tend to be state funded. There is a reason why new drugs released has 0 correlation with R&D costs in drug research in pharmacy companies. The line between private and state-funded research gets pretty blurry when you have organizations that are partially funded both ways and individual groups/researchers that move between the two on a micro level. At the extreme ends of purely-state funded or purely private-funded research you could say that, but using that to drive policy-making that affects the much larger gray area in between is still quite questionable. Its not really questionable to use grey areas as a basis for change when american universities are have having a monetary crisis. In fact it is an excellent time to change the foundation for them to lay the groundwork for a financially failing and critical part of the country. Well, universities aren't the ones that are financially failing so there's no incentive for them to change policy. A lot of them are? http://www.economist.com/node/21559936
All that article states is that colleges are taking on more debt, which isn't inherently a sign of financial instability. The article then goes on to throw in a line about student debt, which has no direct bearing on the financial health of colleges. Nor does the state of private lending have a direct effect.
The article is just a scare article that throws a bunch fo scary sounding terms and numbers and figures and conflates a few different angles into one grossly simplified (to the point of duplicity) narrative.
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The article is basically saying what I already said before which is that top universities make decisions that are essentially a money sink with no real return and sustain it via their massively large endowments.
That's not exactly anything new, surprising, or exciting. It's also the only way top universities actually get anything done, lol.
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On May 21 2015 03:11 TheYango wrote:
The article is basically saying what I already said before which is that top universities make decisions that are essentially a money sink with no real return and sustain it via their massively large endowments.
That's not exactly anything new, surprising, or exciting. It's also the only way top universities actually get anything done, lol.
Well, it works until it doesn't. And it's hard to say when/if endowments will ever stop. So for top universities I don't think there's any pressing need to overhaul policies.
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On May 21 2015 02:39 Cixah wrote:
I am Gold Nova 1 with a KD of 2 and 20 in 6 games. THere is no way I should be GN1.
I'm not sure what game this is supposed to be referencing
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On May 21 2015 03:17 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 02:39 Cixah wrote:
I am Gold Nova 1 with a KD of 2 and 20 in 6 games. THere is no way I should be GN1. I'm not sure what game this is supposed to be referencing
Sounds like CSGO.
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Yeah, csgo. Basically, he's fucking terrible.
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On May 20 2015 23:57 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
This superficially plausible stance gets flaunted all the time since it sets up the seemingly reasonable breakdown of sometimes it's worth it to go to college and sometimes it's not, but the reality is, the former scenario is magnitudes more common than the latter scenario. I'd be interested if there were any organized study supporting this. My personal experience is biased by people who went into STEM which overwhelmingly necessitates a college diploma (and often more) to get anywhere professionally so anecdotally, I don't have enough experience to pass judgment.
alright this is going several pages back but you've posted something along these lines several times and it my experience the T in STEM is actually one of the few (well-paying) fields you can make it in without a degree relatively easily as long as you have the requisite skillset.
I mean this is primarily based on personal experience + the whole "there are lots of famous people in tech who are college dropouts" thing and not real data, so I could be wrong I suppose.
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On May 21 2015 03:29 Crusnik wrote:
Yeah, csgo. Basically, he's fucking terrible.
Thanks man.
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I feel like your resume would need to be pretty stacked with a portfolio of personal projects to compete with someone who has a degree for a job in the T field
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On May 21 2015 03:51 ComaDose wrote:
I feel like your resume would need to be pretty stacked with a portfolio of personal projects to compete with someone who has a degree for a job in the T field
I mean speaking from personal experience all you really need to do is get a phone screen, they don't really care about your resume after that. I got in the door back at my first "good" job because I had a lot of reputation on stack overflow lol.
From there getting interviews is trivial because you've proven that you're not a donkey
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On May 21 2015 03:46 eieio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 23:57 TheYango wrote:On May 20 2015 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
This superficially plausible stance gets flaunted all the time since it sets up the seemingly reasonable breakdown of sometimes it's worth it to go to college and sometimes it's not, but the reality is, the former scenario is magnitudes more common than the latter scenario. I'd be interested if there were any organized study supporting this. My personal experience is biased by people who went into STEM which overwhelmingly necessitates a college diploma (and often more) to get anywhere professionally so anecdotally, I don't have enough experience to pass judgment. alright this is going several pages back but you've posted something along these lines several times and it my experience the T in STEM is actually one of the few (well-paying) fields you can make it in without a degree relatively easily as long as you have the requisite skillset. I mean this is primarily based on personal experience + the whole "there are lots of famous people in tech who are college dropouts" thing and not real data, so I could be wrong I suppose.
No, you're right, and it was actually silly of me to forget that when my degree was in a "T" field and I have friends/co-workers who made it that way also.
Though my gut feeling is that a college dropout would still be viewed differently than someone who deliberately chose not to go to college in the first place, but I have nothing to really back that up with.
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Yanger you just a bad Asian. That's why you had to get a degree instead of just walking in.
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Baa?21244 Posts
On May 21 2015 03:59 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 03:46 eieio wrote:On May 20 2015 23:57 TheYango wrote:On May 20 2015 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
This superficially plausible stance gets flaunted all the time since it sets up the seemingly reasonable breakdown of sometimes it's worth it to go to college and sometimes it's not, but the reality is, the former scenario is magnitudes more common than the latter scenario. I'd be interested if there were any organized study supporting this. My personal experience is biased by people who went into STEM which overwhelmingly necessitates a college diploma (and often more) to get anywhere professionally so anecdotally, I don't have enough experience to pass judgment. alright this is going several pages back but you've posted something along these lines several times and it my experience the T in STEM is actually one of the few (well-paying) fields you can make it in without a degree relatively easily as long as you have the requisite skillset. I mean this is primarily based on personal experience + the whole "there are lots of famous people in tech who are college dropouts" thing and not real data, so I could be wrong I suppose. No, you're right, and it was actually silly of me to forget that when my degree was in a "T" field and I have friends/co-workers who made it that way also. Though my gut feeling is that a college dropout would still be viewed differently than someone who deliberately chose not to go to college in the first place, but I have nothing to really back that up with.
Well considering the frequently cited "succeeded without a degree" examples like Zuckerberg and Gates were drop-outs as opposed to "I don't wanna go to college," I think that's a reasonable assumption.
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No, I'm a good Asian because to Asians the only feasible route is the straight and narrow one through a 4-year degree program, lol.
On May 21 2015 04:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Well considering the frequently cited "succeeded without a degree" examples like Zuckerberg and Gates were drop-outs as opposed to "I don't wanna go to college," I think that's a reasonable assumption.
Well they also happened to go to a particular prestigious and well-known college, lol, and I feel that the pedigree of said prestigious institution has a lot more to do with that than the actual distinction between a dropout and someone who didn't go.
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On May 21 2015 04:03 TheYango wrote:No, I'm a good Asian because to Asians the only feasible route is the straight and narrow one through a 4-year degree program, lol. Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 04:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Well considering the frequently cited "succeeded without a degree" examples like Zuckerberg and Gates were drop-outs as opposed to "I don't wanna go to college," I think that's a reasonable assumption. Well they also happened to go to a particular prestigious and well-known college, lol, and I feel that the pedigree of said prestigious institution has a lot more to do with that than the actual distinction between a dropout and someone who didn't go.
People are also naturally going to frown upon your dropout status less when your reason for dropping out is creating a revolutionary enterprise.
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On May 21 2015 03:50 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 03:29 Crusnik wrote:
Yeah, csgo. Basically, he's fucking terrible. Thanks man.
Calling it as it is bby. I would probably only be slightly better/worse, don't worry lol.
I wish fps games could capture me like black ops and bf3 did, those games were fun 
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On May 21 2015 03:57 eieio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2015 03:51 ComaDose wrote:
I feel like your resume would need to be pretty stacked with a portfolio of personal projects to compete with someone who has a degree for a job in the T field I mean speaking from personal experience all you really need to do is get a phone screen, they don't really care about your resume after that. I got in the door back at my first "good" job because I had a lot of reputation on stack overflow lol. From there getting interviews is trivial because you've proven that you're not a donkey
ahaha yeah stack overflow reputation is so valuable! like arguably more practically valuable than a degree. ive learned more from that than I did in school for sure. the ol' "google problem, choose stack overflow result, copy paste" method is basically the description of my job. most jobs in the T field probably.
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What does STEM stand for?
Science IT Engineering Medical?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Science technology engineering mathematics
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On May 21 2015 04:11 Ketara wrote:
What does STEM stand for?
Science IT Engineering Medical?
Science Technology Engineering Math
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EPT
