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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 20 2020 17:06 GMT
#1521
On September 21 2020 02:05 royalroadweed wrote:
How long until someone makes multiple threads shitting on feardragon on r/starcraft? So do those only apply to nathanias?

just because it's wrong to do it against Nathanias doesn't mean it justifies doing it to feardragon
Faker is the GOAT!
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 20 2020 17:06 GMT
#1522
On September 21 2020 02:03 Wardi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:58 Argonauta wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:55 WardiTV wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:52 Argonauta wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t



What exactly do you want? Because honestly wardiii, you can read a lot of "based god wardii saviour of sc2 and esports" kind of coments around here too.


Nothing really, I just want to be able to finish a day of work and not feel like shit that I let people down and that I'm taking up peoples space that could do a better job than me.

Saviour of sc2 and esports =/= good caster, people are also very clear about that when they always say "I respect what he does, but I can't stand his casting because xyz." Yeah I do a lot of cool tournaments and stuff but at the end of the day I don't stand up to the other casters in the scene.



I dont know, I feel you have a lot of great "good caster comments" too, look at this thread. 1 bad 5 good. Maybe dont put so much weigth onto them?, Im sad you feel shitty after your workday but maybe its not the fault of the criticism but other factors? If its that then yes, Stop reading them.


TL is always nice to me tbh, just venting from some stuff I read elsewhere mostly


Great to hear. also using this site to venting is a nice strategy. And that negative comment was also well mannered too.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 20 2020 17:06 GMT
#1523
Most pros stay up late. Not too big of a deal.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
September 20 2020 17:07 GMT
#1524
On September 21 2020 02:05 Waxangel wrote:
How early in the series do you think we see the game where Trap goes "u know what lemme see how late-game plays out" only to learn his lesson and never do it again?

Eh depends on map order

Also I've seen him beat Rogue and Solar late game, it can't be much easier than beating Reynor
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 20 2020 17:07 GMT
#1525
On September 21 2020 01:59 Calliope wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:52 RKC wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:50 Calliope wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:43 RKC wrote:
I'm all for realism - that a big part of war is driven by economy.

But in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers...


The supply efficiency of the banelings is so high. With a higher supply demand there would perhaps not be so many that battles are instantly over, but requiring more micro.


Yes, my point exactly. The fact that 50% worker is optimal doesn't show so much that the war game is driven by actual economics, but how broken certain units are.


Yes and the snowballing economic advantage leads to this slow death rattle as banes role in and erase expansions in the blink of a moment. It is really difficult to find enjoyment from this slow inevitability as a viewer. I think changes favouring early action, like the hellbat pushes would make for a better viewer experience.


I'm a casual viewer. So I can't comment on actual balance too much.

Of late, TvZ has been frustrating to watch. I'm actually pro-T in BW, but originally pro-Z in SC2 (I didn't like how efficient MMM were). But in past 1-2 years, seems like the pendulum has shifted. Everything T throws at Z can get countered with the same strat (Queens hold the fort, delay long enough for banes and mutas to pop). Even if a base dies, they can easily drone up and stabilise. It's just gotten really stale to watch.
gg no re thx
Javah
Profile Joined August 2010
France739 Posts
September 20 2020 17:07 GMT
#1526
On September 21 2020 01:50 WardiTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:25 Lexender wrote:
I gotta admit I really dislike how much Wardi tries to be a "good guy" caster.

He just is incapable of saying one player played bad and that's why he lost, its always "the build was good to be this player is such a god that he came back from a position etc etc".

I don't think theres anything wrong with that and its only my opinion but it feels disengenuos sometimes.


I mean, I say stuff like that a lot on my own stream, but then I get flamed and told to never cast again because how dare I be the one to deem somebody played badly. Kind of puts you off.

Honestly kind of done with reading feedback and chat etc, my mentality isn't good again for it lately and I honestly think I might have to take a step back from casting for a while because of it. I know it's a vocal minority and you can't please everyone etc but it just feels impossible to be happy with what I do lately, maybe better to just let the better casters take my place until I'm actually ready to do a proper job of it t-t

Wardi you're amazing!!! Chin up boss!
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 17:08:38
September 20 2020 17:08 GMT
#1527
On September 21 2020 02:03 stilt wrote:
Before Uthermal, was what the last time a foreign T won a premier tournament ?
Around 4 years with Thorzain winning the dh now ?

Non-koreans are genetically predisposed to not playing terran well I suppose.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 20 2020 17:08 GMT
#1528
now is when Trap 4-0s reynor
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 20 2020 17:09 GMT
#1529
On September 21 2020 02:06 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:05 royalroadweed wrote:
How long until someone makes multiple threads shitting on feardragon on r/starcraft? So do those only apply to nathanias?

just because it's wrong to do it against Nathanias doesn't mean it justifies doing it to feardragon

I was mocking the trend.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
September 20 2020 17:09 GMT
#1530
On September 21 2020 02:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 01:58 AttackZerg wrote:
This is how a scene dies. People who do nothing and never have, bully and mistreat people that do contribute.

Happened in bw as well. Assholes have been tolerated too long.


Oh bullshit, don't give us that.

People are critical because they care. Do you know when a scene actually dies? When no one cares enough to point out when a performance is sub par.

Apathy is the killer. Criticism is the result of passion. Learn the difference.


You can be critical and then you can be a straight up ass. Many fans conflate the two. It's weirdly aggressive the way people attack these casters. Look in Twitch chat when people saw ZG and Maynarde were shown as the casters for the grand finals. Literally 100s of THANK GOD ITS NOT FEARDRAGON AND WARDI. That's just freaking stupid. I think Pig and Rotti makes more sense for this match up, but you won't see me being disrespectful about it.

And for the record I didn't think Lexender's comment was meant to cause a shit storm. I was surprised Wardi reacted in that way.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 17:10:26
September 20 2020 17:10 GMT
#1531
On September 21 2020 02:09 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:06 AzAlexZ wrote:
On September 21 2020 02:05 royalroadweed wrote:
How long until someone makes multiple threads shitting on feardragon on r/starcraft? So do those only apply to nathanias?

just because it's wrong to do it against Nathanias doesn't mean it justifies doing it to feardragon

I was mocking the trend.

dammit this is the second time today I misunderstood someone's post sorry
Faker is the GOAT!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33597 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 17:11:33
September 20 2020 17:11 GMT
#1532
On September 21 2020 02:08 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:03 stilt wrote:
Before Uthermal, was what the last time a foreign T won a premier tournament ?
Around 4 years with Thorzain winning the dh now ?

Non-koreans are genetically predisposed to not playing terran well I suppose.


Just my (unpopular?) opinion, but I think the SC2 player base has thinned out enough so that it's really heavily subject to variance as to which races end up with the top-tier talent. Kind of like fighting games/smash melee and which characters ended up getting mained by the most talented players.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
September 20 2020 17:11 GMT
#1533
On September 21 2020 02:05 Waxangel wrote:
How early in the series do you think we see the game where Trap goes "u know what lemme see how late-game plays out" only to learn his lesson and never do it again?

It will happen in one of the first two games for sure
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
September 20 2020 17:11 GMT
#1534
G L A I V E

S T R I D E

R E L I A B A L L

let's do it Trap
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
September 20 2020 17:11 GMT
#1535
Wardi you moved up like 2 tiers in terms of casting for me in the last years.
Not yet elite Rotti/Artosis tier, but right below it.
You also improved a lot in terms of entertainment factor and your game knowledge is really high.
Your synergy with Rotti, DeMuslim or Harstem has become excellent.
Also you are a great host.

That being said, I don't think reading comments on TL is good for your mental health (it sure is not for mine and I do not even have to put myself into the spotlight in front of a tons of bitter people).
Just keep up the good work and focus on the positives, you have come a long way!
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 20 2020 17:12 GMT
#1536
On September 21 2020 02:11 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:08 royalroadweed wrote:
On September 21 2020 02:03 stilt wrote:
Before Uthermal, was what the last time a foreign T won a premier tournament ?
Around 4 years with Thorzain winning the dh now ?

Non-koreans are genetically predisposed to not playing terran well I suppose.


Just my (unpopular?) opinion, but I think the SC2 player base has thinned out enough so that it's really heavily subject to variance as to which races end up with the top-tier talent. Kind of like fighting games/smash melee and which characters ended up getting mained by the most talented players.


Or the variance of which top-tier players end up with the stronger races?
gg no re thx
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 20 2020 17:12 GMT
#1537
On September 21 2020 02:09 kaykoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:00 Vindicare605 wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:58 AttackZerg wrote:
This is how a scene dies. People who do nothing and never have, bully and mistreat people that do contribute.

Happened in bw as well. Assholes have been tolerated too long.


Oh bullshit, don't give us that.

People are critical because they care. Do you know when a scene actually dies? When no one cares enough to point out when a performance is sub par.

Apathy is the killer. Criticism is the result of passion. Learn the difference.


You can be critical and then you can be a straight up ass. Many fans conflate the two. It's weirdly aggressive the way people attack these casters. Look in Twitch chat when people saw ZG and Maynarde were shown as the casters for the grand finals. Literally 100s of THANK GOD ITS NOT FEARDRAGON AND WARDI. That's just freaking stupid. I think Pig and Rotti makes more sense for this match up, but you won't see me being disrespectful about it.

And for the record I didn't think Lexender's comment was meant to cause a shit storm. I was surprised Wardi reacted in that way.


There's an obvious difference when someone is being a hater and when someone is offering honest criticism. Putting a blanket label on ALL criticism doesn't help anybody it just shelters people that can't handle criticism.

I don't know about Wardii, but I know Feardragon can tell the difference, he'll take that shit on the chin. If you're going to be a public personality then learning how to deal with Twitch chat is something you're just going to have to do. If you can't handle Twitch chat, then honestly what are you doing being a streamer in the first place?
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
September 20 2020 17:13 GMT
#1538
On September 21 2020 02:08 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:03 stilt wrote:
Before Uthermal, was what the last time a foreign T won a premier tournament ?
Around 4 years with Thorzain winning the dh now ?

Non-koreans are genetically predisposed to not playing terran well I suppose.


Although it's weird, I think every region has its preferred race. Europe has always been Zerg heavy, Korea has always had lots of Terrans at the top. And in NA I kind of feel like Protoss has traditionally been doing quite well.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7499 Posts
September 20 2020 17:13 GMT
#1539
I can't believe how many people are dismissing Trap.

He is so strong. The only zerg I can't see him winning a major match against at all is dark, who seems to have a special anti-trap feature to his bag of builds.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33597 Posts
September 20 2020 17:14 GMT
#1540
On September 21 2020 02:12 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:11 Waxangel wrote:
On September 21 2020 02:08 royalroadweed wrote:
On September 21 2020 02:03 stilt wrote:
Before Uthermal, was what the last time a foreign T won a premier tournament ?
Around 4 years with Thorzain winning the dh now ?

Non-koreans are genetically predisposed to not playing terran well I suppose.


Just my (unpopular?) opinion, but I think the SC2 player base has thinned out enough so that it's really heavily subject to variance as to which races end up with the top-tier talent. Kind of like fighting games/smash melee and which characters ended up getting mained by the most talented players.


Or the variance of which top-tier players end up with the stronger races?


I think it's VERY hard to distinguish which way it is from a fan perspective
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