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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33597 Posts
September 20 2020 17:25 GMT
#1561
Lurkers were localized to "Spine Hell" in Korean, which is kind of how I feel now
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 20 2020 17:25 GMT
#1562
you can feel the ping in both sides compared to the ZvT series.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7499 Posts
September 20 2020 17:27 GMT
#1563
The most impressive micro in this game (coming from a bw perspective) is the variety of splits the players at the top can pull off.

Just insane.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33597 Posts
September 20 2020 17:28 GMT
#1564
On September 21 2020 02:20 darklycid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:20 kaykoose wrote:
Now back on topic. Protoss OP

He says while reynor goes up to 63 drones and defends anyways


Trap actually have a window to pressure and do dmg with Disruptors without Vipers being out to hard counter them is what the early game adv bought. And he might still lose soooo ionno :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 20 2020 17:28 GMT
#1565
Have disruptors rendered HTs redundant in both PvZ and PvT?
gg no re thx
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 20 2020 17:28 GMT
#1566
If i'm trap after this game i'm not using Disruptors again. The ping is too high.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7168 Posts
September 20 2020 17:28 GMT
#1567
at this point of the game you already know that Trap cant win.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 20 2020 17:29 GMT
#1568
On September 21 2020 02:28 RKC wrote:
Have disruptors rendered HTs redundant in both PvZ and PvT?


Disruptors can't hit air. Huge benefit to Storm that they can't match.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
September 20 2020 17:29 GMT
#1569
On September 21 2020 02:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
If i'm trap after this game i'm not using Disruptors again. The ping is too high.


I would say thats why ruptors are better than normal
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
September 20 2020 17:29 GMT
#1570
On September 21 2020 02:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
If i'm trap after this game i'm not using Disruptors again. The ping is too high.


Well, next game should be Trap favoured in terms of ping? Could be hard for Reynor to react to disruptors.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
September 20 2020 17:29 GMT
#1571
yoink - tongue - death
I Protoss winner, could it be?
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4418 Posts
September 20 2020 17:30 GMT
#1572
Vipers are so dumb
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
September 20 2020 17:30 GMT
#1573
If it wasn't because of the ping. Trap would have won the map already.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 20 2020 17:30 GMT
#1574
disruptors are amazing as usual, trap's army movement is brow-raising.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28527 Posts
September 20 2020 17:31 GMT
#1575
On September 21 2020 02:30 JJH777 wrote:
Vipers are so dumb

abduct for sure is
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 20 2020 17:31 GMT
#1576
On September 21 2020 02:31 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:30 JJH777 wrote:
Vipers are so dumb

abduct for sure is


Feels like Spawn Broodlings with smartcasting sometimes.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Calliope
Profile Joined July 2018
297 Posts
September 20 2020 17:32 GMT
#1577
On September 21 2020 02:20 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2020 02:14 Calliope wrote:
On September 21 2020 02:07 RKC wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:59 Calliope wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:52 RKC wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:50 Calliope wrote:
On September 21 2020 01:43 RKC wrote:
I'm all for realism - that a big part of war is driven by economy.

But in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers...


The supply efficiency of the banelings is so high. With a higher supply demand there would perhaps not be so many that battles are instantly over, but requiring more micro.


Yes, my point exactly. The fact that 50% worker is optimal doesn't show so much that the war game is driven by actual economics, but how broken certain units are.


Yes and the snowballing economic advantage leads to this slow death rattle as banes role in and erase expansions in the blink of a moment. It is really difficult to find enjoyment from this slow inevitability as a viewer. I think changes favouring early action, like the hellbat pushes would make for a better viewer experience.


I'm a casual viewer. So I can't comment on actual balance too much.

Of late, TvZ has been frustrating to watch. I'm actually pro-T in BW, but originally pro-Z in SC2 (I didn't like how efficient MMM were). But in past 1-2 years, seems like the pendulum has shifted. Everything T throws at Z can get countered with the same strat (Queens hold the fort, delay long enough for banes and mutas to pop). Even if a base dies, they can easily drone up and stabilise. It's just gotten really stale to watch.


I am a zerg player too, but dia, nowhere close to a pro. My criticism of the game comes solely from a viewer's perspective and I what I believe hurts it the most is the thing you point out regarding the queen. Unless I'm watching live I skip all TvZs to the 5 min mark because watching queens defend hellions/reapers/BCs/banshees etc while the drone count reaches 70 is stale. This has gone on for 3 years and the game needs change lest it die completely.


The increased worker start in LOTV definitely is a contributing factor. I can't believe I'm missing proxy rax cheeses (used to hate them). Recently, in ASTL finals, Flash managed to execute a perfect bunker rush against Action's fast expo (which is standard). The game ended in 5 minutes, but the suspense was worth every second. It's a game that has so much rewatch value.

Sorry, don't mean to start a BW-SC2 debate. Just a recent analogy that came to mind (partly since there isn't many quick games in SC2 nowadays that I can think of).


No, I completely agree. I used to watch BW back when the players' names were Boxer and Yellow, so probably at a time when it wasn't very figured out compared to now. But the quick, hyper micro intense games is part of the unique allure of esports I feel. There are no periods, the game can finish at any nerve-wracking second. In early WoL, Tastosis used to scream "bit by bit!" when someone pulled the boys in an early allin.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
September 20 2020 17:33 GMT
#1578
Business as usual for Trap. Knock out the Terran favorite just to get embarassed by the Zerg.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
September 20 2020 17:33 GMT
#1579
On September 21 2020 02:29 Penev wrote:
yoink - tongue - death

So true, I hate the design of the retarded "kill" spell from the Viper.
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 20 2020 17:33 GMT
#1580
On September 21 2020 02:28 Luolis wrote:
at this point of the game you already know that Trap cant win.


Haha - miracles can happen. Soulkey should have never been able to come back against a 3-0 deficit against Innovation in that GSL finals (especially since Innovation was so dominant during that period)
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
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