Trap actually have a window to pressure and do dmg with Disruptors without Vipers being out to hard counter them is what the early game adv bought. And he might still lose soooo ionno :o

RKC

2848 Posts

September 20 2020 17:28 GMT

#1565

Have disruptors rendered HTs redundant in both PvZ and PvT?

Vindicare605

United States16126 Posts

September 20 2020 17:28 GMT

#1566

If i'm trap after this game i'm not using Disruptors again. The ping is too high.

Luolis

Finland7195 Posts

September 20 2020 17:28 GMT

#1567

at this point of the game you already know that Trap cant win.

Vindicare605

United States16126 Posts

September 20 2020 17:29 GMT

#1568

On September 21 2020 02:28 RKC wrote:
Have disruptors rendered HTs redundant in both PvZ and PvT?

Disruptors can't hit air. Huge benefit to Storm that they can't match.

ilax30

720 Posts

September 20 2020 17:29 GMT

#1569

On September 21 2020 02:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
If i'm trap after this game i'm not using Disruptors again. The ping is too high.

I would say thats why ruptors are better than normal

Swisslink

2958 Posts

September 20 2020 17:29 GMT

#1570

On September 21 2020 02:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
If i'm trap after this game i'm not using Disruptors again. The ping is too high.

Well, next game should be Trap favoured in terms of ping? Could be hard for Reynor to react to disruptors.

Penev

28536 Posts

September 20 2020 17:29 GMT

#1571

yoink - tongue - death

JJH777

United States4420 Posts

September 20 2020 17:30 GMT

#1572

Vipers are so dumb

Argonauta

Spain4967 Posts

September 20 2020 17:30 GMT

#1573

If it wasn't because of the ping. Trap would have won the map already.

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

September 20 2020 17:30 GMT

#1574

disruptors are amazing as usual, trap's army movement is brow-raising.

Penev

28536 Posts

September 20 2020 17:31 GMT

#1575

On September 21 2020 02:30 JJH777 wrote:
Vipers are so dumb

abduct for sure is

Fanatic-Templar

Canada5819 Posts

September 20 2020 17:31 GMT

#1576

On September 21 2020 02:31 Penev wrote:

Show nested quote +

abduct for sure is

Feels like Spawn Broodlings with smartcasting sometimes.

Calliope

297 Posts

September 20 2020 17:32 GMT

#1577

On September 21 2020 02:20 RKC wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 21 2020 02:14 Calliope wrote:

On September 21 2020 02:07 RKC wrote:

On September 21 2020 01:59 Calliope wrote:

On September 21 2020 01:52 RKC wrote:

On September 21 2020 01:50 Calliope wrote:

On September 21 2020 01:43 RKC wrote:
I'm all for realism - that a big part of war is driven by economy.

But in a war game, just feels weird that the optimal winning strategy is having 50% of unit supply in workers...

The supply efficiency of the banelings is so high. With a higher supply demand there would perhaps not be so many that battles are instantly over, but requiring more micro.

Yes, my point exactly. The fact that 50% worker is optimal doesn't show so much that the war game is driven by actual economics, but how broken certain units are.

Yes and the snowballing economic advantage leads to this slow death rattle as banes role in and erase expansions in the blink of a moment. It is really difficult to find enjoyment from this slow inevitability as a viewer. I think changes favouring early action, like the hellbat pushes would make for a better viewer experience.

I'm a casual viewer. So I can't comment on actual balance too much.

Of late, TvZ has been frustrating to watch. I'm actually pro-T in BW, but originally pro-Z in SC2 (I didn't like how efficient MMM were). But in past 1-2 years, seems like the pendulum has shifted. Everything T throws at Z can get countered with the same strat (Queens hold the fort, delay long enough for banes and mutas to pop). Even if a base dies, they can easily drone up and stabilise. It's just gotten really stale to watch.

I am a zerg player too, but dia, nowhere close to a pro. My criticism of the game comes solely from a viewer's perspective and I what I believe hurts it the most is the thing you point out regarding the queen. Unless I'm watching live I skip all TvZs to the 5 min mark because watching queens defend hellions/reapers/BCs/banshees etc while the drone count reaches 70 is stale. This has gone on for 3 years and the game needs change lest it die completely.

The increased worker start in LOTV definitely is a contributing factor. I can't believe I'm missing proxy rax cheeses (used to hate them). Recently, in ASTL finals, Flash managed to execute a perfect bunker rush against Action's fast expo (which is standard). The game ended in 5 minutes, but the suspense was worth every second. It's a game that has so much rewatch value.

Sorry, don't mean to start a BW-SC2 debate. Just a recent analogy that came to mind (partly since there isn't many quick games in SC2 nowadays that I can think of).

No, I completely agree. I used to watch BW back when the players' names were Boxer and Yellow, so probably at a time when it wasn't very figured out compared to now. But the quick, hyper micro intense games is part of the unique allure of esports I feel. There are no periods, the game can finish at any nerve-wracking second. In early WoL, Tastosis used to scream "bit by bit!" when someone pulled the boys in an early allin.

Vindicare605

United States16126 Posts

September 20 2020 17:33 GMT

#1578

Business as usual for Trap. Knock out the Terran favorite just to get embarassed by the Zerg.

Xamo

Spain886 Posts

September 20 2020 17:33 GMT

#1579

On September 21 2020 02:29 Penev wrote:
yoink - tongue - death

So true, I hate the design of the retarded "kill" spell from the Viper.

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

September 20 2020 17:33 GMT

#1580

On September 21 2020 02:28 Luolis wrote:
at this point of the game you already know that Trap cant win.

Haha - miracles can happen. Soulkey should have never been able to come back against a 3-0 deficit against Innovation in that GSL finals (especially since Innovation was so dominant during that period)