EPT[DH Masters 2020 Fall] Season Finals - Page 78
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Swisslink
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Calliope
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On September 21 2020 02:07 RKC wrote: I'm a casual viewer. So I can't comment on actual balance too much. Of late, TvZ has been frustrating to watch. I'm actually pro-T in BW, but originally pro-Z in SC2 (I didn't like how efficient MMM were). But in past 1-2 years, seems like the pendulum has shifted. Everything T throws at Z can get countered with the same strat (Queens hold the fort, delay long enough for banes and mutas to pop). Even if a base dies, they can easily drone up and stabilise. It's just gotten really stale to watch. I am a zerg player too, but dia, nowhere close to a pro. My criticism of the game comes solely from a viewer's perspective and I what I believe hurts it the most is the thing you point out regarding the queen. Unless I'm watching live I skip all TvZs to the 5 min mark because watching queens defend hellions/reapers/BCs/banshees etc while the drone count reaches 70 is stale. This has gone on for 3 years and the game needs change lest it die completely. | ||
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darklycid
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aringadingding
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On September 21 2020 02:05 Elentos wrote: I think it's alright. I seem to remember his stream being live at times like this. Even though Trap has streamed that time it doesnt mean his focus is 100% at 2 am. In a game like this, and on the level these two players are, Trap is at an disadvantage. So, because of that and the fact that Reynor is Zerg (and insanely good as well ofc! ), I actually fear the finals will be a stomp. Maybe not short games, but a very clear Reynor victory is coming of for sure. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
On September 21 2020 02:16 darklycid wrote: Trap is so fucking afraid of a ling flood on this map xD Can you really blame him? | ||
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darklycid
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Waxangel
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On September 21 2020 02:14 Swisslink wrote: Last season Reynor lost to an infinite amount of glaive Adept all-ins of Trap, or am I confusing something? Nono you are right, they barely mentioned in the cast but they go full raynor here. | ||
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darklycid
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
On September 21 2020 02:17 darklycid wrote: I can see the ping on this oracle control. the whole tournament has had noticeable lag. No one wants to point it out but I've noticed it. | ||
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Argonauta
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
On September 21 2020 02:12 Vindicare605 wrote: There's an obvious difference when someone is being a hater and when someone is offering honest criticism. Putting a blanket label on ALL criticism doesn't help anybody it just shelters people that can't handle criticism. I don't know about Wardii, but I know Feardragon can tell the difference, he'll take that shit on the chin. If you're going to be a public personality then learning how to deal with Twitch chat is something you're just going to have to do. If you can't handle Twitch chat, then honestly what are you doing being a streamer in the first place? I don't necessarily disagree, but I also don't walk in their shoes so I think it's important to be understanding. It must be tiring to read a bunch of BS about yourself every single day and not be able to get away from it due to the nature of your job. | ||
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Waxangel
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kaykoose
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RKC
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On September 21 2020 02:14 Calliope wrote: I am a zerg player too, but dia, nowhere close to a pro. My criticism of the game comes solely from a viewer's perspective and I what I believe hurts it the most is the thing you point out regarding the queen. Unless I'm watching live I skip all TvZs to the 5 min mark because watching queens defend hellions/reapers/BCs/banshees etc while the drone count reaches 70 is stale. This has gone on for 3 years and the game needs change lest it die completely. The increased worker start in LOTV definitely is a contributing factor. I can't believe I'm missing proxy rax cheeses (used to hate them). Recently, in ASTL finals, Flash managed to execute a perfect bunker rush against Action's fast expo (which is standard). The game ended in 5 minutes, but the suspense was worth every second. It's a game that has so much rewatch value. Sorry, don't mean to start a BW-SC2 debate. Just a recent analogy that came to mind (partly since there isn't many quick games in SC2 nowadays that I can think of). | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
On September 21 2020 02:19 kaykoose wrote: I don't necessarily disagree, but I also don't walk in their shoes so I think it's important to be understanding. I did once. Not at this level so not at this level of scrutiny, but that's where my logic comes from. I know what it's like to deal with twitch chat criticism. It's not as bad as some think, and it's worse than others think. It all depends on how thick your skin is. | ||
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darklycid
3562 Posts
On September 21 2020 02:20 kaykoose wrote: Now back on topic. Protoss OP He says while reynor goes up to 63 drones and defends anyways  | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
On September 21 2020 02:20 darklycid wrote: He says while reynor goes up to 63 drones and defends anyways lmao | ||
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Argonauta
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darklycid
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On September 21 2020 02:22 Argonauta wrote: losing the oracles vs lurkers can be really painfull Disruptors dont need detection, big iq play | ||
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